Coeliacs and the Priesthood

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In response to the fact I haven’t provided a source, first of all I’m busy so I’m not going to be checking this forum every hour. To verify, I’m gluten intolerant and I know many people who can’t have a drop of gluten otherwise they will get sick. If I eat too much gluten, I get sick. If one looks at celiac disease most aren’t allowed to have any gluten, a few will cheat here and there but doctors recommend those with celiac and gluten allergies to avoid gluten because it can really cause alot of internal damage. The low gluten are options for some people, but the reality is: the amount of gluten a person’s body can tolerate can vary person to person. For example I can eat a bit without getting sick but I have a friend if she consumes a tiny amount of gluten will become quite sick. The low gluten hosts are good options for some people but not everyone. You can be celiac and yet the amount of gluten a person’s body can handle will vary. Depending on how it affects the person, cross containmination is a factor that must also be mentioned. Some gluten allergies are so sever that the low gluten hosts cannot touch the regular hosts otherwise the person could get sick. The criteria is very specific ex
www.catholicceliacs.org/TrifoldBrochureV71.pdf

You might want to check out this link as well.
celiac.com/gluten-free/topic/62236-low-gluten-host/
OK, the link to that forum is just one person’s opinion at best. He/she is not even certain that the host is the cause of the reaction. I have a friend who is VERY sensitive to gluten, gets VERY sick if she consumes any, and she has taken the host for years now and has negative antibodies. If you are going by self-reports, mine carries more weight because her antibodies have been tested and are negative. And, she’s a doctor. So there.

And your first link doesn’t work.

Of course celiac parishioners can always receive the Blood instead (unless it’s the priest’s chalice of course) but it is wonderful that we can now include celiac young men as possible seminarians.

God bless the Benedictine Sisters of Perpetual Adoration!!!

:love:❤️

o.s. Do you belong to CSA?
 
In response to the fact I haven’t provided a source, first of all I’m busy so I’m not going to be checking this forum every hour. To verify, I’m gluten intolerant and I know many people who can’t have a drop of gluten otherwise they will get sick. If I eat too much gluten, I get sick. If one looks at celiac disease most aren’t allowed to have any gluten, a few will cheat here and there but doctors recommend those with celiac and gluten allergies to avoid gluten because it can really cause alot of internal damage. The low gluten are options for some people, but the reality is: the amount of gluten a person’s body can tolerate can vary person to person. For example I can eat a bit without getting sick but I have a friend if she consumes a tiny amount of gluten will become quite sick. The low gluten hosts are good options for some people but not everyone. You can be celiac and yet the amount of gluten a person’s body can handle will vary. Depending on how it affects the person, cross containmination is a factor that must also be mentioned. Some gluten allergies are so sever that the low gluten hosts cannot touch the regular hosts otherwise the person could get sick. The criteria is very specific ex
www.catholicceliacs.org/TrifoldBrochureV71.pdf

You might want to check out this link as well.
celiac.com/gluten-free/topic/62236-low-gluten-host/
Your first link doesn’t work. Your second link is to a forum.

You might want to learn a little about Celiac and gluten. First Celiac disease is an auto-immune disease. It requires a gluten free diet.

Gluten intolerance can include anyone that thinks they feel better when they don’t eat gluten to those that have been to the doctor and a doctor has recommended it. Some have had an unreliable stool sample test. Gluten intolerance runs the gamut.

Anyone eating gluten free should avoid all gluten. But all processed food has the chance of having some gluten in it.

The question is, how much is safe. Leading doctors say that anything 10ppm and under is safe for all. They came to the 10ppm because they wanted to cover people that eat lots of processed food. So if you ate 100 different processed items that contained 10ppm, you would be safe That is the level they are petitioning the federal government to have when they label something gluten free.

That does not mean that items labeled 100ppm aren’t safe. Just that they wouldn’t be safe to eat 100 of those items in a day. (Well, based on the Hosts, you would need over 270 a day to have a reaction.) So the 2 or 3 or even 10 that a priest may consume, isn’t going to be a problem. You have to look at the parts per million or the mircograms. That is what will tell you what is safe. Not the ambiguous, " I don’t feel well."

Just a note…low gluten Hosts should NEVER touch regular Hosts. Who told you that they are stored together? They should always be kept in different locations. 🤷 That is common sense when dealing with gluten free items.
 
I have an incredibly severe reaction to gluten. (The is no such thing as a severe case of Celiac, it is like being pregnant, you either are or you aren’t) The smallest amount will cause a reaction. BUT each week I receive one low gluten host. At 100ppm, very few people would have a reaction. And those that do, can receive 1/2 of the host or even a smaller piece.

Keep in mind Celiac Disease is just that, a disease. An auto-immune disease.
All I know is that in my parish there are about 10 people with celiac disease and of that 10 there’s 2 that absolutely refuse to receive the low gluten host and ask to receive from the chalice. That’s fine with me so I’ve never questioned them as to their reasoning as to why they refuse to receive the low gluten host.
 
All I know is that in my parish there are about 10 people with celiac disease and of that 10 there’s 2 that absolutely refuse to receive the low gluten host and ask to receive from the chalice. That’s fine with me so I’ve never questioned them as to their reasoning as to why they refuse to receive the low gluten host.
From my experience, some people either don’t understand the science behind the parts per million reality, or they are nervous about things they really don’t need to be. Some celiacs still believe that vinegar distilled from wheat will cause a reaction. Distillation removes the gluten molecule completely. Celiacs can drink vodka or whiskey safely. And distilled vinegar such as that in salad dressings, is totally safe. But some older celiacs who were diagnosed a long time ago have not kept up with new knowledge, so they tend to clamp down and refuse to believe ANYTHING they don’t know.

And there is no convincing them.

How do the other 8 receive? Do they each have their own pyx? I guess with that many, they could have their own paten?

🙂
 
All I know is that in my parish there are about 10 people with celiac disease and of that 10 there’s 2 that absolutely refuse to receive the low gluten host and ask to receive from the chalice. That’s fine with me so I’ve never questioned them as to their reasoning as to why they refuse to receive the low gluten host.
Juliane answers this question beautifully.
From my experience, some people either don’t understand the science behind the parts per million reality, or they are nervous about things they really don’t need to be. Some celiacs still believe that vinegar distilled from wheat will cause a reaction. Distillation removes the gluten molecule completely. Celiacs can drink vodka or whiskey safely. And distilled vinegar such as that in salad dressings, is totally safe. But some older celiacs who were diagnosed a long time ago have not kept up with new knowledge, so they tend to clamp down and refuse to believe ANYTHING they don’t know.

And there is no convincing them.

How do the other 8 receive? Do they each have their own pyx? I guess with that many, they could have their own paten?

🙂
We have one pyx. Our priests know us and will pull it out of the Tabernacle when they see us at Mass. Father missed me once and felt awful, even though I told him I could simply receive from the Chalice. Instead he held up the line, went back and retrieved the pyx.
 
Juliane answers this question beautifully.

We have one pyx. Our priests know us and will pull it out of the Tabernacle when they see us at Mass. Father missed me once and felt awful, even though I told him I could simply receive from the Chalice. Instead he held up the line, went back and retrieved the pyx.
Did you already say how many celiacs and gluten intolerants you have in your parish?

Palm Sunday, my son couldn’t receive b/c there was no cup…I was totally surprised but my guess is that they simply ran out of wine. This is a huge parish and there had been 3 Masses prior to the one we attended. I keep urging him to see Father about using the host wafers but so far, no luck.
 
OK I’m going to ask. Why did I never hear about allergies to gluten until the last few years? Is any of this psychosomatic or part of an obsession with health issues?
 
Did you already say how many celiacs and gluten intolerants you have in your parish?

Palm Sunday, my son couldn’t receive b/c there was no cup…I was totally surprised but my guess is that they simply ran out of wine. This is a huge parish and there had been 3 Masses prior to the one we attended. I keep urging him to see Father about using the host wafers but so far, no luck.
Eight, I think. :confused: How about 8 that I know of. Since I run the local support group, I normally find out about people with Celiac then tell them to talk to the priest about how to receive.

The only time I can’t receive from the Cup is during daily Mass. And if I notified them ahead of time the priest would make sure that I could.
 
OK I’m going to ask. Why did I never hear about allergies to gluten until the last few years? Is any of this psychosomatic or part of an obsession with health issues?
Not at all, ringil. The reason you didn’t hear about it is because you had no contact with it. I had never heard of celiac disease either, until our son got very ill and was on the verge of death. I was freaked out when the doctors told us he could never again eat wheat, barley or rye! But we went forward because the life of our son depended upon one thing - his diet.

It was thought to be uncommon, but in actuality, it is the most common autoimmune disease, I believe worldwide. 1:133 people has it. But sometimes it takes years to be activated, and years to be properly diagnosed. Many women are diagnosed when they are having problems trying to conceive. Infertility is one of the fallouts of malnutrition.

Unfortunately, there has been some faddish attention lately. Some people believe that the gluten-free diet is somehow healthier for everyone, and they promote it as if it is necessary and desirable. But the GF diet is very stringent. People who do not truly need to be on it, are not going to treat it as seriously as those who have the medical need. So if you have one of those people, who has just heard something about the diet being healthier, who goes into a restaurant and tells the server, “I need gluten free food,” but then orders something not gluten free, or takes the bun off the hamburger (a celiac would never be safe doing something like that), or eats the toppings off of the pizza, it reduces the seriousness of the diet for people who DO need it.

As well, there are those people who should be on the strict diet but who cheat, like diabetics who eat cake and candy. There will always be a certain number of non-compliant patients in any given diagnosed population. But those people do not represent the disease well to the larger public.

Here is an info sheet on the disease. You might find it interesting. Mayo Clinic - Celiac Disease

The last paragraph describes my son: *Seek medical attention for a child who is pale, irritable and fails to grow, and who has a potbelly and foul-smelling, bulky stools. Other conditions can cause these same signs and symptoms, so discuss it with your child’s doctor before trying a gluten-free diet. *

Anyone who suspects celiac disease should do more than merely discussing it with their doctor. They should be thoroughly tested, because once they go on the GF diet, if the problem was celiac disease, their small intestine will begin to heal and the tests could be rendered useless.
 
OK I’m going to ask. Why did I never hear about allergies to gluten until the last few years? Is any of this psychosomatic or part of an obsession with health issues?
Are you talking about Celiac, gluten or wheat allergies or gluten intolerance? They are different things.

Celiac disease can be confirmed with a small intestine biopsy, after a blood test for antibodies.

Allergies to gluten (or wheat) can be confirmed with allergy testing.

Gluten intolerance generally manifest two ways. One, someone starts to eat gluten free and “feels better.” The other way, is someone that has caught their Celiac before they have antibodies or damage to their intestine. The first one, I consider an obsession with health issues. The second, I am glad that they didn’t have to go through what I did.

Of course what I wrote about intolerance is simply my opinion. :o
 
How do the other 8 receive? Do they each have their own pyx? I guess with that many, they could have their own paten?

🙂
There’s one pyx that’s only used for the low gluten hosts. The 8 have never been there all at the same Mass yet so we haven’t encountered that issue yet. We have one Pyx that can hold about 5 of the low gluten hosts and that has been fine so far.
 
OK I’m going to ask. Why did I never hear about allergies to gluten until the last few years? Is any of this psychosomatic or part of an obsession with health issues?
It is a VERY legitimate disease, a real disease, which has been around for a long time. However, only now it’s gaining popularity because more people are becoming aware that such a disease exists. It’s not an obsession, nor is it a hype or fad. It is a true disease, and can often be traumatic for some people if they haven’t easy access to gluten-free foods.

It can trigger many other diseases as well, if someone with coeliacs (or celiac, alt. spelling) continues to eat foods containing gluten. Examples of this could be epilepsy, increased asthma, ADHD, depression and more.
 
It can trigger many other diseases as well, if someone with coeliacs (or celiac, alt. spelling) continues to eat foods containing gluten. Examples of this could be epilepsy, increased asthma, ADHD, depression and more.
Its the lymphoma that scares me. 😦
 
Its the lymphoma that scares me. 😦
Oh goodness! I can understand completely. But thanks to God, there is a way to avoid it. Living entirely gluten-free! Or close to.

Or wait, is there still the chance you could get it?
 
There’s one pyx that’s only used for the low gluten hosts. The 8 have never been there all at the same Mass yet so we haven’t encountered that issue yet. We have one Pyx that can hold about 5 of the low gluten hosts and that has been fine so far.
And do you keep the hosts there at the church? How do you make sure they don’t have any contact with the wheat hosts?
 
Oh goodness! I can understand completely. But thanks to God, there is a way to avoid it. Living entirely gluten-free! Or close to.

Or wait, is there still the chance you could get it?
It depends on how long you ate gluten while having Celiac. And how much damage you have had.

It isn’t something I really worry about all of the time, it is just in the back of my mind.
 
It depends on how long you ate gluten while having Celiac. And how much damage you have had.

It isn’t something I really worry about all of the time, it is just in the back of my mind.
Are you aware the the highest risk of lymphoma comes from continuous exposure to gluten, at a low to medium level? It’s the people who cheat or aren’t as careful as they should be whose risk is much higher. I will have to look up the research but I remember reading this - that is one reason I always warn people NOT to go GF without testing - because unless you KNOW you need the diet, it would be very difficult to be 100% scrupulous about staying strictly GF.
 
So you can’t wash METAL and remove any trace of gluten?
Yes, metal is safe. Who told you it isn’t? Non-stick pans are an unknown, but most celiacs don’t risk it. Cast iron cannot be shared, as it is seasoned and the seasoning is never fully removed. Plastic gets pits and scratches so it’s not safe to share.

Oh, if you mean the paten…Yes, they could use a clean paten, but then there would be the chance that there could be accidental contact between the GF hosts and the wheat hosts. Better to keep them in the covered pyx until they are received.
 
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