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Thorwald
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I fully understand the responses posted on this topic, but I fear the scripture found in 1 John 2:15 & 16. It is so easy for satan to deceive us, and make us think that our thoughts are o.k. Just a thought.I agree. Just because one person has taken a liking to a religious object’s aesthetic qualities does not mean he worships the object itself. He just has a taste for art and likes how the object looks.
Unless of course there really is such a thing as a cursed artifact.
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jblake
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brotherhrolf;:
jonathon
One of the ironies of that destruction, was that it underscored the core beliefs of both Buddhism, and Islam.
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Thorwald;:
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jonathon
If you want a Pentacostal Christian sermon on the topic, obtain Perry Stone’s Satan is House Hunting.
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Lost_Wanderer
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Dude, it doesn’t take a lot of bra(name removed by moderator)ower to draw the line between liking how something looks and attributing the divine to the object itself.I fully understand the responses posted on this topic, but I fear the scripture found in 1 John 2:15 & 16. It is so easy for satan to deceive us, and make us think that our thoughts are o.k. Just a thought.
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brotherhrolf
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I have a modest collection of reproductions of Aztec and Mayan god statuettes. I shared a dorm room in grad school with a Baptist. In addition to the Meso American reproductions, I had an alabaster statue of Athena Nike in addition to a statue of St. Patrick and my crucifix. (The crucifix is blessed but St. Pat is not).
The crucifix was given to me at birth and has followed me for some 57 years. Being Irish, St. Patrick goes without explanation. The reproduction of Athena Nike came from a Greek festival held by a department store in my senior year in high school. I liked it as art. Aztec and Mayan statues were given to me by folks who knew my interest in history and archaeology - as art.
My Baptist roommate freaked out and asked me if I worshiped them. I cannot fully explain the emotions I felt - shock, revulsion, astonishment…that in this day and age someone with a baccalaureate degree in engineering…
Thorvald, if someone gave me a Thor hammer excavated from York or a reproduction of Mjollnir, I would cherish them as part of history and would have no problem displaying either. They would be both art and artifact.
Those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it. Voodoo is part and parcel of our history here. I would no more destroy any voodoo idol…
There are but four Mayan codices left. There were far, far more - burned by the Spanish monks because the codices portrayed “demons”. It is only within the last ten years or so that we have been able to translate Mayan into English. The surviving codices deal with astronomy. What was in those other codices given that Quiche has only been translated within the last ten years?
I am not an Old Testament Hebrew. I am a rational Roman Catholic with degrees in both archaeology and history. I am not about running around and destroying Chaac Mools, Ba’als, depictions of Odin One Eye, etc., etc. etc.
The silence on the topic is that HMC recognizes what she did in the Renaissance and recognizes what the protestants did (particularly in England).
HMC takes a long-time view of things. We don’t burn books anymore nor do we submit Galileo to the Inquistion because he posited something different.
The crucifix was given to me at birth and has followed me for some 57 years. Being Irish, St. Patrick goes without explanation. The reproduction of Athena Nike came from a Greek festival held by a department store in my senior year in high school. I liked it as art. Aztec and Mayan statues were given to me by folks who knew my interest in history and archaeology - as art.
My Baptist roommate freaked out and asked me if I worshiped them. I cannot fully explain the emotions I felt - shock, revulsion, astonishment…that in this day and age someone with a baccalaureate degree in engineering…
Thorvald, if someone gave me a Thor hammer excavated from York or a reproduction of Mjollnir, I would cherish them as part of history and would have no problem displaying either. They would be both art and artifact.
Those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it. Voodoo is part and parcel of our history here. I would no more destroy any voodoo idol…
There are but four Mayan codices left. There were far, far more - burned by the Spanish monks because the codices portrayed “demons”. It is only within the last ten years or so that we have been able to translate Mayan into English. The surviving codices deal with astronomy. What was in those other codices given that Quiche has only been translated within the last ten years?
I am not an Old Testament Hebrew. I am a rational Roman Catholic with degrees in both archaeology and history. I am not about running around and destroying Chaac Mools, Ba’als, depictions of Odin One Eye, etc., etc. etc.
The silence on the topic is that HMC recognizes what she did in the Renaissance and recognizes what the protestants did (particularly in England).
HMC takes a long-time view of things. We don’t burn books anymore nor do we submit Galileo to the Inquistion because he posited something different.
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Lost_Wanderer
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Just a question in jest though. What about a vodoo doll that coincidentally looks like you and what’s more, is wearing a piece of cloth around its neck that came from, oh let’s say, one of your clothes? >.>;;
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jblake
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Lost Wanderer;:
How much objective existence this ki has is debatable. The subjective existence has been amply demonstrated over the last millennia or two. Thus, some have proclaimed that the safest thing to do, is treat its subjective existence as if it is also objective existence.
In the doll that is described, it can, theoretically harm you.
In a Crucifix that has been blessed, it can, theoretically, help you.
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There is this little thing that some believe exists in all matter. For the time being let’s call it “ki”. The ki in one object both affects, and is affected by the ki in other objects.
How much objective existence this ki has is debatable. The subjective existence has been amply demonstrated over the last millennia or two. Thus, some have proclaimed that the safest thing to do, is treat its subjective existence as if it is also objective existence.
In the doll that is described, it can, theoretically harm you.
In a Crucifix that has been blessed, it can, theoretically, help you.
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ricko
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We do have to draw the line somewhere as “Lost” posted. Where we draw that line would, I believe, show how much common sense we have. We are surrounded by things of the world and the bible talks about this dilemma and says of course we cannot leave this world. The Amish decided not to be a part of this world by living the way they do apart from society. We have to be careful not to go on a “witchhunt” that accomplishes nothing. I believe everything in moderation would do. Let’s not pick up a verse here or there and go into panic mode without first understanding what it is really saying and the context in which it is said.I fully understand the responses posted on this topic, but I fear the scripture found in 1 John 2:15 & 16. It is so easy for satan to deceive us, and make us think that our thoughts are o.k. Just a thought.
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brotherhrolf
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Not so much in jest. Blessed holy water is sovereign as is HMC. Voodoo is what appeals to tourists in the French Quarter. Vodun is something else entirely. One has to believe in Vodun in order to be affected by it. I would bind unto myself the lorica of St. Patrick and rest in my Catholic faith.
There are folks who make a living in the French Quarter selling “voodoo” objects to tourists. The practicioners of Vodun do not lend themselves to scrutiny. Even so, I rest firm in my fatith. If I were to be the victim of a “doll”, it would be so rare a find that I would donate it to the anthropology department of my baccalaureate university for study. Life is hard and sad enough without worrying about someone casting a gris-gris on you.
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