Clowns Clowns Clowns!!!!!!!!

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I hate to name call, but some of these radical “traditionalists”(I really dont consider them real traditionalists) are clowns. They make the same mistake over and over again and dont seem to ever retract thier erroneous positions.

Example: I dont know how many times I have seen “traditionalists” on this very forum say that the Traditional Latin Mass could never be lawfully revoked. I mean, I love the Tridentine Mass very much, but this might be the stupidest thing I have ever heard. I mean the Rite of Mass is not a teaching or dogma. It isnt something that has been around since the begginning of the Catholic church, so it is a discipline. The Pope, according to Vatican I, is the supreme pastor in matters of discipline as well as doctrine, so if he wanted he could say “no more latin,” “no more prayers at the foot of the altar,” “no more Our Father at Mass” etc—It is discipline. I know they love to quote Pius V and Quo Primum. That still doesnt change the fact that the rite of mass is a discipline, and therefore can be revoked any time the Pope wants. You may not agree, but you have to obey. Please stop the madness. Stop saying things like “It can never be revoked.”
 
terillmorris said:
I hate to name call, but some of these radical “traditionalists”(I really dont consider them real traditionalists) are clowns. They make the same mistake over and over again and dont seem to ever retract thier erroneous positions.

Example: I dont know how many times I have seen “traditionalists” on this very forum say that the Traditional Latin Mass could never be lawfully revoked. I mean, I love the Tridentine Mass very much, but this might be the stupidest thing I have ever heard. I mean the Rite of Mass is not a teaching or dogma. It isnt something that has been around since the begginning of the Catholic church, so it is a discipline. The Pope, according to Vatican I, is the supreme pastor in matters of discipline as well as doctrine, so if he wanted he could say “no more latin,” “no more prayers at the foot of the altar,” “no more Our Father at Mass” etc—It is discipline. I know they love to quote Pius V and Quo Primum. That still doesnt change the fact that the rite of mass is a discipline, and therefore can be revoked any time the Pope wants. You may not agree, but you have to obey. Please stop the madness. Stop saying things like “It can never be revoked.”
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You forgot to look right there in your own back yard…the Novus Ordo…that’s where the clowns are:
youtube.com/watch?v=NsC4wRPybpA
 
terillmorris said:
Stop saying things like “It can never be revoked.”
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The Apostolic Constitution
“Quo Primum”

Given by His Holiness St. Pius V
July 14, 1570

…Furthermore, by these presents and by virtue of Our Apostolic authority, We give and grant in perpetuity that for the singing or reading of Mass in any church whatsoever this Missal may be followed absolutely, without any scruple of conscience or fear of incurring any penalty, judgment or censure, and may be freely and lawfully used. Nor shall bishops, administrators, canons, chaplains and other secular priests, or religious of whatsoever Order or by whatsoever title designated, be obliged to celebrate Mass otherwise than enjoined by Us. We likewise order and declare that no one whosoever shall be forced or coerced into altering this Missal; and this present Constitution can never be revoked or modified, but shall forever remain valid and have the force of law, notwithstanding previous constitutions or edicts of provincial or synodal councils, and notwithstanding the usage of the churches aforesaid established by very long and even immemorial prescription, saving only usage of more than two hundred years…

But, since it would be difficult for this present Constitution to be transmitted to all parts of the world and to come to the notice of all concerned simultaneously, We direct that it be, as usual, posted and published at the doors of the Basilica of the Prince of the Apostles, at those of the Apostolic Chancery, and at the end of the Campo de’Fiori; moreover We direct that printed copies of the same, signed by a notary public and authenticated with the seal of an ecclesiastical dignitary, shall possess the same unqualified and indubitable validity everywhere and in every country that would attend the display there of Our present text… Accordingly, no one whosoever is permitted to infringe or rashly contravene this notice of Our permission, statute, ordinance, command, direction, grant, indult, declaration, will, decree and prohibition. Should any person venture to do so, let him understand that he will incur the wrath of Almighty God and of the blessed Apostles Peter and Paul.

Given at St. Peter’s, Rome, in the year of Our Lord’s Incarnation, one thousand five hundred and seventy, on the fourteenth day of July of the fifth year of Our Pontificate.

H. Cumin Caesar Glorierius

See entire text here: fisheaters.com/quoprimum.html
 
terillmorris said:
STRAW MAN ARGUMENT–GO DEFEND LEFEBVRE–YA IT WAS A STATE OF EMERGENCY SO HE COULD DO WHATEVER HE WANTED–GIVE ME A BREAK!!!
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The straw man argument exists within the modernist upheaval of our faith…go defend the modernists…ya, they wanted to change with the “times” so they could do whatever they wanted even though it wasn’t doctrine-give ME a break!!!
 
piouswoman said:
The Apostolic Constitution
“Quo Primum”

Given by His Holiness St. Pius V
July 14, 1570

…Furthermore, by these presents and by virtue of Our Apostolic authority, We give and grant in perpetuity that for the singing or reading of Mass in any church whatsoever this Missal may be followed absolutely, without any scruple of conscience or fear of incurring any penalty, judgment or censure, and may be freely and lawfully used. Nor shall bishops, administrators, canons, chaplains and other secular priests, or religious of whatsoever Order or by whatsoever title designated, be obliged to celebrate Mass otherwise than enjoined by Us. We likewise order and declare that no one whosoever shall be forced or coerced into altering this Missal; and this present Constitution can never be revoked or modified, but shall forever remain valid and have the force of law, notwithstanding previous constitutions or edicts of provincial or synodal councils, and notwithstanding the usage of the churches aforesaid established by very long and even immemorial prescription, saving only usage of more than two hundred years…

But, since it would be difficult for this present Constitution to be transmitted to all parts of the world and to come to the notice of all concerned simultaneously, We direct that it be, as usual, posted and published at the doors of the Basilica of the Prince of the Apostles, at those of the Apostolic Chancery, and at the end of the Campo de’Fiori; moreover We direct that printed copies of the same, signed by a notary public and authenticated with the seal of an ecclesiastical dignitary, shall possess the same unqualified and indubitable validity everywhere and in every country that would attend the display there of Our present text… Accordingly, no one whosoever is permitted to infringe or rashly contravene this notice of Our permission, statute, ordinance, command, direction, grant, indult, declaration, will, decree and prohibition. Should any person venture to do so, let him understand that he will incur the wrath of Almighty God and of the blessed Apostles Peter and Paul.

Given at St. Peter’s, Rome, in the year of Our Lord’s Incarnation, one thousand five hundred and seventy, on the fourteenth day of July of the fifth year of Our Pontificate.

H. Cumin Caesar Glorierius

See entire text here: fisheaters.com/quoprimum.html
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I dont think Pius V meant wehat you say he did, but if he did he was WRONG!!! IT IS A DISCIPLINE NOT A DOGMA—SORRY!!!
 
terillmorris said:
I dont think Pius V meant wehat you say he did, but if he did he was WRONG!!! IT IS A DISCIPLINE NOT A DOGMA—SORRY!!!
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You got owned in 6 posts and yet you continue to espouse the same claim with which you started this thread.

Even though terrill got his lunch handed to him, I see this thread reaching at least 50 posts.

Oh well

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terillmorris said:
I hate to name call, but some of these radical “traditionalists”(I really dont consider them real traditionalists) are clowns. They make the same mistake over and over again and dont seem to ever retract thier erroneous positions.

Example: I dont know how many times I have seen “traditionalists” on this very forum say that the Traditional Latin Mass could never be lawfully revoked. I mean, I love the Tridentine Mass very much, but this might be the stupidest thing I have ever heard. I mean the Rite of Mass is not a teaching or dogma. It isnt something that has been around since the begginning of the Catholic church, so it is a discipline. The Pope, according to Vatican I, is the supreme pastor in matters of discipline as well as doctrine, so if he wanted he could say “no more latin,” “no more prayers at the foot of the altar,” “no more Our Father at Mass” etc—It is discipline. I know they love to quote Pius V and Quo Primum. That still doesnt change the fact that the rite of mass is a discipline, and therefore can be revoked any time the Pope wants. You may not agree, but you have to obey. Please stop the madness. Stop saying things like “It can never be revoked.”
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To be rather blunt I would suggest that a material number of those who label themselves as “traditionalists” lack the education and critical thinking ability to be uniform in their thought-making processes. Often times there are two standards – for themselves and everyone else.

While my sample size is admittedly small I would bet dollars to donuts that the typical self-described “traditionalist” has completed fewer years of formal education on average and has studied less about the faith than those they attack. Further, often times (as was done here) a question is answered not with facts or logic, but with emotion. Another indicator of the above…
 
terillmorris said:
I hate to name call, but some of these radical “traditionalists”(I really dont consider them real traditionalists) are clowns. They make the same mistake over and over again and dont seem to ever retract thier erroneous positions…I dont know how many times I have seen “traditionalists” on this very forum say that the Traditional Latin Mass could never be lawfully revoked…Stop saying things like “It can never be revoked.”
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You seem to be running a a little behind the curve kiddo,
It is, therefore, permissible to celebrate the Sacrifice of the Mass following the typical edition of the Roman Missal promulgated by Bl. John XXIII in 1962 and never abrogated, as an extraordinary form of the Liturgy of the Church.
(Pope Benedict XVI, , September 7, 2007)
Whether or not the TLM could be lawfully “revoked” is now an irrelevant question, since Pope Benedict has clearly stated what traditional folks knew all along.

Do please try to keep up.

DD
 
Spiller said:
While my sample size is admittedly small I would bet dollars to donuts that the typical self-described “traditionalist” has completed fewer years of formal education on average and has studied less about the faith than those they attack…
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I have a master’s degree and those that I talk to at the EF have at least a bachelor’s and some have degrees in theology. Your sample size is small because the number of trads can’t compare with the numbers who have been trained/conditioned in modernistic religious practices.
 
That poor clown video must be worn out by now. If we’re going to keep pounding on “clown Masses”, can’t we at least find some new material?

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piouswoman said:
The Apostolic Constitution
“Quo Primum”

Given by His Holiness St. Pius V
July 14, 1570

…Furthermore, by these presents and by virtue of Our Apostolic authority, We give and grant in perpetuity that for the singing or reading of Mass in any church whatsoever this Missal may be followed absolutely, without any scruple of conscience or fear of incurring any penalty, judgment or censure, and may be freely and lawfully used. Nor shall bishops, administrators, canons, chaplains and other secular priests, or religious of whatsoever Order or by whatsoever title designated, be obliged to celebrate Mass otherwise than enjoined by Us. We likewise order and declare that no one whosoever shall be forced or coerced into altering this Missal; and this present Constitution can never be revoked or modified, but shall forever remain valid and have the force of law, notwithstanding previous constitutions or edicts of provincial or synodal councils, and notwithstanding the usage of the churches aforesaid established by very long and even immemorial prescription, saving only usage of more than two hundred years…

But, since it would be difficult for this present Constitution to be transmitted to all parts of the world and to come to the notice of all concerned simultaneously, We direct that it be, as usual, posted and published at the doors of the Basilica of the Prince of the Apostles, at those of the Apostolic Chancery, and at the end of the Campo de’Fiori; moreover We direct that printed copies of the same, signed by a notary public and authenticated with the seal of an ecclesiastical dignitary, shall possess the same unqualified and indubitable validity everywhere and in every country that would attend the display there of Our present text… Accordingly, no one whosoever is permitted to infringe or rashly contravene this notice of Our permission, statute, ordinance, command, direction, grant, indult, declaration, will, decree and prohibition. Should any person venture to do so, let him understand that he will incur the wrath of Almighty God and of the blessed Apostles Peter and Paul.

Given at St. Peter’s, Rome, in the year of Our Lord’s Incarnation, one thousand five hundred and seventy, on the fourteenth day of July of the fifth year of Our Pontificate.

H. Cumin Caesar Glorierius

See entire text here: fisheaters.com/quoprimum.html
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Quo Primum is not an infallible pronouncement of a revealed truth, but a disciplinary document. It issued a command to celebrate mass according to a certain missal. Disciplinary laws are subject to the pope’s authority. All popes have equal authority, so a pope can alter, dispense from, or abrogate a previous pope’s disciplinary laws.

Quo Primum uses strong language to indicate that everyone under the pope, no matter what rank, was bound to obey this document, which had no “expiration date”. If you are familiar with such documents, you will see that he was not intending to bind future popes, as some people today mistakenly think. Phrases such “in perpetuity” mean that the document is valid indefinitely, that is, it will never expire on its own. This does not prevent a future pope from altering or abrogating it, however.

For those who are still skeptical, they should look at the papal bull Quod a Vobis, also issued by Pope Pius V. It used the same type of strong language to order clergy to use the revised breviary. It issued the same condemnations to those who refused. But Pope Pius X abrogated this document with Divino Afflatu, when he promulgated a new breviary.

Some people think that Quo Primum still binds, and that’s why Pope Benedict said that the TLM was never abrogated. That’s incorrect - the actual document Quo Primum was abrogated by Pope Paul VI, but not the mass itself. He did not abrogate the traditional mass, he just put restrictions on its use when he promulgated the new mass - restrictions later lifted by Pope Benedict.
 
Duke_of_Mantua said:
You got owned in 6 posts and yet you continue to espouse the same claim with which you started this thread.

Even though terrill got his lunch handed to him, I see this thread reaching at least 50 posts.

Oh well

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Owned? What are you talking about? The Tridentine rite of Mass is not a dogma therefore the Pope can suppress or change it anytime he wants. I dont care what Pius V said.
 
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