Co worker and tubes tied again

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Hey I posted a month ago about a co worker/friend who will tie the tubes after number 3. At that time I evangelized some to no avail. The subject came up again today but I did not comment either way about it. She knows my wife and I are using NFP and I mentioned we are not having more children in the forseeable futur as well hoping that might spark something. She did say we stronger in our beliefs than she and her husband which I almost commented to but did not. I think I have done all I can now. To say more would makes things worse than better.

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Eric
 
I think an interesting consequence of vasectomy that they may not have considered is the physcological effect it can have on a man- subconciously freeing him of any of the responsibility connected with intercourse.

This could ultimately be more damaging to a relationship than any other factor associated with not undergoing the proceedure.
 
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EricCKS:
Hey I posted a month ago about a co worker/friend who will tie the tubes after number 3. At that time I evangelized some to no avail. The subject came up again today but I did not comment either way about it. She knows my wife and I are using NFP and I mentioned we are not having more children in the forseeable futur as well hoping that might spark something. She did say we stronger in our beliefs than she and her husband which I almost commented to but did not. I think I have done all I can now. To say more would makes things worse than better.

Comments??

Thanks

Eric
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Contact the people at www.omsoul.com for resources on this subject. Perhaps giving her some reading material would work.
 
I think you did the right thing. She knows how you feel and knows there are alternatives, but now it’s up to her to internalize all the information she’s been given by all sorts of people and to put that into action.
 
I am sorry but your co workers reproduction organs are non of your business.
 
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BEK:
How come u ain’t havin’ any more kids? hypocritical?
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If there are serious and grave reasons determined prayerfully by the couple, they can avoid pregnancy using NFP. They are not automatically hypocrites because of this. Moreover, for you to imply that this person is somehow hypocritical without knowing their reasons or assuming they are not prayerful about their family (which it sounds they are), makes your statement that much more rude and arrogant.

God Bless,
-Amy
 
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BEK:
How come u ain’t havin’ any more kids? hypocritical?
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What a completely rude, presumptuous remark.:mad: You have no idea of this persons circumstances.

I have one child and have used NFP for 9 years. Another pregnancy would kill me because a heart condition that will require a transplant in the next few years. I was devastate at the news that I could not have more children(2 second opinions.) (Ofcourse very greatful for the beautiful daughter I have.) I guess if I mentioned I had one child and used NFP you’d have called me a hypocrite too.

You have some gall to someone a hypocrite without know their reasons.
 
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Lilyofthevalley:
I am sorry but your co workers reproduction organs are non of your business.
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But spreading the good news of Christ and His Church IS.

Please do not say as Cain did, “…am I my brothers keeper!” We ARE our brothers keeper! Charitably explaining the Church’s teaching is a loving thing to do … but sometimes we can just ‘plant the seeds’ and move on.

Joe
 
Isnt it our duty as Christians to let fellow Christians know of other options? Your right about it being none of his business but if she talks about it to him than it is an obligation as a brother/sister in Christ. He isnt judging her at all. I wish people were more aware of their options in BC. Unfortunatly, the natural way is something doctors dont tell patients. I think they would feel much better about themselves doing this natural method.

adrienne
 

But spreading the good news of Christ and His Church IS.​

Telling a co worker she is somehow sinning by tying her tubes is not spreading good news. It’s overstepping a person’s bounds.​

l. I wish people were more aware of their options in BC. Unfortunatly, the natural way is something doctors dont tell patients. I think they would feel much better about themselves doing this natural method.​

I guess people would “feel better” about themselves by not taking antibiotics or getting immunizations. Both of which are unnatural.
BTW even Planned Parenthood has a page about this “natural method”. It’s no secret.
 
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Lilyofthevalley:

I said: But spreading the good news of Christ and His Church IS.​

Telling a co worker she is somehow sinning by tying her tubes is not spreading good news. It’s overstepping a person’s bounds.​

Any procedure done with the direct intention of suppressing fertility is immoral. Tubal ligation is a directly sterilizing procedure and therefore is immoral.
But if she didn’t know the meaning or significance of a tubal ligation, in other words, she is ignorant of what she is doing by choosing the procedure, she would not
be morally culpable (would not bear personal moral responsibility) for her choice. Her action is still objectively evil (the world [married people, marriage and family] is a worse place when the natural goodness of human -procreation is suppressed).

I don’t know if the couple is Catholic or not, but the age old Teaching of the Church is that contraception and steralization ARE sins. As for telling this person SHE sinned, I wouldn’t know. And I NEVER said anything about telling someone they did sin.

The Protestant Anglican church started the “domino” effect in Protestantism in the 1930’s allowing the use of contraception.

Some more Good News:

Humanae Vitae by Pope Paul VI

God, Sex, & Babies by Christopher West

Birth Control by Catholic Answers

Contraception and Sterilization by Catholic Answers

Contraception: Why Not? by Janet Smith (audio tape)

I think you did and are doing the right thing EricCKS,

Blessings,

Joe
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The Protestant Anglican church started the “domino” effect in Protestantism in the 1930’s allowing the use of contraception​

So what? Slavery was universally accepted by the majority of Christian denominations until abolition in The United States. What "domino’ effect did that have?
So, Joe are you all for searching Catholic’s houses for artificial birth control? Or reviewing a couples medical records?
 
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Lilyofthevalley:

The Protestant Anglican church started the “domino” effect in Protestantism in the 1930’s allowing the use of contraception​

So what? Slavery was universally accepted by the majority of Christian denominations until abolition in The United States. What "domino’ effect did that have?
**So, Joe are you all for searching Catholic’s houses for artificial birth control? Or reviewing a couples medical records?/**QUOTE]

🙂 Of course not. I only wish to expound the Freedom that sets us free in the Teachings of Christ through the Catholic Church.

Thank you,

Joe
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John666:
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Lilyofthevalley:
Any procedure done with the direct intention of suppressing fertility is immoral. Tubal ligation is a directly sterilizing procedure and therefore is immoral.
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This is what you believe…that doesn’t make it the truth though.
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rayne89:
What a completely rude, presumptuous remark.:mad: You have no idea of this persons circumstances.

I have one child and have used NFP for 9 years. Another pregnancy would kill me because a heart condition that will require a transplant in the next few years. I was devastate at the news that I could not have more children(2 second opinions.) (Ofcourse very greatful for the beautiful daughter I have.) I guess if I mentioned I had one child and used NFP you’d have called me a hypocrite too.

You have some gall to someone a hypocrite without know their reasons.
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Just like the original poster nor anyone commenting knows all of the facts of why this couple has decided on tubiligation…it’s presumptuous, and rude to pass judgement or to suggest that your way is the ONLY right way.

It works both ways:yup:
 
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Lilyofthevalley:

But spreading the good news of Christ and His Church IS.​

Telling a co worker she is somehow sinning by tying her tubes is not spreading good news. It’s overstepping a person’s bounds.​

l. I wish people were more aware of their options in BC. Unfortunatly, the natural way is something doctors dont tell patients. I think they would feel much better about themselves doing this natural method.​

I guess people would “feel better” about themselves by not taking antibiotics or getting immunizations. Both of which are unnatural.
BTW even Planned Parenthood has a page about this “natural method”. It’s no secret.
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Planned parenthood does have this as an option , you are right…but when doctors ask me what I am using for birth control , I tell them NFP. They make a comment by saying see you again in a few weeks. I wish they gave this option to everyone. Many woman dont know about it. Our duty as a Christian is to let people know their options. No one is judging anyone here or in this situation. She talked to this guy about it.If someone wanted to have an abortion. Cant we guide them to choose another way??
adrienne
 
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sunwheel:
Just like the original poster nor anyone commenting knows all of the facts of why this couple has decided on tubiligation…it’s presumptuous, and rude to pass judgement or to suggest that your way is the ONLY right way.

It works both ways:yup:
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Your right in that I don’t “know all the facts”. But my understanding is that the woman reffered to will be getting her tubes tied just because they do not WANT any more children "after number 3.

Weather I believe it or not … matters not. It IS Church Teaching. Even outside the Church tubal ligation is unnatural. The Catholic Church’s prohibition of contraception is based on the natural law. Public revelation enriches and enlightens what the natural law reveals about contraception.

You truly would do yourself good in reading:

Humanae Vitae by Pope Paul VI

God Love you,

Joe
 
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John666:
Your right in that I don’t “know all the facts”. But my understanding is that the woman reffered to will be getting her tubes tied just because they do not WANT any more children "after number 3.
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which is NO ONE’s business but theirs.
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John666:
Weather I believe it or not … matters not. It IS Church Teaching. Even outside the Church tubal ligation is unnatural. The Catholic Church’s prohibition of contraception is based on the natural law. Public revelation enriches and enlightens what the natural law reveals about contraception.
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There are scores of medical proceedures that are unnatural…we do them anyways becasue they improve quality of life. Your beliefs and the beliefs of the catholic church, and the pope are great for those that choose to follow them, but to suggest that they apply to everyone is self-centered and dishonest. I don’t need to read JPs readings to KNOW that I do not believe them nor will I ever…they are irrelevant to me and the majority of the rest of the world.
 
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