Closing of Parish

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Hello, I go to church at a small country church. It is in a little town, and has about 60 congregation members for each Sunday Mass. Everyone in the church loves it. Our bishop has plans for building a new cathedral in our Diocese, there is already 1 cathedral and 8 parish churches in the Diocese city. He’s planning on closing 4 parishes in June 2008 and building a several million dollor cathedral. Now there are rumors that he is going to close our parish. Is there anything I can do? I always tell everyone, “Would Jesus really want a new big cathedral?” Ha. It’s true. Please pray for me and our parish.
 
I doubt that the finances for the new cathedral and for the parish are in any way overlapping.

Does your parish now have a priest of its own? If he serves more than one, how far apart are the parishes?

Are you a self-supporting parish or a mission receiving diocesan money for your day-to-day existence. If so, why? Are you in a region that has lost industry? Where population is declining? There is always a lot more to these situations than is directly apparent to the people who get hit with the bad news that their church is on the hit list.
 
I doubt that the finances for the new cathedral and for the parish are in any way overlapping.

Does your parish now have a priest of its own? If he serves more than one, how far apart are the parishes?

Are you a self-supporting parish or a mission receiving diocesan money for your day-to-day existence. If so, why? Are you in a region that has lost industry? Where population is declining? There is always a lot more to these situations than is directly apparent to the people who get hit with the bad news that their church is on the hit list.
We did have a priest of our own, then our parish merged with about the same size parish about 10 minutes down the road from ours. We just got a new pastor around November 2008 and he chose to live in the rectory at the other parish.

We are a self-supporting parish. It is in a small town, the population count is small, but not too small.
 
We did have a priest of our own, then our parish merged with about the same size parish about 10 minutes down the road from ours. We just got a new pastor around November 2008 and he chose to live in the rectory at the other parish.

We are a self-supporting parish. It is in a small town, the population count is small, but not too small.
Maybe there’s still hope for you then? Especially if the two parishes REALLY consolidate and present a vital fiscal picture that witnesses to the soundness of your commitment.

What would be your worship option if YOUR parish closes? Would you worship at the other church? Or is that one on the hit list also?
 
Maybe there’s still hope for you then? Especially if the two parishes REALLY consolidate and present a vital fiscal picture that witnesses to the soundness of your commitment.

What would be your worship option if YOUR parish closes? Would you worship at the other church? Or is that one on the hit list also?
You might laugh but I’m only twelve. Im our parish organist. I really love our parish, and I’m really catholic. I will probably become a priest when I grow up. The other church is on the “hit list” too.
 
You might laugh but I’m only twelve. Im our parish organist. I really love our parish, and I’m really catholic. I will probably become a priest when I grow up. The other church is on the “hit list” too.
Well, I think the Church should cut you a dispensation and ordain you right now. 👍
 
First of all, I would pray about the situation–most of all that the Lord’s will is done whatever that is, but also for your Bishop and those in the diocese that help him make suc decisions, and for your fellow parishoners–but I assume you have already done this.

It seems to me first you ought to determine whether this is just a rumour or if there some some truth to it there is a actually cause for concern. I would think the logical place to start would be your pastor. Just ask him. If he doesn’t know or you aren’t satisfied with the answer contact the diocese. You may not get a definitive answer, but its worth a try. There may be nothing to worry about.

If it turns out closing your parish is being considered, you may want to write your Bishop, of if there is another appropriate official in the diocese setting out logical arguments why your particular parish should not be closed. Try to think of the entire diocese and not just your local community. I am sure the diocese would not make such a decison lightly, but perhaps you bring to light something they have not considered, or at least not from every perspective.

Lastly, I would ask the Lord to give you the grace to accept the decison of the Bishop.

Other than than, just do what you can to support your parish.

P.S. I posted before I saw your age and that you are interested in the priesthood. In light of that, I would also suggest you discuss the matter with your parents, but you probably have done that as well.

I think its great that you are considering the priesthood! Keep in mind that if were eventually ordained as a priest, you would need to be obedient to your Bishop. This may be a good moment for you to relfect on that aspect of the priesthood. I am sure priests don’t agree with every pastoral decision of the Bishops (what parish they are assigned to, what parish must be closed when resources are tight, etc.), but they must support him nonetheless.
 
Hello, I go to church at a small country church. It is in a little town, and has about 60 congregation members for each Sunday Mass. Everyone in the church loves it. Our bishop has plans for building a new cathedral in our Diocese, there is already 1 cathedral and 8 parish churches in the Diocese city. He’s planning on closing 4 parishes in June 2008 and building a several million dollor cathedral. Now there are rumors that he is going to close our parish. Is there anything I can do? I always tell everyone, “Would Jesus really want a new big cathedral?” Ha. It’s true. Please pray for me and our parish.
Some people in the New Orleans area are going through having their parishes closed also. I guess the only thing you can do is pray for God’s will and the grace to accept God’s will, even though that may be difficult, I am afraid that we will be seeing more posts like these in the future as more and more parishes are forced to close down due to money and/or the shortage of priests. God Bless.
 
Diocese of Cleveland, Ohio.

I asked because I have not heard construction announced of a new one in any diocese of the United States.

The news is certainly exciting.
 
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musicmantg11:
We are a self-supporting parish. It is in a small town, the population count is small, but not too small.
It is always a sad occasion when a church closes.

Churches close for a number of reasons.
The most common are:
  • The congregation is hellbent on destroying itself;
  • Economics — the congregation is not supporting itself financially;
  • Membership decline: The congregation is not sustaining itself in terms of new members;
Taking these in order:
  • Self-destructing congregations: These are congregations whose members practice all that Lashon Hara prohibits. The most effective way to turn this around is strong preaching from the pulpit, accompanied by shunning the instigators of the evil talk. Total transparency, and full disclosure of everything, is the most effective preventative measure. (FWIW, this also is one of the leading causes for the decline and closure on secular organizations.)
Take a look at the congregation, and try to determine if it does any self-destructive behaviour. How much dissent is there in the congregation? How much evil talk occurs? Who does the evil talk? Are there any antagonists in the congregation? If so, how are they being handled?

( Kenneth C Haugk: Antagonists in The Church is pretty useful to study about how antagonists operate. Most evil talkers are nothing more than low scale antagonists. Unfortunately, numbers can overwhelm.)
  • Economics: It costs money to keep a church open. The expenses can range from the obvious (candles, the sacraments) to the less obvious (heat, electricity, copyright royalty payments) to the unexpected (building maintainance, building repairs.). A small church may be able to make ends meet, only to crash because of an unexpected event — a major financial contributor dies, a mandatory building repair that they can not afford, a utility bill that is much higher than anticipated;
You don’t give the age of the church building, but if it is old, it might need repairs that the congregation can’t afford.

If possible, get the financial books of the congregation for the last five years, and see how well it is doing. Look at the changes in income over the five years. Then look at the changes in expenses in the last five years. It is entirely possible that income has been flat, with expenses going up, because of inflation.

Take a good look at what money is being spent on, and consider whether or not the same result can be achieved at less financial cost.
  • Membership decline: With 60 people in attendance at a service every morning, your church is slightly below the average (mode) of religious institutions in the US. (The mode is 80.) I don’t remember the specific figures for the Catholic Church. 😦
If the average attendance at a service does not increase by 5% per year, the church is losing members. If you can obtain the church records for the last decade, try to determine the number of attendees at a service on a typical Sunday, Easter, Christmas, and the other Holy Days of Obligation. Plot a graph to see if those figures trend up, down, or remain flat. Compare that graph with the change in local population over those years.

Regardless of what the trend is, consider how to increase the average attendance to 100 on a “normal” Sunday.

Once you have all that data, look at it carefully.
  • Do the numbers support keeping the parish open? If so, write the letter to your Bishop, asking that it stay open, and use those numbers to support your opinion;
  • If the numbers do not support keeping the parish open, then you need to look at what the congregation can change, so that the parish can stay open. Then write the Bishop, citing the numbers, and asking for the parish to stay open, if the congregation can make these changes;
What I’ve outlined here is hard work for anybody. The major reason I laid it out, is because you said you wanted to be a priest. As such, you will run into similar situations in the future. Consider this training for those future situations.

xan

jonathon
 
Steubenville was going to, (and in a very similar situation to the OP), but called it off three years into the project. (no new plans announced).
I did some digging and found out that Madison, WI is as well. An arsonist burnt the old one down.
 
I am a native New Orleanian. I am the first person in my family on either side to have moved from New Orleans since the early 1800s and I didn’t move far. The Archdiocese is closing churches left, right, and sideways. Many of them are historic churches which have been in existence for over 150 years - churches in which my ancestors were baptized, made their First Communions, etc.

Closing parishes is nothing new. My mother’s family’s Irish parish in New Orleans (St. Alphonsus) has been closed for years - it is now an Irish cultural center yet my parents were married there and I served at my grandmother’s and great-aunt’s funeral before the parish was closed as well as my cousin’s marriage.

It is very painful - there is no getting around it. My father’s family’s parishes (two of them) will be hit by this current round of closures. The fact remains that the Archdiocese took a terrible hit with Katrina. In August it will be three years since Katrina and a third of the population of New Orleans can’t move home or have settled elsewhere (like here). It is indeed a shame that 150 year old churches are being closed but within the mix of closures are parishes that split off from the parish in which I was raised in Kenner and I can remember the formation of that parish which will be closed.

I grieve with my fellow New Orleanians to see old parishes closed but I do believe that the Archdiocese did what it could and that the decisions are based upon pragmatism.

My diocese (Baton Rouge) has not created a new parish since 1976. The diocese just bought land to the north of me in preparation for the formation of a new parish. We have seen an explosion of subdivisions in the last three years in my neighborhood and a lot of the evacuees from New Orleans have decided to settle here rather than return home. (It tickles me to no end to hear “Y’at” spoken in Winn Dixie 😃 )

Our whole region was profoundly and deeply affected by Katrina and Rita. The Archdiocese is simply doing what it has to do. No more; no less. I have no doubt in my mind that if St. Louis Cathedral had been flooded (which was a distinct possiblity) we the people of Louisiana (not just the Archdiocese) would have moved heaven and earth to save our ancestral mother church.

We’ve been hit - badly. I support the Archdiocese. It’s terrible - no doubt about it but it needs to be done.
 
We did have a priest of our own, then our parish merged with about the same size parish about 10 minutes down the road from ours. We just got a new pastor around November 2008 and he chose to live in the rectory at the other parish.

We are a self-supporting parish. It is in a small town, the population count is small, but not too small.
You are twelve years old? Are you on your parishes finance council? You have about 60 congregation members and are self supporting with no help from your diocese? Your pastor chose to live in another rectory, what condition is the rectory in that your parish owns? Good questions to ask your self, there are many things about keeping parishes open that the normal joe in the pew doesn’t take into account. I am from a closed, reconsolidated parish and was also a chairperson of our capital campaign to raise funds to consolidate our parish buildings, remodeling etc. Many people still can’t comprehand the “why” of closing one parish and spending money on building another, I was one of them until I got involved in the process and have been “informed”. I know it’s sad, and difficult but the decision to close a parish is very long and prayerfully thought out. God Bless you, and keep being interested.
 
You are twelve years old? Are you on your parishes finance council? You have about 60 congregation members and are self supporting with no help from your diocese? Your pastor chose to live in another rectory, what condition is the rectory in that your parish owns? Good questions to ask your self, there are many things about keeping parishes open that the normal joe in the pew doesn’t take into account. I am from a closed, reconsolidated parish and was also a chairperson of our capital campaign to raise funds to consolidate our parish buildings, remodeling etc. Many people still can’t comprehand the “why” of closing one parish and spending money on building another, I was one of them until I got involved in the process and have been “informed”. I know it’s sad, and difficult but the decision to close a parish is very long and prayerfully thought out. God Bless you, and keep being interested.
Amen.

People are amazingly naive about the financial ins-and-outs of running a parish. The people who howl the loudest are often the ones who are over their heads in personal debt, give $5 a week, if that, to the parish, and expect the church to “be there” for free fr their every whim and wish.

End of rant. And that was not directed to the OP.
 
Is it sad to know that some parishes closed in USA. In my country, we need to open more parishes but the problem is that it’s difficult to get approval from government ( although the donation have been collected)
 
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