Colossians 2:16-19

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How do Churches, not just Catholic but all, that require sustaining from certian foods weather it be always or during specified times think this does not apply to them?

16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. 19He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.
 
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  1. *]To keep in existence; maintain.
    *]To supply with necessities or nourishment; provide for.
    *]To support from below; keep from falling or sinking; prop.
    *]To support the spirits, vitality, or resolution of; encourage.
    *]To bear up under; withstand: can’t sustain the blistering heat.
    *]To experience or suffer: sustained a fatal injury.
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    How does one sustain from?
 
I believe the word you are looking for is abstain… How do Churches, not just Catholic but all, that require abstaining from certian foods whether it be always or during specified times think this does not apply to them?

OK… I am going to attempt an answer to the question as i understand it…

We abstain from meat for example as a practice on Fridays to unite any suffering with that suffering of Christ on the cross. Yes Jesus taught us that it is what comes out of us (words and thoughts) that make us unclean, as opposed to the old Jewish laws on cleanliness where there were dietary restrictions about pork for example. However, it is a discipline of Catholics to abstain from meat on all Fridays so that we may offer up a small sacrifice for Jesus’s large sacrifice for us… it is a way of reminding us of what Christ did for us. No where in the Bible does it say we will die and burn in hell if we forget or even if we ignore it… but really… he gave his life for us… remembering, honoring or uniting our sufferings… is such a small thing compared to what he did for us… how do you think you would feel if people couldn’t or wouldn’t honor you if you were Christ?
 
Yes, Because it is referenced throughout the New testament many times. But it’s a personal issue not something that should be cookie cutter service, in my opinion.
cfrancis said:
Do you advocate fasting?
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dougfreed said:
Yes, Because it is referenced throughout the New testament many times. But it’s a personal issue not something that should be cookie cutter service, in my opinion.
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GREAT! How great is it then, that milliions of Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants personally decide to fast on Fridays, Wenesdays, and during Lent? They don’t have to, but, they personally decide to do because Catholics of the New Testament fasted and advocated fasting.

Here’s why you’re initial post fails: You’re trying to fit the Church into that passage which doesn’t work because the Church does not judge anybody by what they eat or drink. If somebody wants to be a vegitarian, fine; if somebody wants to be on the Twinkies and Tab diet they are still Christian, just as much as somebody who is a vegitarian or somebody who eats pork at every meal.
 
The Catholic Church I left surely did prosecute you if you did not follow this it was not an option as you say. I’m finding many things that the church i was with are different than general CC here on this board. Are there different versions of Catholicism.
adstrinity said:
GREAT! How great is it then, that milliions of Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants personally decide to fast on Fridays, Wenesdays, and during Lent? They don’t have to, but, they personally decide to do because Catholics of the New Testament fasted and advocated fasting.

Here’s why you’re initial post fails: You’re trying to fit the Church into that passage which doesn’t work because the Church does not judge anybody by what they eat or drink. If somebody wants to be a vegitarian, fine; if somebody wants to be on the Twinkies and Tab diet they are still Christian, just as much as somebody who is a vegitarian or somebody who eats pork at every meal.
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dougfreed said:
The Catholic Church I left surely did prosecute you if you did not follow this it was not an option as you say. I’m finding many things that the church i was with are different than general CC here on this board. Are there different versions of Catholicism.
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Hi Dougfreed:

What is it about abstaining from meat, for example, on Fridays (or electing another form of penance in lieu thereof) as a rememberance/respect of Christ’s passion/crucifiction that you find offensive? Is it that you are adverse to a Church establishment of that tradition (however well intended)? The Church is led by the successors to Peter and the Apostles who were expressly given authority to bind and lose. They have used that authority to build the visible Church.

One can be Catholic and choose to ignore these traditions (including ignoring stated obligations such as Sunday worship, participating in the Eucharist at least one a year), but do so at their own peril - as its an issue of their own standing with God.

Its really a question of whether one takes Christ at his word when he created the Church through the authority of Peter and the apostles and promised it withstand the gates of Hell. If one believes it, then they are in rebellion against God when the consciously leave the Church - if they don’t believe it, then the larger question is how much of the gospel and scriptures does that person feel comfortable ignoring as untrue - which is true, and what is the basis for the distinction?

Blessings,

Brian
 
Brian,
Are there different versions of Catholicism?
You say I could ignore these** traditions** but I say if the Bible clearly states don’t do It on the corner then I shouldn’t. There are a few places that talk about all thing being good because God gave them. I am talking of lent here. I think fasting is fine just believe it should be private. What about ash weds and ashes on the head, where is this in the bible.

Am I to understand that you think if the church(Pope,Rome,Congregation) make a doctrine that says every thurs you should wear brown to remember Jesus’ ride in on the donkey you would just do it? This is not meant to insult or make any1 mad just a better understanding on how what is not biblical has to be practiced, or at their own peril they will suffer - as its an issue of their own standing with God, even though God, Christ, or even the Apostles never told us to do it.
God Blesses Us
Robbinson said:
Hi Dougfreed:

What is it about abstaining from meat, for example, on Fridays (or electing another form of penance in lieu thereof) as a rememberance/respect of Christ’s passion/crucifiction that you find offensive? Is it that you are adverse to a Church establishment of that tradition (however well intended)? The Church is led by the successors to Peter and the Apostles who were expressly given authority to bind and lose. They have used that authority to build the visible Church.

**One can be Catholic and choose to ignore these traditions (including ignoring stated obligations such as Sunday worship, participating in the Eucharist at least one a year), but do so at their own peril - as its an issue of their own standing with God.
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Its really a question of whether one takes Christ at his word when he created the Church through the authority of Peter and the apostles and promised it withstand the gates of Hell. If one believes it, then they are in rebellion against God when the consciously leave the Church - if they don’t believe it, then the larger question is how much of the gospel and scriptures does that person feel comfortable ignoring as untrue - which is true, and what is the basis for the distinction?

Blessings,

Brian
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Yes, Because it is referenced throughout the New testament many times. But it’s a personal issue not something that should be cookie cutter service, in my opinion.

**Don’t you think that after 2000 years, the Church would know the regimen of fasting that brings the most spiritual benefit to normal healthy people? (Obviously, there are exceptions here.)

And your opinion does not matter. If the Church has authority to bind and loose, it has the authority to impose a fast.**
 
Don’t you think that after 2000 years, the Church would know the regimen of fasting that brings the most spiritual benefit to normal healthy people? NO! I do not believe ALL that the CC teaches. If there is scripture that says whoa this is bent, then guess what I don’t either. And you are right sorta, my opinion doesn’t matter but Gods does though.
bpbasilphx said:
Yes, Because it is referenced throughout the New testament many times. But it’s a personal issue not something that should be cookie cutter service, in my opinion.

**Don’t you think that after 2000 years, the Church would know the regimen of fasting that brings the most spiritual benefit to normal healthy people? (Obviously, there are exceptions here.)

And your opinion does not matter. If the Church has authority to bind and loose, it has the authority to impose a fast.**
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dougfreed said:
Am I to understand that you think if the church(Pope,Rome,Congregation) make a doctrine that says every thurs you should wear brown to remember Jesus’ ride in on the donkey you would just do it?
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Not a doctrine no. Nor is it a doctrine that we shouldn’t eat meat on Fridays.

You could say that there’s an underlying doctrine, that we should follow lawful authority. But not eating meat on Friday is not a doctrine but a discipline that can change – and in fact did change not so long ago (used to be, No meat on Fridays, but now if it isn’t Lent we’re allowed to choose some other penance on Friday instead of refraining from meat).

BTW, bpbasilphx is an Orthodox poster, if memory serves.
 
Could you define Lent and show proof of Lent using The Bible or is it a discipline/authority thing also?
Peter_J said:
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Not a doctrine no. Nor is it a doctrine that we shouldn’t eat meat on Fridays.

You could say that there’s an underlying doctrine, that we should follow lawful authority. But not eating meat on Friday is not a doctrine but a discipline that can change – and in fact did change not so long ago (used to be, No meat on Fridays, but now if it isn’t Lent we’re allowed to choose some other penance on Friday instead of refraining from meat).

BTW, bpbasilphx is an Orthodox poster, if memory serves.
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dougfreed said:
Could you define Lent and show proof of Lent using The Bible or is it a discipline/authority thing also?
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Lent is remembering Jesus during his 40 days in the desert before he began his public ministry. According to the Bible, He fasted completely during those 40 days. The Church only asks us to fast one day per week during that 40 days, but for the duration of the 40 days we can either choose to abstain from something else (I gave up my blue jeans one year and only wore skirts/dresses for Lent) or do additional prayer/Scripture study.
 
OH OK God Bless!! 😃
Pixie_Dust said:
Lent is remembering Jesus during his 40 days in the desert before he began his public ministry. According to the Bible, He fasted completely during those 40 days. The Church only asks us to fast one day per week during that 40 days, but for the duration of the 40 days we can either choose to abstain from something else (I gave up my blue jeans one year and only wore skirts/dresses for Lent) or do additional prayer/Scripture study.
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