CNN-Pope: The Most Powerful Man in History

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Thanks. I will have to check those out.

I might have seen one or two when I had cable.
I dont think you didā€¦your Feb 2015 post indicated you did not have cable or satellite and would wait to read reviews.
Which post from February of 2015 are you
referring to?
I have had cable or satellite off and on since 2009. I have lived with my son and daughter-in-law since then so whatever they had, I had. With the exception of a friend giving me one of their TVā€™s in 2015 or 2016 and I independently got my own cable because by that time my family had disconnected I just disconnected in the fall of last year because rates went up. I am pretty sure I saw the documentary about the ossuary and who it belonged to and on the Shroud of Turin.
And they do rerun their documentaries as well. I might have seen a few of the others. I have seen similar documentaries on the History channel, Discovery and National Geographic. Jesus is a popular subject around Christmas and Easter on those channels.
 
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It was a posting under a thread dealing with the then upcoming seriesā€¦it came up on a google search for cnn finding jesus cstholic
 
A google search on CAF? In any case, I do remember the series and seeing the advertisements and I am pretty sure I watched a few of them whether it was when they were originally shown or reruns but CNN does does use the word ā€œdebunkā€
when describing the show.
 
Letā€™s face itā€¦ when CNN reports on religion is to create controversy so as to generate viewershipā€¦ the title itself implies some kind of temporal earthly power so right away it is going to focus on thatā€¦ yes in the history of western civilization the Pope had great influence and exercised power, the Church had wealth especially large amounts of landā€¦ I for one celebrate that that era is over and the Church is humble and spiritual with no power over the affairs of governmentā€¦ one voice among manyā€¦ like in the first 300 years of Christianity
 
CNN isnā€™t exactly friendly to Christians, or Catholics and the values we hold, and have a particular set of ideological (political) values that I find conflicting with our beliefs in many ways. So for me to believe they will portray the Pope in a positive light is difficult.
 
CNN isnā€™t exactly friendly to Christians, or Catholics and the values we hold, and have a particular set of ideological (political) values that I find conflicting with our beliefs in many ways. So for me to believe they will portray the Pope in a positive light is difficult.
Understood. Fair enoughā€¦I like to separate secular from spiritualā€¦I subscribe to Christā€™s view, and in imitating him, I chose to be ā€œnot of this worldā€ā€¦maybe thatā€™s why Iā€™m willing to give CNN the benefit of a doubt rather than jumping to conclusion.
 
I think that is a good approach. One I think we should all do as an act of charity. I applaud you for this.

For me, right now, as I have in the past year or more, avoided anything that is political, especially news channels. I grew up being extremely political and involved in politics. I know where it gets me, angry, irritated and not in a very Christian state of mind. Iā€™m too jaded to be able to allow or let go of past beliefs I still cling to (e.g.: certain channels / networks having an agenda, certain actors / actresses espousing views which I believe strongly go against my convictions) to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Maybe in time, maybe in time.
 
I watched the Pope episode 1 last night.
My perspective from what I remember:

THE GOOD:
-Relating the Pope back to Peter
-Expressed Peterā€™s primacy and leadership, as well as historical details like being in Rome and crucified upside down
-Admitting Catholic Church is 2,000 years old
-Talked about how Christianity was inspiring for Roman Christians, since many in Rome were slaves.
-Expressed how there was one universal church until split with Orthodox.
-Surprisingly, bluntly stating that the Orthodox Church ā€œbroke offā€ from the Catholic Church
-Had a general positive view of the role of the Pope as ā€œrockā€ and ā€œfatherly figureā€ in a chaotic and every changing world.
-Had a variety of speakers/contributors: a Cardinal, a baptist minister, Catholic scholars, other scholars, and so on.
-Showed Pope Francis and expressed his role as peacemaker amongst three great religions.

The BAD:
-WORST SIN: One scholar called Constantine ā€œhead of the stateā€¦ and the CHURCH.ā€ Because thatā€™s how it was for ā€œPagan Rome.ā€ :roll_eyes: Isnā€™t this episode about the Pope?! Isnā€™t it obvious who leads the Church? Embarrassing. And she wasnā€™t talking about the Eastern Christian approachā€¦ It was still the context of Rome.
-While admitting of Peterā€™s prominence, one scholar said that Rome was head of the church because Rome was head of the Empire, which isnā€™t exactly correct
-Sometimes focused too much on the Constantine influence of the Roman church, as if it was because of him that the Pope became the leader, which also isnā€™t exactly true
-Talked about Christians killing each other over doctrine, which was true but not very nuanced
-Weirdly suggested Pope Urban was personally responsible for war and violence, and yet the same documentary also said that Pope was responding to call for aid from the East. So it didnā€™t seem to be consistent: Are you blaming the Pope, or are you admitting it was a response to violent Muslims?

MISSED Opportunities:
-As the first episode ā€œRise of the Pope,ā€ the episode should have at least mentioned Leo the Great or Gregory the Great. But NOPE. Besides Peter, popes of the Crusades (Ubran II or III? Canā€™t remember ā€“ maybe both) were mentioned most.
-Basically: Went from 1st century, to Constantine, to barbarians, to AD 800, to Crusades. Didnā€™t seem complete, even for an hour. HOW CAN YOU NOT TALK ABOUT POPE GREGORY?
-Didnā€™t speak much about early Church fathers or Christian reasons for Popeā€™s primacy, OTHER THAN Peter himself. didnā€™t mention Clement of Rome, or Ireneaus, or Cyprian of Carthageā€¦

INTERESTING but odd:
-Had a little segment on the Didache, but it didnā€™t really relate to anything about the episode, or the Pope.
-Said Rome was only church led by Apostle, which is interesting but not really true.
-Showed Peter and disciples around him making Roman Catholic sign of the cross. Sign of cross is early, but no one really knows
-I think it was odd to focus on the Crusades.
-Took the Catholic approach on Great Schism, which I believe is true, but probably should have been phrased in a more nuanced way instead of ā€œOrthodox broke offā€
 
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Clearly you know not history.

Your website is full of conspiracies and theories about aliens.

This is spam.
 
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Really? Give me an example that proves I know not history? Thank you.
 
You said the Pope episode was deception.

(And you didnā€™t say it from a Catholic perspective.)

Hence, what youā€™re really saying is that the Christian/Catholic view of Jesus, the Church, and the Pope is deceptive.

CNNā€™s first episode was mostly fair and historically-based.
 
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