Colin Kaepernick and true social justice

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Pride is one of The Seven Deadly Sins… pride is pride, even if it’s directed by patriotism. I consider it sinful, but I have a deep and sincere love for all Americans, just as I have an unfailing love for everyone on this planet! I’m talking about true equality among the people of all nations, which ironically is an important part of our own Constitution.
 
When my father served in the Army in World War II, he had to serve in a segregated unit. When he got back home, he was hassled by the police several times – but he got through it and persuaded the policemen to leave him alone. Yet, he wouldn’t dream of sitting down during the National Anthem. I am so proud to be his daughter, and I follow his lead.

God bless you!
 
I too would stand, but my heart and soul would be in trusting in God.

O! say can you see, by the dawn’s early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight’s last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
O’er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets’ red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;
O! say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe’s haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o’er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning’s first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner, O! long may it wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion,
A home and a country, should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave,
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

O! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war’s desolation.
Blest with vict’ry and peace, may the Heav’n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto:** ‘In God is our trust.’**
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

It’s a shame that the complete Star-Spangled Banner isn’t taken to be our National Anthem!
 
He has a Constitutional right to protest. But he has no Constitutional right to be free of criticism for his actions.
 
The question is, why would so many people demonize him for exercising his constitutional rights?

Seems like more and more today, a great number of people would actually prefer living in a total dictatorship.

I always get a good laugh when I got to the walmart, see lots of cars with pro-american bumper stickers, flags, etc…but apparently these people have no problems shopping at walmart…? Go figure!

I guess it boils down to majority of people today like to claim they are patriotic and they love america, but if it starts to inconvenience them in anyway, or it goes against what is popular public sentiment at the time, then its suddenly OK to do whatever they like? ! LOL
 
The question is, why would so many people demonize him for exercising his constitutional rights?
Because among a great many people these days, it is fashionable to be patriotic and patriotic people tend to look disfavorably upon public figures who do not act patriotic.

It’s one of those unwritten rules that says “Yes you have a right to do this, but don’t you dare actually exercise it.”
 
Why aren’t all the BLM protests occurring at urban city council meetings? I’ve not heard of one, yet it’s the city council (and Mayor) that hires the Chief of Police and sets their agenda on priorities and tactics.

As example, sanctuary cities resulted from city council votes, not the will of Police.
 
=mikekle;14153728]The question is, why would so many people demonize him for exercising his constitutional rights?
Seems like more and more today, a great number of people would actually prefer living in a total dictatorship.
What’s really sad is that there is a small number of conservatives who want to demonize him for it, yet we complain (rightly) when business owners and CEOs are demonized for their position on gay “marriage”, or man made global warming skeptics are demonized and recently threatened with persecution by state attorneys general for speaking their position on the issue.
I always get a good laugh when I got to the walmart, see lots of cars with pro-american bumper stickers, flags, etc…but apparently these people have no problems shopping at walmart…? Go figure!
What’s wrong with shopping at Walmart? They employ tens of thousands of Americans.
They sell products at prices low income and middle income people can afford.
I guess it boils down to majority of people today like to claim they are patriotic and they love america, but if it starts to inconvenience them in anyway, or it goes against what is popular public sentiment at the time, then its suddenly OK to do whatever they like? ! LOL
Not sure I understand your conclusion. The bigger issue is, in my view, the hypocrisy of complaining about social justice issues all the while playing in a city that, while violating federal law, intentionally protects not just illegal aliens, but criminal illegal aliens.

Jon

Jon
 
the issueue that i have with all of this, is that I question his sincerity.

if i thought that he was acting on what he truly believed to be issues that needed addressed, i would have no problem with what he is doing- regardless of how i felt about those same issues.

but has a fiance that is an upper level black lives matter activist who has stated that she needs to get him involved. colin earlier had ‘converted to being islam’, but there was public backlash, so now he just respects the religion. at the start of this season, it was well known that his job was on the line- now that his protests have become news, there is no way that he will be cut. can you imagine the PR nightmare for the 49ers if they cut him? and now that colin is firmly entrenched with the BLM camp- what sort of protests/destruction would occur to 49ers stadium should he be cut (silenced)? now his 12.5million dollar salary is intact.

maybe i am reading too deeply into all of this, but it seems that he may be using the ‘oppressed/police brutality’ theme for ulterior motives. how many people now turn the channel whenever they see him on TV? how many people wont listen to what he has to say because of how he has packaged this message?
 
can you imagine the PR nightmare for the 49ers if they cut him? and now that colin is firmly entrenched with the BLM camp- what sort of protests/destruction would occur to 49ers stadium should he be cut (silenced)? now his 12.5million dollar salary is intact.
Colin already had a guaranteed contract. Protesting for the BLM movement should not void the compensation due to his as expressed in that contract.

As for playing, Colin seems to be a good backup quarterback as seen in his performance in a pre-season game.
maybe i am reading too deeply into all of this, but it seems that he may be using the ‘oppressed/police brutality’ theme for ulterior motives. how many people now turn the channel whenever they see him on TV? how many people wont listen to what he has to say because of how he has packaged this message?
Yes, you are reading too deeply into this.

People’s opinions have already been polarized for BLM. People won’t sympathize with the BLM then and people wouldn’t do so now. Colin did little to change people’s antipathy towards BLM. Kaepernick just incensed people by disrespecting a national icon in a form of protest, not as an obscene gesture.
 
I too would stand, but my heart and soul would be in trusting in God.

O! say can you see, by the dawn’s early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight’s last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
O’er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets’ red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;
O! say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe’s haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o’er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning’s first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner, O! long may it wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion,
A home and a country, should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave,
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

O! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war’s desolation.
Blest with vict’ry and peace, may the Heav’n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto:** ‘In God is our trust.’**
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

It’s a shame that the complete Star-Spangled Banner isn’t taken to be our National Anthem!
I feel like I should let you know that the full national anthem espouses slavery. Francis Scott Key was a slave owner so when he writes “Land of the free, home of the brave” he’s not talking about blacks.
 
Not sure I understand your conclusion. The bigger issue is, in my view, the hypocrisy of complaining about social justice issues all the while playing in a city that, while violating federal law, intentionally protects not just illegal aliens, but criminal illegal aliens.

Jon

Jon
C’mon man. we should let the city someone plays football in determine their right to take a stance? While we’re at it let’s also go ahead and disqualify all of America from taking stances because America and Americans do bad things.

The bigger issue is let us focus on what he is protesting and why, rather than the way he is protesting. It was never meant to disrespect soldiers nor the nation, but it is out of respect for the nation and what our soldiers have fought for that he sits. He won’t represent the flag we hold up proudly because in his mind he’s not proud of it, so lets let him protest.
 
When my father served in the Army in World War II, he had to serve in a segregated unit. When he got back home, he was hassled by the police several times – but he got through it and persuaded the policemen to leave him alone. Yet, he wouldn’t dream of sitting down during the National Anthem. I am so proud to be his daughter, and I follow his lead.

God bless you!
it surprises how segregation is not too distant in us history. There are not too many black Catholics?
 
C’mon man. we should let the city someone plays football in determine their right to take a stance? While we’re at it let’s also go ahead and disqualify all of America from taking stances because America and Americans do bad things.

The bigger issue is let us focus on what he is protesting and why, rather than the way he is protesting. It was never meant to disrespect soldiers nor the nation, but it is out of respect for the nation and what our soldiers have fought for that he sits. He won’t represent the flag we hold up proudly because in his mind he’s not proud of it, so lets let him protest.
I have no idea where you got the idea that I thought the city he plays in determines his right to take a stand. What I am saying is the stand he is talking comes across as staged considering where he plays. He apparently has no problem with the inconsistency. the black on black violence in Democrat run big cities didn’t seem to move him to take a stand either.

I will stand to defend his right to kneel during the national anthem because I believe in free speech. I also will stand up for my right to criticize the reasons he is doing so.
 
Black on black claim is not racially motivated. Police brutality against black men generally is. A few biracial celebrities have made a stand on this issue.
 
Black on black claim is not racially motivated. Police brutality against black men generally is. A few biracial celebrities have made a stand on this issue.
Cite your evidence that when a police office shoots someone, anyone, it is based on race.
Meanwhile, the deaths of whites at the hands of law enforcement typically receive less attention, even when the case is shrouded in controversy. For example, Gilbert Collar, an 18-year-old white student at the University of South Alabama, was shot and killed while naked, unarmed and under the influence of drugs by a black police officer.
washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/

While there are always bad cops, to make a blanket statement like this is needs specific evidence.

Oh, and what celebrities say doesn’t count as evidence. :rolleyes:

Jon
 
C’mon man. we should let the city someone plays football in determine their right to take a stance? While we’re at it let’s also go ahead and disqualify all of America from taking stances because America and Americans do bad things.

The bigger issue is let us focus on what he is protesting and why, rather than the way he is protesting. It was never meant to disrespect soldiers nor the nation, but it is out of respect for the nation and what our soldiers have fought for that he sits. He won’t represent the flag we hold up proudly because in his mind he’s not proud of it, so lets let him protest.
People are letting him protest. But if the protest doesn’t further his cause, don’t blame the people watching the protest. Blame the protestor. Perhaps he or she should find a way to affect positive change. Some protests work and usher in awareness and change, while others backfire or incite anger. That’s on Colin, the guy who promotes peace and harmony between police and urban areas, all while wearing socks depicting cops and pigs… He’s a fraud. No one claiming that we need healing wears clothing that attacks and mocks those he wants to promote healing with.
 
CK has the legal right to protest. The laws stating proper respect do not provide for a legal punishment if respect is not rendered. Free Speech - including protest - is a sacred right in this country. It is not a crime to disrespect our Flag and or National Anthem.

Protest may motivate change or it may be ignored by the general public. It has now been several weeks since CK started and his protest has received considerable media coverage. While there is some support, it is not much. But then again, the Civil Rights protests in the 60s went on for several years before meaningful change in our laws occured. So we shall see if time is on his side or not.

Was he spurred on by his girlfriend? Who knows for sure. What is his relationship with Islam? Who knows. His protest is legal.

But here is why I think he is foolish although maybe well meaning.
  1. America has never been perfect because humans are not perfect. There is always something wrong to protest. He kneels for his issue. We all could kneel for our issues too. To protest a particular issue is to ignore the countless good that America has done. We honor the sacrifices made to make and keep us free even if, at times that freedom is abuse because we are not perfect. It seems that the 99% that is good has be set aside because 1% is wrong in his mind.
  2. Protest is not the same as taking action to make a more perfect union. Protest is simply saying I am not happy. Someone else has to fix it so that I am happy. OK, fine, if that is all you are capable of.
  3. But CK is educated and very well paid. He has the ability to do so much more than just protest. His protest would be seen sincere if he had first had a record of helping to fix it. He is doing nothing more than grandstanding. All talk, no action.
  4. OK, in response to much criticism he said he will now donate $1 million. He has already earned $5 million in his NFL career and is earning $12 million this year. One who earns $100,000 a year would need 50 years to earn $5 million.
  5. But he is still stuck with kneeling for the rest of his playing career as it is very unlikely that the fix that would satisfy him will be achieved nationwide anytime soon because humans are imperfect. We have some 750,000 police. Allowing for shift work 24/7/365, that is more than 16 billion hours a year of police duty. We have less than 1,500 police kilings a year, less than 600 are black citizens. Of that 600, perhaps 30 might be unjustified. So 30 criminal killings in 16 billion hours of duty is certainly something to protest and demand perfection be achieved. If only CK could play football as perfectly as he demands police all across the nation to police.
Yes, there will be some improvement, hopefully faster than slower, with or without his protest. But still there will be a few unjustifed shootings amidst the vast majority of justified shootings because we are imperfect humans.
 
I know lots of people hate Obama but he did say something I think we all should think about.

Said something about how CP and people like him need to feel the pain of many people who lost their loved ones whilst fighting for this country. He also said that people who are shaming CP need to feel the pain of black people who lost their loved ones because of racism.

It’s honestly time to stop being childish and whine about what a guy did IMO, this drama seems so unnecessary.
 
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