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I’m happy to see adult catholics attending our parish bible study twice a week. We always have much to learn about our faith. Many adult catholics that have received their sacraments of initiation, especially at a younger age think that there is nothing more to learn about their faith. Their knowledge and understanding of the catholic faith has not changed since their catechism days. Would this explain why many are non-practicing? Well, even practicing catholics can use some brushing up as well.
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I’m happy to see adult catholics attending our parish bible study twice a week. We always have much to learn about our faith. Many adult catholics that have received their sacraments of initiation, especially at a younger age think that there is nothing more to learn about their faith. Their knowledge and understanding of the catholic faith has not changed since their catechism days. Would this explain why many are non-practicing? Well, even practicing catholics can use some brushing up as well.
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Most cradle Catholics have the Catholic Culture in them, but don’t have faith.

They follow the religion minimally out of a sense of conformity.

They have no relationship with Jesus Christ and have never experienced him in their life.

It’s why they’re cold spiritually and trust me, you won’t move them one way or another.

For many, the Church provides a level of social activity. In fact, many treat the sacraments of Baptism, First Communion and Confirmation of their children, as social events.

I saw it all the time when I was teaching Confirmation classes to high-school kids, and was coordinator of the Confirmation program for 150 kids in my last parish.

We ended up with kids who handn’t been to CCD since First Communion and some who had never made a Confession, because the parish had First Penance after First Communion. Once the kid received First Communion, we didn’t see them back until Confirmation age, some nine years later.

Jim
 
Most cradle Catholics have the Catholic Culture in them, but don’t have faith.

They follow the religion minimally out of a sense of conformity.

They have no relationship with Jesus Christ and have never experienced him in their life.

It’s why they’re cold spiritually and trust me, you won’t move them one way or another.

For many, the Church provides a level of social activity. In fact, many treat the sacraments of Baptism, First Communion and Confirmation of their children, as social events.

I saw it all the time when I was teaching Confirmation classes to high-school kids, and was coordinator of the Confirmation program for 150 kids in my last parish.

We ended up with kids who handn’t been to CCD since First Communion and some who had never made a Confession, because the parish had First Penance after First Communion. Once the kid received First Communion, we didn’t see them back until Confirmation age, some nine years later.

Jim
This is the sad truth…😦
 
Most cradle Catholics have the Catholic Culture in them, but don’t have faith.

They follow the religion minimally out of a sense of conformity.

They have no relationship with Jesus Christ and have never experienced him in their life.

It’s why they’re cold spiritually and trust me, you won’t move them one way or another.

For many, the Church provides a level of social activity. In fact, many treat the sacraments of Baptism, First Communion and Confirmation of their children, as social events.

I saw it all the time when I was teaching Confirmation classes to high-school kids, and was coordinator of the Confirmation program for 150 kids in my last parish.

We ended up with kids who handn’t been to CCD since First Communion and some who had never made a Confession, because the parish had First Penance after First Communion. Once the kid received First Communion, we didn’t see them back until Confirmation age, some nine years later.

Jim
“Cultural Catholics” is what someone termed this. A lot of people in Mexico have no knowledge of our faith at all, it’s just what Mexicans are. Catholic enough to go to church, get their sacraments (sometimes not confirmation), have a quincenera (should be a tilde over the n), and get married in the Church. But there is no part of their lives that is truly informed by their faith. Same as a lot of American Catholics. Unfortunately.
 
“Cultural Catholics” is what someone termed this. A lot of people in Mexico have no knowledge of our faith at all, it’s just what Mexicans are. Catholic enough to go to church, get their sacraments (sometimes not confirmation), have a quincenera (should be a tilde over the n), and get married in the Church. But there is no part of their lives that is truly informed by their faith. Same as a lot of American Catholics. Unfortunately.
Probably true for most Christians throughout the world, no matter what denomination. Protestants complain about the same thing. Catholics don’t hold the prize in this area.
 
Their knowledge and understanding of the catholic faith has not changed since their catechism days. Would this explain why many are non-practicing?
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The short answer is no that would not explain it.
 
Once the kid received First Communion, we didn’t see them back until Confirmation age, some nine years later.

Jim
I know it’s longer now in places such as 9 yrs. Was less than 3 and a half between mine and I received 1st Communion at 7.
 
What would your long answer be?
You know after I reread the question to which I gave my short answer, I got to thinking actually their knowledge and understanding along with their experiences as well as their beliefs as they grew older probably did change which may have led them to become non practicing.
 
I’m happy to see adult catholics attending our parish bible study twice a week. We always have much to learn about our faith. Many adult catholics that have received their sacraments of initiation, especially at a younger age think that there is nothing more to learn about their faith. Their knowledge and understanding of the catholic faith has not changed since their catechism days. Would this explain why many are non-practicing? Well, even practicing catholics can use some brushing up as well.
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Methinks if we don’t start asking, seeking, and knocking at some point, for ourselves, then we never really receive, in spite of the education we were given early on, and despite the fact that we may already think we know whatever there is to know about the faith. God is pleased by faith and He rewards it -and every way in which we seek Him is both a response to grace He’s drawing us with and an expression of whatever level of faith we have at the time.
 
“Cultural Catholics” is what someone termed this. A lot of people in Mexico have no knowledge of our faith at all, it’s just what Mexicans are. Catholic enough to go to church, get their sacraments (sometimes not confirmation), have a quincenera (should be a tilde over the n), and get married in the Church. But there is no part of their lives that is truly informed by their faith. Same as a lot of American Catholics. Unfortunately.
It’s also why many are finding faith in Evangelical/Pentecostal Religions.

However, my belief is that they are finding faith in Jesus Christ first, and eventually will grown back to the Catholic faith.

When Christ came into my life over 37 years ago, I returned to the Church via the Charismatic movement.

When my priest friend told me and my wife, that if we grow spiritually, we’ll eventually grow away from the Charismatic movement. I didn’t know at the time, he was talking about being drawn toward contemplation. He was right, God bless his soul.

Same will happen with many of the Mexicans who are currently expressing their faith in Jesus Christ, through the Evangelical denominations.

Jim
 
Here is my POV to your question as one of those 'clueless catholics".

It is due to lack of proper education. Lack of welcome. Lack of understanding. It depends on the individuals willingness to not only listen but hear. It’s self-centeredness for some. Sometimes it’s due to the community, or lack of community. I’ve been to many places where I was not welcome to be there, so I kept looking. I was the outsider. My questions were answered condescendingly, impatiently. I have experienced it on message boards as well. Yes, perhaps I should know the answer, but I don’t. When you get into a parish where you aren’t comfortable, you don’t grow, you aren’t likely to stay either, or if you do, you do the minimum required and don’t really grow.

Maybe this will help you understand where I have come from.

I grew up in a Catholic community. Strongly Catholic. However that was my grandma’s generation. When I went to Mass, 9 times out of of 10 it was with my Grandma, not my parents. The only times I went with my mom after I was about 9, was Christmas and Easter. I went to a Catholic school, and the instruction there was minimal. Sure, we knew some of the prayers, but we weren’t an overly faith-filled school, although the Jr/Sr high was literally accrose the street from the parish, we went 2x a year. It was the only Catholic school, very small town. My parents to this day, as far as I know are non-practicing. My mom,I think is feeling the call now that I’ve gone back, but she hasn’t asked anything at this point, so i don’t push. I speak of our experiences here, and at their parish when I go.

Therefore, due to my education, or lack there, I was non-practicing for many many years, which I regret the lost time immensely. I felt a call back for a long time, but at that point, I realized I’d lived a life so filled with regrets, mistakes, my lack of knowledge kept me from coming back. I didn’t think I could go back, that I ever could reconcile myself with the church. That kept me away even longer. Probably an extra 16 years.

I look at the current education in our Catholic schools, and unless you have a teacher who is very comfortable with their faith and willing to go beyond and above what the provincial curricula states, the kids aren’t being educated. If you are one of those faith filled teachers, the kids dislike you, the parents challenge you. The parents also lack the fundamentals to teach at home, despite the Church considering the parents the primary educators, you can’t teach what you don’t know.

I am pretty much clueless compared to so many here, and at the parish but I am willing to seek answers. I’m efficient at research. But quite shy to ask questions, I’ve been shot down SO many times. I can honestly say, if I hadn’t been corresponding with Fr. Barron, I wouldn’t be where I am today. I emailed him one morning, desperately seeking answers, but really not sure where to turn. He answered me the same day, much to my surprise. He answered many scary questions for me, he was so kind and warm, that with his gentle, yet enthusiastic, encouragement, I made an appointment at the local parish. I am so thankful to him, without his reply that day, I’d still be on the edge of a precipice of depression, trying to do it all myself. I am thankfully part of a very loving, non-judgmental and welcoming parish. It is due to the clergy and the congregants that I am there every single Sunday(except when I’m out of town, and then I am at another parish). I am being taught at each Mass I attend, I get to as many daily masses as I can accommodate with our family schedule. My family has been welcomed. They are open to my questions when i feel brave enough to ask. No one gets frustrated with me, or makes me feel clueless, or that I should already know this. I have been treated kindly, respectfully and encouragingly. This is likely why they are a congregation of 5000. It is really something else, when you are leaving, Fr looks at you and his eyes light up moves forward to greet you, calls you by name to say hello, asks how you are doing. You feel wanted there. How they remember me, i have NO idea, I am one of 5000 and a wallflower. But I know that it’s where i am supposed to be.

Fr. Michael gave a homily earlier this year. There is a change needed. How we evangelize needs to change, to fit society. It’s not about changing it’s teachings, doctrines or rites, but how we teach. He felt we need to evangelize about beauty. The beauty of the faith, the church, God, Jesus, Mary and it’s people. Teach about all the “Yeses” given by the Catholic church, don’t focus on the No. People get hung up on the “no” There are so many beautiful YES things about the Catholic Faith, but people simply don’t know about. There is no beauty to be seen if you are made to feel unwanted made to feel ignorant, treated with disdain or condescendingly ,. He said it’s the beauty of love. Love your neighbor, love your enemy, love yourself and love God. The first time i walked into the parish for Mass, I was greeted by 3 people. In opening prayers, all visiting parishioners were welcomed, if you were close enough to the front, Fr. Jim introduced himself to you personally. After mass, he encourages everyone to introduce themselves to some one they haven’t met before. This is more than just a Mass, it’s community, it’s family, and it’s the Body of Christ . This is the way to evangelize, by being the people of the Church, not self-righteous, judgmental, show that it’s beautiful home to be and a wonderful people to be part of. I have to say I agree with Fr. Michael. If you can get them in the door with a gentleness of spirit, the rest should follow.

The parish needs to initiate programs for the newly returned. For those new in their faith, those actually venturing to move forward and grow in their faith. It’s intimidating to look at what some of the programs are, or walk in on an advanced program beyond your comprehension at the place you are in your faith formation because you had no idea it was. If there is a new program in the bulletin to sign up for, encourage a full description, or refer to the parish website for more information. If there isn’t enough interest in the parish, share information on where to go to learn more. We have online classes through a local college available.

Many assume what you learn in school or CCD is the end of your learning. You have barely scratched the surface at that point, and that needs to be known, that you have only begun your journey. For some it’s obvious, but others aren’t just that curious, or intuitive.

I know, I’m new here, so take it for what it is. But this has been my personal experience.
 
I have been contemplating the same subject in the OP as of late. As a convert, I am both amazed and disappointed of how many “Cradle Catholics” either do not know about their faith or view it as something that they “just do on Sunday”.

As others have pointed out, I think that this is a problem with adult catechesis. As best as I can tell, this is a recent phenomenon; while I don’t know much about the days of pre-Vatican 2, I can say that my understanding of the faith is more along the lines my grandmother-in-law (raised before V2) than my mother-in-law or wife (both raised after V2). I’m not sure what V2 changed in terms of the way we educate the laity, but there was something lost that needs to be rekindled. Of course, I’m speaking from a “focus group of one”, but many postings I’ve seen on CAF seem to point to the same idea.

I don’t know what the fix is. I think a step in the right direction would be to require parents to attend some type of “raising your child Catholic” class (similar in format to RCIA, but perhaps shorter) prior to allowing their child to be christened, receiving first communion, and confirmation. If nothing else, this would help the Church ensure that parent’s have the minimum baseline of knowledge needed to fulfill their roles as the primary teachers of the next generation.

God bless,
Dean
 
Here is my POV to your question as one of those 'clueless catholics".

It is due to lack of proper education. Lack of welcome. Lack of understanding. It depends on the individuals willingness to not only listen but hear. It’s self-centeredness for some. Sometimes it’s due to the community, or lack of community. I’ve been to many places where I was not welcome to be there, so I kept looking. I was the outsider. My questions were answered condescendingly, impatiently. I have experienced it on message boards as well. Yes, perhaps I should know the answer, but I don’t. When you get into a parish where you aren’t comfortable, you don’t grow, you aren’t likely to stay either, or if you do, you do the minimum required and don’t really grow.

Maybe this will help you understand where I have come from.

I grew up in a Catholic community. Strongly Catholic. However that was my grandma’s generation. When I went to Mass, 9 times out of of 10 it was with my Grandma, not my parents. The only times I went with my mom after I was about 9, was Christmas and Easter. I went to a Catholic school, and the instruction there was minimal. Sure, we knew some of the prayers, but we weren’t an overly faith-filled school, although the Jr/Sr high was literally accrose the street from the parish, we went 2x a year. It was the only Catholic school, very small town. My parents to this day, as far as I know are non-practicing. My mom,I think is feeling the call now that I’ve gone back, but she hasn’t asked anything at this point, so i don’t push. I speak of our experiences here, and at their parish when I go.

Therefore, due to my education, or lack there, I was non-practicing for many many years, which I regret the lost time immensely. I felt a call back for a long time, but at that point, I realized I’d lived a life so filled with regrets, mistakes, my lack of knowledge kept me from coming back. I didn’t think I could go back, that I ever could reconcile myself with the church. That kept me away even longer. Probably an extra 16 years.

I look at the current education in our Catholic schools, and unless you have a teacher who is very comfortable with their faith and willing to go beyond and above what the provincial curricula states, the kids aren’t being educated. If you are one of those faith filled teachers, the kids dislike you, the parents challenge you. The parents also lack the fundamentals to teach at home, despite the Church considering the parents the primary educators, you can’t teach what you don’t know.

I am pretty much clueless compared to so many here, and at the parish but I am willing to seek answers. I’m efficient at research. But quite shy to ask questions, I’ve been shot down SO many times. I can honestly say, if I hadn’t been corresponding with Fr. Barron, I wouldn’t be where I am today. I emailed him one morning, desperately seeking answers, but really not sure where to turn. He answered me the same day, much to my surprise. He answered many scary questions for me, he was so kind and warm, that with his gentle, yet enthusiastic, encouragement, I made an appointment at the local parish. I am so thankful to him, without his reply that day, I’d still be on the edge of a precipice of depression, trying to do it all myself. I am thankfully part of a very loving, non-judgmental and welcoming parish. It is due to the clergy and the congregants that I am there every single Sunday(except when I’m out of town, and then I am at another parish). I am being taught at each Mass I attend, I get to as many daily masses as I can accommodate with our family schedule. My family has been welcomed. They are open to my questions when i feel brave enough to ask. No one gets frustrated with me, or makes me feel clueless, or that I should already know this. I have been treated kindly, respectfully and encouragingly. This is likely why they are a congregation of 5000. It is really something else, when you are leaving, Fr looks at you and his eyes light up moves forward to greet you, calls you by name to say hello, asks how you are doing. You feel wanted there. How they remember me, i have NO idea, I am one of 5000 and a wallflower. But I know that it’s where i am supposed to be.

Fr. Michael gave a homily earlier this year. There is a change needed. How we evangelize needs to change, to fit society. It’s not about changing it’s teachings, doctrines or rites, but how we teach. He felt we need to evangelize about beauty. The beauty of the faith, the church, God, Jesus, Mary and it’s people. Teach about all the “Yeses” given by the Catholic church, don’t focus on the No. People get hung up on the “no” There are so many beautiful YES things about the Catholic Faith, but people simply don’t know about. There is no beauty to be seen if you are made to feel unwanted made to feel ignorant, treated with disdain or condescendingly ,. He said it’s the beauty of love. Love your neighbor, love your enemy, love yourself and love God. The first time i walked into the parish for Mass, I was greeted by 3 people. In opening prayers, all visiting parishioners were welcomed, if you were close enough to the front, Fr. Jim introduced himself to you personally. After mass, he encourages everyone to introduce themselves to some one they haven’t met before. This is more than just a Mass, it’s community, it’s family, and it’s the Body of Christ . This is the way to evangelize, by being the people of the Church, not self-righteous, judgmental, show that it’s beautiful home to be and a wonderful people to be part of. I have to say I agree with Fr. Michael. If you can get them in the door with a gentleness of spirit, the rest should follow.

The parish needs to initiate programs for the newly returned. For those new in their faith, those actually venturing to move forward and grow in their faith. It’s intimidating to look at what some of the programs are, or walk in on an advanced program beyond your comprehension at the place you are in your faith formation because you had no idea it was. If there is a new program in the bulletin to sign up for, encourage a full description, or refer to the parish website for more information. If there isn’t enough interest in the parish, share information on where to go to learn more. We have online classes through a local college available.

Many assume what you learn in school or CCD is the end of your learning. You have barely scratched the surface at that point, and that needs to be known, that you have only begun your journey. For some it’s obvious, but others aren’t just that curious, or intuitive.

I know, I’m new here, so take it for what it is. But this has been my personal experience.
CominghomeCC, you might be “new” here but this was a beautiful post filled with kindness, compassion, understanding, humility, and love and thank you for sharing your journey. May God bless you with continued peace as you continue on it.
 
CominghomeCC, you might be “new” here but this was a beautiful post filled with kindness, compassion, understanding, humility, and love and thank you for sharing your journey. May God bless you with continued peace as you continue on it.
Thank you. I must say that I was very blessed when I reached out, to have found the people I did. I’m truly blessed having them in my live.
 
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