Cold and Flu Season and Mass

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Colds are a part of life this time of year. Get use to it.

People should take reasonable precautions whenever possible. This is common sense.

People who extra - ordinary health concerns need to take responsibility for their extra-ordinary precautions. This is also common sense.

To expect everyone at Sunday Mass to stay home because there are special and extreme health measures among a few? This is not common sense
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Wow, that’s harsh. Even though we’re arguing the same side, I’m not entirely sure I want to be seen on this side anymore. We should care, simply because we care about our fellow man.🤷
Yes, I know it was harsh and it would probably be different if my son had say a peanut allergy, but he doesn’t and it’s not my concern to those who do, it’s not my problem for another parent to keep their child safe.
 
No, I just don’t agree that I am going to cause anyone to die. I happen to know how to cover my mouth, avoid touching people and use hand-washing as needed. There are all levels of immunity. Those with severely compromised immunity have far less to fear from me than they do simply grabbing the handle to enter Church. My greatest danger to others is when I am oblivious to any potential illness I carry.

And no, I do not think any allergy I have will be passed on.
You absolutely could cause someone to die if you passed a virus to the wrong person. The issue is your culpability - did you know you were under the weather? Could you have stayed home?

If your hygiene is so excellent, you’re probably never ill, right?

No one has argued that allergies are contagious. 🤷

I guess I don’t understand why it’s difficult for people to stay home when they are sick unless an outing is absolutely unavoidable. I wonder how much this group of “I’ll go where I please, and you have to deal with it” types intersects with those who have never had a vulnerable newborn or elderly parent under their care, or struggled with their own immunity.
 
I’m pretty sure that you are still contagious while showing symptoms. The fever is actively fighting off the virus, which is still present in your body. The cold virus is abundantly present in the mucous of a cold. You are often more contagious before you show symptoms, though.
Fair enough, that makes sense.
 
I’m not burning precious sick time at for a common cold. I could care less and to be honest, it’s none of my business to know what if any pre-existing conditions that others around me may have. I do not buy into “it takes a village”.
Wow! Hope you’re not someone with whom I ever have to interact!
 
You absolutely could cause someone to die if you passed a virus to the wrong person. The issue is your culpability - did you know you were under the weather? Could you have stayed home?

If your hygiene is so excellent, you’re probably never ill, right?

No one has argued that allergies are contagious. 🤷

I guess I don’t understand why it’s difficult for people to stay home when they are sick unless an outing is absolutely unavoidable. I wonder how much this group of “I’ll go where I please, and you have to deal with it” types intersects with those who have never had a vulnerable newborn or elderly parent under their care, or struggled with their own immunity.
You made your point! We get it, honest we do!

But…

How dare you insinuate to anyone on this forum that because they have gone to work or to church with a cold that they know nothing about the health concerns of a vulnerable child or elderly parent, or someone with autoimmune conditions.

As someone who loss both parents to cancer and saw the ravages of chemotherapy and volunteered for many years in an AIDS hospice, I am offended that you are quick to conclude that anyone who does not agree with you is a selfish insensitive louse who wants the sick to drop dead in the church vestibule!

Culpability? Again, where it yours if you don’t take the proper percautions???

See how easy it is to throw accusations at others! That does not help!

There is no one on this thread who appears unsympathetic to your plight. But the perfect solution is not going to take place because we are not perfect creatures.
 
It is a shame how quick we are to judge others for simply obeying the guidelines that the Church has established for Mass. Mass is a communal liturgy. Under any and all circumstances, the possibility for disease exists. It is a fact of our biology. Severe immune deficiency is a serious illness. A cold is not. Hundreds of people at Mass will always mean that some sort of bacteria or virus may be present. If this is a danger to a person, then that person has a legitimate reason to stay home. That is the teaching. Go to the book (CCC). Read the guidelines.
 
Fair enough, that makes sense.
Just to avoid mere speculation and my own faulty memory, I looked it up.
Viruses can also be transmitted in the small airborne particles produced by a cough or a sneeze, but this requires very close contact. Whether or not you come down with a cold once you’ve been exposed to the virus depends on a variety of factors, including your age, genetics, type and amount of exposure, whether or not you smoke, and whether you’ve developed antibodies to that particular virus. Studies show that, if you contract a cold, you can transmit it to others one or two days before your symptoms appear, and up to four or five days after first being exposed to the virus. According to the National Institutes of Health (NIH), colds are most contagious two to four days after original exposure (whether or not symptoms have developed), when there is plenty of the virus present in nasal secretions.
Yesterday, I was working at my parish booth at an international food festival. I shudder to think how many people I exposed before my symptoms appeared in the late afternoon.
 
You made your point! We get it, honest we do!

But…

How dare you insinuate to anyone on this forum that because they have gone to work or to church with a cold that they know nothing about the health concerns of a vulnerable child or elderly parent, or someone with autoimmune conditions.

As someone who loss both parents to cancer and saw the ravages of chemotherapy and volunteered for many years in an AIDS hospice, I am offended that you are quick to conclude that anyone who does not agree with you is a selfish insensitive louse who wants the sick to drop dead in the church vestibule!

Culpability? Again, where it yours if you don’t take the proper percautions???

See how easy it is to throw accusations at others! That does not help!

There is no one on this thread who appears unsympathetic to your plight. But the perfect solution is not going to take place because we are not perfect creatures.
THIS:

I wonder how much this group of “I’ll go where I please, and you have to deal with it” types intersects with those who have never had a vulnerable newborn or elderly parent under their care, or struggled with their own immunity.

Is not a conclusion, or an accusation. I simply wonder if those who say they do not curtail their activities when sick, and don’t feel they should have to, have ever dealt with an immune-compromised family member. If you are someone who at least takes basic precautions to keep your illnesses to yourself, then good for you! But no, there are people here who have basically said they’ll do what they please and that the immune compromised should be the ones to avoid society.
 
You absolutely could cause someone to die if you passed a virus to the wrong person. The issue is your culpability - did you know you were under the weather? Could you have stayed home?

If your hygiene is so excellent, you’re probably never ill, right?
You misunderstand. My hygiene is extremely good when I know I am sick. Thus, once I know I have symptoms, I am less likely to spread the virus’ or bacteria that I carry every day with me.

I work in a high risk environment. We would never be able to function if we went by the rule of staying home several days after each cold. Even the school system only requires one day free of fever, and that’s dealing with a population that is, well, not known for good hygiene.
 
THIS:

I wonder how much this group of “I’ll go where I please, and you have to deal with it” types intersects with those who have never had a vulnerable newborn or elderly parent under their care, or struggled with their own immunity.

Is not a conclusion, or an accusation. I simply wonder if those who say they do not curtail their activities when sick, and don’t feel they should have to, have ever dealt with an immune-compromised family member. If you are someone who at least takes basic precautions to keep your illnesses to yourself, then good for you! But no, there are people here who have basically said they’ll do what they please and that the immune compromised should be the ones to avoid society.
Ultimately, the immune compromised person must avoid society in order to be completely protected, or at least be extremely cautious (hand sanitizer, leave physical space between themselves and others, etc.) No, we should not knowingly expose others to illness, but that doesn’t necessarily mean staying out of the public while we have that illness.
 
You made your point! We get it, honest we do!

But…

How dare you insinuate to anyone on this forum that because they have gone to work or to church with a cold that they know nothing about the health concerns of a vulnerable child or elderly parent, or someone with autoimmune conditions.

As someone who loss both parents to cancer and saw the ravages of chemotherapy and volunteered for many years in an AIDS hospice, I** am offended that you are quick to conclude that anyone who does not agree with you is a selfish insensitive louse who wants the sick to drop dead in the church vestibule!**

Culpability? Again, where it yours if you don’t take the proper percautions???

See how easy it is to throw accusations at others! That does not help!

There is no one on this thread who appears unsympathetic to your plight. But the perfect solution is not going to take place because we are not perfect creatures.
The afternoon of All Saints day, I was fighting a cold and knew I wasn’t feeling well when I was fighting to stay awake with my boss at work while working on a project. I got the project done and went to the OHO to have my temp. checked and it was a fever, all be it a low grade at 99.7. I hated to leave work because layoffs have left my dept. severely understaffed, but I did. This was around 2ish or so, even though it was late in the work day, I left because I knew I had a fever.

I got home and sent an e-mail to my Priest asking what I needed to do to not attend Mass on a Holy Day of Obligation, he quickly replied and said don’t worry about it.

My point to Jackie is that there are instances with staying home with a common cold minus a fever just doesn’t work. I’ve tried the working from home thing when my son was told to stay off his foot with a sprained ankle and when your department at work is under staffed, it’s next to impossible to do without an in home office with all of the resources you would have at work.
 
I’m not burning precious sick time at for a common cold. I could care less and to be honest, it’s none of my business to know what if any pre-existing conditions that others around me may have. I do not buy into “it takes a village”.
If you do not buy into ‘it takes a village’, does that just for when you are ill and not knowing if someone else gets it then it is their business and not yours, or is it for everything: your food, your energy, and everything else you use, you provide for yourself? Because if you do not provide for all that you use, then, IMHO, you have already have bought into ‘it takes a village’.🤷🙂
 
I find it EXTREMELY presumptuous on YOUR part to tell people that it’s perfectly fine to purposely make other people sick. Your “sniffles” may be someone else’s “pneumonia.”

Jala
The bishops do not advise the faithful to miss Mass during cold and flu season. If someone is truly sick then it is left to their personal judgement whether to attend Mass or not. It is not the place of an anonymous poster to tell Catholics to stay away.

Would you also instruct your fellow Catholics to avoid confession, too?
 
Would you also instruct your fellow Catholics to avoid confession, too?
Unless it were an emergency, then yes - of course. I’d suggest they wait a few days so as not to infect fellow parishioners or the priest, who really can’t afford to be sick. He can’t visit the infirm or the hospitalized if he’s ill.

I don’t want to walk into a confessional where a sick person had previously been.

No one has said otherwise healthy people should skip Mass during cold and flu season - but rather, those that know they are sick just to stay home, rest and get well for next Sunday. 🤷
 
Where I work we have sick leave, but calling in results in “points” that can result in dsciplinary action up to and including termination. Needless to say, people come to work sick all the time.

I would probably stay away from Mass when I was sick faster than I would at work, because the Pastor isn’t going to fire me if I’m home with the flu. I worked with pneumonia last year, but didn’t go to Mass on the weekends.

If we could get employers to stop penalizing ALL employees for the choices of those who abuse sick leave, maybe we’d all be a lot healthier.
 
Unless it were an emergency, then yes - of course. I’d suggest they wait a few days so as not to infect fellow parishioners or the priest, who really can’t afford to be sick. He can’t visit the infirm or the hospitalized if he’s ill.

I don’t want to walk into a confessional where a sick person had previously been.

No one has said otherwise healthy people should skip Mass during cold and flu season - but rather, those that know they are sick just to stay home, rest and get well for next Sunday. 🤷
So do you not go to the store, to work, school or the doctor’s office because you don’t want to be where a sick person had previously been? For goodness sakes, it would be nice if people worked as hard to go to Mass as they do to avoid it. The sacraments are the ordinary means of grace for us; how is it that so many here are trying to avoid them?
 
I would probably stay away from Mass when I was sick faster than I would at work, because the Pastor isn’t going to fire me if I’m home with the flu. I worked with pneumonia last year, but didn’t go to Mass on the weekends.
So, you went to work five days a week for 8 hours a day with pneumonia but you couldn’t manage less than an hour at Mass on the Saturday vigil or Sunday morning?
 
The bishops do not advise the faithful to miss Mass during cold and flu season. If someone is truly sick then it is left to their personal judgement whether to attend Mass or not. It is not the place of an anonymous poster to tell Catholics to stay away.

Would you also instruct your fellow Catholics to avoid confession, too?
I disagree. USCCB published a statement.While they didn’t write it, they posted it on their website.
  1. How can the spread of the influenza virus be prevented?
    The single best way to prevent the flu is to get vaccinated. In addition to the yearly seasonal flu vaccine, the CDC is monitoring the production of a vaccine for the H1N1 (swine) flu, which should be available in the fall of 2009. The CDC recommends these other ways to prevent the flu: “Avoid close contact with people who are sick. **When you are sick, keep your distance from others to protect them from getting sick too; stay home when you are sick. ** If possible, stay home from work, school, and errands when you are sick. You will help prevent others from catching your illness; cover your mouth and nose. Cover your mouth and nose with a tissue when coughing or sneezing. It may prevent those around you from getting sick; clean your hands. Washing your hands often will help protect you from germs. Avoid touching your eyes, nose or mouth. Germs are often spread when a person touches something that is contaminated with germs and then touches his or her eyes, nose, or mouth.”
 
So do you not go to the store, to work, school or the doctor’s office because you don’t want to be where a sick person had previously been? For goodness sakes, it would be nice if people worked as hard to go to Mass as they do to avoid it. The sacraments are the ordinary means of grace for us; how is it that so many here are trying to avoid them?
Of course I go out. I just have to hope the people that went before me and with me displayed common courtesy, charity and good sense. I want to think that most people avoid going out unnecessarily while they are unwell.

No one wants to be sick. No one wants to miss Mass. No one is suggesting people all together forego Mass or the sacraments! But, if you find yourself in the unfortunate position of becoming ill, then of course you do what you can to steer clear of others until you are well. Typically this means only missing one Sunday, unless you have a particularly nasty virus.

This goes for anything - school, work, the store, Mass. It infuriates me when parents send a sniffly, coughing child to school to infect the rest of the class just as much as it infuriates me when someone with an obvious cold plops down near me at church.
 
I disagree. USCCB published a statement.While they didn’t write it, they posted it on their website.
That is from the Center for Disease Control and is in regards to spreading the flu to others. It is not a statement from the bishops that says if you are sick, then don’t go to Mass or confession anymore than it says don’t go to school, work or wherever.
 
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