Columbine Dad blames abortion, evolution and secularism

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I saw him tonight on O’Reilly Factor and he was a wonderful spokesperson for life issues. I was amazed that CBS ever gave him even 5 minutes of air time. Could it be that MSM is ready to air opposing views?
 
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I saw him tonight on O’Reilly Factor and he was a wonderful spokesperson for life issues. I was amazed that CBS ever gave him even 5 minutes of air time. Could it be that MSM is ready to air opposing views?
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I saw him tonight as well and started cheering loudly at his remarks. He was articulate an unafraid, even in the face of Bill’s questions. I found the whole explanation of how evolution factored into his “speech” on CBS fascinating. I was unaware that the perpetrators of that horrific crime were influenced by evolution theory.
 
Hmm… I never heard news reports of evolutionary biologists going on killing sprees. I hate it when people blame evolution for the alledged “moral decay” of society.
 
I don’t think he was blaming evolution.

He was blaming the lack of recognition in public education arenas that God created humans. God may have used monophyletic evolution or He may have used polyphyletic evolution, but He did the creating. Humans didn’t come into existence outside of God. If they did, then they’re just part of the animal milieu and no more worthy to live than mosquitoes.
 
I stopped reading at “and life has no value.” Clearly he does not care to see those who beleive in evolution as either individuals with their own opinions, or even potential good people. But then again, I beleive in evolution so I don’t value life and am immoral. So I might not know what I’m talking about.:rolleyes:
 
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I don’t think he was blaming evolution.

He was blaming the lack of recognition in public education arenas that God created humans.
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If someone forced my kids to learn someone’s particular religion, after I had paid the state for the priveledge, I’d be pissed beyond fury. I am not a parent, but if I ever have kids, spirituality and religion will be something personal between myself and them. School is for the learning of science, math, writing, reading, and other empirical subjects, not for other people than their parents to shape the beleifs of kids.

And before someone shoots it out, those science professors who try to force their students to alter their own beleifs to favor scientific teachings over religion are few and far between. I never had a teacher in my life that did anything but teach me current scientific thought, and at no time did they tell anyone that beleif in a higher power is wrong. It’s not their job, just as it isn’t the job of the Church to interfere in state-funded education.
 
Liberalsaved said:
School is for the learning of science, math, writing, reading, and other empirical subjects, not for other people than their parents to shape the beleifs of kids.
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Haha - if only. :rolleyes:

Sorry to be sarcastic :tsktsk: but IMHO school hasn’t hasn’t quite been entirely about empirical learning for some time.

I too believe in “evolution”, we are free as Christians to believe in the theory, but hold that something (Someone) greater put all the pieces in motion. Anything less is dehumanizing, which is exactly how one can take innocent life without regret or care. It’s not only Columbine we’re dealing with here…😦
 
I always wonder why no one looks at the parents of the killers of Columbine. Why didn’t these parents know their sons were making bombs and having guns in their homes???

How come these parents are protected by the media?? No one ever talks about them. We never hear a thing. Why??
 
Jennifer123 said:
I too believe in “evolution”, we are free as Christians to believe in the theory, but hold that something (Someone) greater put all the pieces in motion. Anything less is dehumanizing, which is exactly how one can take innocent life without regret or care. It’s not only Columbine we’re dealing with here…😦
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I’m Agnostic, and I couldn’t take innocent life. I think the non-christians capable of such things are the exception to the rule. In general most of us are simply human beings who really do want to leave peacefully in the world.
 
To clarify (although I can’t find a transcript or video on the net), what Mr. Rohrbough said regarding evolution is that the 2 boys who committed the murders at Columbine had books and notebooks in their basement with notes on evolution and the idea of “natural selection”. According to Mr. Rohrbough, one of the killers was wearing a t-shirt with those exact words on it. He claims that there are numerous documents explaining the obsession the killers had with this twisted idea of evolution and how he has been fighting to have those documents released for the public’s view. He was not trying to make an argument against evolution itself.
 
blessedtoo said:
To clarify (although I can’t find a transcript or video on the net), what Mr. Rohrbough said regarding evolution is that the 2 boys who committed the murders at Columbine had books and notebooks in their basement with notes on evolution and the idea of “natural selection”. According to Mr. Rohrbough, one of the killers was wearing a t-shirt with those exact words on it. He claims that there are numerous documents explaining the obsession the killers had with this twisted idea of evolution and how he has been fighting to have those documents released for the public’s view. He was not trying to make an argument against evolution itself.
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Ah. Well, when I hear how immoral I am from people who don’t know me all the time, you can’t blame me for getting a little hot under the collar.
 
Liberalsaved said:
Ah. Well, when I hear how immoral I am from people who don’t know me all the time, you can’t blame me for getting a little hot under the collar.
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Well, I don’t know you personally, that’s true. But I sure have gotten to know you round these parts for awhile now. Seems to me like hot under the collar is kind of a frequent condition for you! But then, you are a self-admitted agnostic on a Catholic forum! 👍 Seems inevitable.🙂
 
blessedtoo said:
Well, I don’t know you personally, that’s true. But I sure have gotten to know you round these parts for awhile now. Seems to me like hot under the collar is kind of a frequent condition for you! But then, you are a self-admitted agnostic on a Catholic forum! 👍 Seems inevitable.🙂
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Heh. Nah, I haven’t gotten mad here. You’d know it beyond the shadow of a doubt.
 
Liberalsaved said:
I’m Agnostic, and I couldn’t take innocent life. I think the non-christians capable of such things are the exception to the rule. In general most of us are simply human beings who really do want to leave peacefully in the world.
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I also think that most non-Christians (BTW - the “C” in Christian should always be capitalized out of respect, if not only because it’s a proper noun 😃 ) are respectful of humanity, in general, BUT I wonder to what do they attribute their mores?
 
Jennifer123 said:
I also think that most non-Christians (BTW - the “C” in Christian should always be capitalized out of respect, if not only because it’s a proper noun 😃 ) are respectful of humanity, in general, BUT I wonder to what do they attribute their mores?
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Liberalsaved:
I’m Agnostic, and I couldn’t take innocent life. I think the non-christians capable of such things are the exception to the rule. In general most of us are simply human beings who really do want to leave peacefully in the world.
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Interesting, normally I wouldn’t capitalized the “a” in atheist or agnostic, but I always such a capital “C” for Christian.
 
Jennifer123 said:
I also think that most non-Christians (BTW - the “C” in Christian should always be capitalized out of respect, if not only because it’s a proper noun 😃 ) are respectful of humanity, in general, BUT I wonder to what do they attribute their mores?
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I’m sure it’s different depending on the person, but I think it’s the same basic principals of not infringing on the things of others, such as life, property, comfort, loved ones, etc, that you would not want taken from you. The only difference is the name each person puts on it.
 
ribozyme said:
Interesting, normally I wouldn’t capitalized the “a” in atheist or agnostic, but I always such a capital “C” for Christian.
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A: I rarely pay attention to my capitals on the net

B. I don’t think Christians (there you go) are intrinsically more deserving of respect than an Atheist or an Agnostic.

C. I think you’re all missing or ignoring the point.
 
Liberalsaved said:
A: I rarely pay attention to my capitals on the net

B. I don’t think Christians (there you go) are intrinsically more deserving of respect than an Atheist or an Agnostic.

C. I think you’re all missing or ignoring the point.
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Well, regarding my rules of capitalization, “C” for Christian as it refers to a title of a man. Atheist and agnostic does not deserve capitalization as it merely describes a system of beliefs that doesn’t refer to anything particular concept.

As a note, regarding my use of the capitalization of “He” refering to the deities of the Abrahamic religions. I do not capitalize “he” when I am refering to Jesus’ mundane life on Earth. But if I am refering to “Him” as an element of the Trinity, then “Him” should be used. I don’t believe in that, but I do that if I am consciencious.
 
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