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I strongly disagree that the collection should be ‘during’ the Holy mass. It seems so wrong. Collection after mass would be better.
 
Lost4words said:
Collection after mass would be better.
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After Mass? Really? At that time, everyone is leaving, unless of course, you mean passing the basket during the Closing Song! Ha! OK, I will try not to mention Closing Song anymore!
 
Polak said:
Yes I know it isn’t obligatory
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Providing for the needs of the Church, as one is able, is indeed an obligation of the faithful.

And anyone who feels “uncomfortable” by not putting an envelope in a basket at church needs to revisit Catholic teaching on human respect. Such little humiliations show us where our pride is, and that pride needs to be rooted out not made to flourish.
 
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tafan2 said:
I never understand how people say they think there is something unseemly about the church asking for money.
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If anyone finds fault over such an obvious necessity as helping the parish you go to pay their bills, I suspect they’ve already got an entire short-list of things they’ll complain about.
 
That is just a strange thing to feel strongly about. Feeling strongly about it almost implies that you think something is wrong with the Church asking for money at all.

When would you propose taking up a collection?

One more thought: if supporting the Church’s material means is one of the “very necessary minimum in the spirit of prayer and moral effort, in the growth in love of God and neighbor”, why should it not be part of the mass.
 
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Nothing wrong in taking a collection. Whats wrong is doing it during Holy Mass!
 
But why is it wrong during the mass? I made a case for why its proper in my last post: its a key part of our growth in love. As such, having it as part of mass seems not only ok, but proper. What is your reasoning for it being wrong?
 
Doing it during mass could, note could, give the impression of paying for mass, by extension salvation.
But if I read correctly the RCC had tried to curb any practices that would make is appear grace was on sale.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
I see cash as a giant pain in the butt more than any sort of tangible anything.
I’m constantly baffled as to why people who have some issue with today’s electronic technology impose their issues and hangups and mindset onto everybody else who is comfortable with it.
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I guess you don’t remember the days when a kid could work all day shoveling snow or mowing lawns, or some other hot dirty, heavy lifting job to make $3.00. The feeling of a five dollar bill and the labor that went into earning it. The self satisfaction of a job well done mirrored in a piece of paper with the words, “In God We Trust” on it. That the bills in the wallet when held in a hand had a very tangible meaning. That’s the meaning of money. Of cash. I see the divide between us, I see cash as a statement of value, you see it as a pain in the butt. I see it as a moral statement of the value others put on their perception of the talents and abilities given to me by the Creator. You see it as a nuisance.

I’m constantly baffled as to why people who disagree with another’s perception of the morality of something impose their mindset and issues … ah, forget it.
 
rondirect said:
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joeybaggz:
we could get rid of those paid music directors
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Um, you could have let that part out! LOL!
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Being facetious, of course!😉
 
We bring our gifts to God at the Offertory. It has been that way for a long time.
 
joeybaggz said:
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Tis_Bearself:
I see cash as a giant pain in the butt more than any sort of tangible anything.
I’m constantly baffled as to why people who have some issue with today’s electronic technology impose their issues and hangups and mindset onto everybody else who is comfortable with it.
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I guess you don’t remember the days when a kid could work all day shoveling snow or mowing lawns, or some other hot dirty, heavy lifting job to make $3.00. The feeling of a five dollar bill and the labor that went into earning it. The self satisfaction of a job well done mirrored in a piece of paper with the words, “In God We Trust” on it. That the bills in the wallet when held in a hand had a very tangible meaning. That’s the meaning of money. Of cash. I see the divide between us, I see cash as a statement of value, you see it as a pain in the butt. I see it as a moral statement of the value others put on their perception of the talents and abilities given to me by the Creator. You see it as a nuisance.

I’m constantly baffled as to why people who disagree with another’s perception of the morality of something impose their mindset and issues … ah, forget it.
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I think you’re putting too much value on cash.

Like fanatically too much.

I remember raking bags of leaves–big bags nearly as tall as myself–for quarters. I loved to hear them plunk in my bank.

But now I keep track of my pay in a spreadsheet. It’s tangible to me.

Cash is simply a means of transmitting wealth. The meaning of money is what you make of it. As other people have stated many people work very hard for very little money. One man goes out and picks strawberries all day and makes $40. Another man goes out and is an extra who literally stands around all day in a big budget movie and makes $400. Are you seriously going to imply that it’s a “moral statement of the blah-de-bla”

You actually think a piece of paper makes a moral statement, that’s what doesn’t sit well. Maybe too many episodes of Duck Tales where Scrooge McDuck dove into his coins?

What I earn for doing work has no bearing on how my Creator sees me. I worked today for my children, I worked today for outside wages and I worked today to do something nice. The nice thing I did for a friend’s child (a detailed, home-made toy) was the biggest reflection of the gifts God has given me. I’d say secondly comes what I did for my children as today was just an ordinary “keep 'em alive” sort of day since it was rainy. Then would come all my domestic work cooking and cleaning and taking care of the dog. And lastly comes my paid work. Far last. Did I do a good job for a fair wage? No doubt. Did I use talents God gave me? Of course. Did I make the world a better place? Probably. But what was deposited in my bank account has no moral meaning to me.
 
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Lost4words:
Collection after mass would be better.
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After Mass? Really? At that time, everyone is leaving, unless of course, you mean passing the basket during the Closing Song! Ha! OK, I will try not to mention Closing Song anymore!
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I don’t even have one like left for this. This was brilliant.
 
Pup7 said:
Collection after mass would be better.

After Mass? Really? At that time, everyone is leaving, unless of course, you mean passing the basket during the Closing Song! Ha! OK, I will try not to mention Closing Song anymore!

I don’t even have one like left for this. This was brilliant.
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Well, gee (blush), thanks.
 
Xanthippe_Voorhees said:
The meaning of money is what you make of it … You actually think a piece of paper makes a moral statement? … But what was deposited in my bank account has no moral meaning to me.
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You are very good at contradicting yourself as the above sentences (though not sequential in your post) illustrate.

You say cash is means of transmitting wealth. Agreed, but that’s not the issue I raise. I say cash is more tangible than ink on a vapid spreadsheet. You disagree, that’s your right. And I don’t deny that there are places for online transactions. Sometimes they make more sense that a wad of cash. However…

You see, “the paradox of our time in history is … We spend more, but have less, buy more, but enjoy less, have bigger houses and smaller families, more conveniences, but less time. We have more degrees but less sense, more knowledge, but less judgment, more experts, yet more problems. We watch TV too much, and pray too seldom. We have multiplied our possessions, but reduced our values, learned how to make a living, but not a life, cleaned up the air, but polluted the soul. We write more, but learn less, plan more, but accomplish less. We’ve learned to rush, but not to wait. We build more computers to hold more information, to produce more copies than ever, but we communicate less and less. These are the times of big men and small character, steep profits and shallow relationships, two incomes but more divorce, fancier houses, but broken homes. These are days of quick trips, disposable diapers, throwaway morality, one night stands, overweight bodies, and pills that do everything from cheer, to quiet, to kill.” - Anonymous.
This society is yours; a society of greater and greater disconnection from your fellow man. You have a right to manage your money, make your donations, and use whatever means you choose to do it. I have no problem with that, honestly, it isn’t any of my business.

Money is the tangible material shape of the moral principle that people who wish to deal with each other must trade value for value and exchange the best within themselves. It is made possible only by those who produce. This is the moral principle behind money. Christ observed it as a carpenter. That is what you say has not moral meaning to you. Sad.
 
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Hold on hold on. To those who keep saying giving money to the church ‘is’ and obligation, what if somebody would if they could but doesn’t feel financially well off enough to do so? Should they not attend church until they are rich enough to make a donation during the collection?
 
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