Cohen's re-written "Hallelujah" at Mass?

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babochka said:
So how do you differentiate? Seems like a fine line to draw.
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In the statement “I worship You.”, the words are of increasing importance. In a hymn, “You” is the focus; in a song int tends to be one of the first two (which is why so-called “Christian Music” drives me nuts [in addition to the vapid lyrics and sappy sound in general, along with the atrocious theology, and . . .]).

The general sing-song nature of a song weighs towards finding it that. The focus on happy-for-singing rather than reverence for God is another one.

Oh, and look at the credit–if it says 'S.J.", it’s usually not just a song, but a bad one 🙂 [says the man who spent 8 years in jebby schools an almost joined them . . .]

The lyrics are clever in a song, not in a hymn.

and so forth

hawk
 
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babochka:
So how do you differentiate? Seems like a fine line to draw.
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In the statement “I worship You.”, the words are of increasing importance. In a hymn, “You” is the focus; in a song int tends to be one of the first two (which is why so-called “Christian Music” drives me nuts [in addition to the vapid lyrics and sappy sound in general, along with the atrocious theology, and . . .]).

The general sing-song nature of a song weighs towards finding it that. The focus on happy-for-singing rather than reverence for God is another one.

Oh, and look at the credit–if it says 'S.J.", it’s usually not just a song, but a bad one 🙂 [says the man who spent 8 years in jebby schools an almost joined them . . .]

The lyrics are clever in a song, not in a hymn.

and so forth

hawk
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Seems mighty subjective…
 
A shorter, perhaps more objective, test might be whether the focus is on the sining/singer/song, or God.

hawk
 
pianistclare said:
The term “Novus Ordo” was coined by the “Traditionalists” who believe that the mass of Pope Paul VI is invalid. It is not a proper term for the liturgy revised by Pope Paul VI after Vatican II. The proper term is “the mass” or the “Latin Rite.” It may be celebrated in Latin or in the common language of the people, called the “vernacular”. Currently, celebration in any language other than the vernacular requires permission of the local ordinary (bishop). Revision of the English version of this liturgy is currently in process.
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Pope Paul VI used the term.

“Is the Novus Ordo a New Rite of the Church?
The term Novus Ordo is often used by “traditionalist” Catholics as a sort of pejorative, but it is most interesting to note that Paul VI himself referred to his new Mass as the “Novus Ordo”. [1] In light of this fact, I think we can charitably make use of the term as a means of distinction.”

no need for uncharitable accusations

Is the Novus Ordo a New Rite of the Church?

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Now I have “Joyful, Joyful, We adore thee” on a continuous loop in my head 😃
Seriously, I’d love a count of how many different lyrics have been set to Beethoven’s 9th which includes Schiller’s Ode to Joy…
 
babochka said:
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dochawk:
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babochka:
So how do you differentiate? Seems like a fine line to draw.
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In the statement “I worship You.”, the words are of increasing importance. In a hymn, “You” is the focus; in a song int tends to be one of the first two (which is why so-called “Christian Music” drives me nuts [in addition to the vapid lyrics and sappy sound in general, along with the atrocious theology, and . . .]).

The general sing-song nature of a song weighs towards finding it that. The focus on happy-for-singing rather than reverence for God is another one.

Oh, and look at the credit–if it says 'S.J.", it’s usually not just a song, but a bad one 🙂 [says the man who spent 8 years in jebby schools an almost joined them . . .]

The lyrics are clever in a song, not in a hymn.

and so forth

hawk
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Seems mighty subjective…
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Would you believe, there’s all kinds of guidance from the Church on this? Pretty much everybody ignores it though…🤣
 
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I know of a particular parish that is known to use the tone of the song (the Hallelujah refrain) and not necessarily the lyrics for the verses. Instead, the parish uses the verse in the missal, but to the tone of Cohen’s Hallelujah. They actually used it when the bishop visited the parish. Said bishop just accepted it as a peculiarity of said parish.

And lest we forget…

 
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If it’s the correct one, then time signature should be…

1 2 3
2 4 4
3 4 5

This will also correspond to the hymnal page number as well.
 
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If timed right that could be when the choir go up for communion.
 
janeway529 said:
I know of a particular parish that is known to use the tone of the song (the Hallelujah refrain) and not necessarily the lyrics for the verses. Instead, the parish uses the verse in the missal, but to the tone of Cohen’s Hallelujah. They actually used it when the bishop visited the parish. Said bishop just accepted it as a peculiarity of said parish.

And lest we forget…
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Why, why, why does the bishop just accept it? I suppose it’s possible he knows things I don’t.
 
Bishops have to pick their battles. Tacky music is not one most want to die on.
 
TheLittleLady said:
Bishops have to pick their battles. Tacky music is not one most want to die on.
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It’s worse than just tacky, though. It’s unholy.

“Save the liturgy, save the…” oh, never mind.
😔
 
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