Combined Latin/English Mass

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Hello,
I have been watching Mass on EWTN and I notice that they seem to mix Latin and English throughout the Mass.“Pater Noster” for example. Does anyone know What is this type of Mass this is called. It seems to be a good compromise between the new and traditional Mass.
 
It’s just the Mass in the Ordinary Form, celebrated as it was supposed to be since Vatican II. We are supposed to know the Ordinary of the Mass in Latin and Greek (Kyrie) as instructed in 1964’s Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy. Unfortunately most parishes totally ignored that part of the message and went to totally vernacular Masses.
 
Such an arrangement is often called a Hybrid Mass, but that is colloquial and there is actually no official term. Any parish or community can use as much or as little Latin as they see fit. There is no set form. EWTN has been doing this for many years. Many churches use a smilar arrangement for English-Spanish Masses on special occasions.
 
I’ve never attended an OF Mass where it was mixed like that but I am sure someday I may get to find one.
 
mds0815 said:
Hello,
I have been watching Mass on EWTN and I notice that they seem to mix Latin and English throughout the Mass.“Pater Noster” for example. Does anyone know What is this type of Mass this is called. It seems to be a good compromise between the new and traditional Mass.
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I asked a friend and he said to say this

Here’s what it’s called:
“A Celebration of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass in the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite, in the manner intended by the Second Vatican Council.”
(See Sacrosanctum Concilium 36. 1.)
 
FatHead said:
I asked a friend and he said to say this

Here’s what it’s called:
“A Celebration of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass in the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite, in the manner intended by the Second Vatican Council.”
(See Sacrosanctum Concilium 36. 1.)
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😃
That’s a long adjective.
 
Phemie said:
It’s just the Mass in the Ordinary Form, celebrated as it was supposed to be since Vatican II. We are supposed to know the Ordinary of the Mass in Latin and Greek (Kyrie) as instructed in 1964’s Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy. Unfortunately most parishes totally ignored that part of the message and went to totally vernacular Masses.
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Under HH Pope Paul VI, bishops’ conferences were given the authority to determine to what extent the vernacular would be used in the Mass. The decisions of the conferences had to be approved by the Holy See. Each conference’s petition was granted. Thus, the all-vernacular Mass exists by the proper authority (the Pope’s authority). Pope’s trump councils, inasmuch as their decisions and documents have to be ratified by the Supreme Pontiff. They are particularly not binding on him in matters of discipline (neither is any preceding pope).

The Holy Father has asked that Catholics learn the “ordinaries” in Latin, but he has not bound us to it in obedience. In my parish, we sang the ordinaries in Greek and Latin, but our old pastor died and we haven’t since…which is fine, until the Holy See tells us otherwise.
 
JKirkLVNV said:
The Holy Father has asked that Catholics learn the “ordinaries” in Latin, but he has not bound us to it in obedience. In my parish, we sang the ordinaries in Greek and Latin, but our old pastor died and we haven’t since…which is fine, until the Holy See tells us otherwise.
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Sounds like he was a wonderful pastor.

Eternal Rest, grant Him oh Lord.
 
FatHead said:
I asked a friend and he said to say this

Here’s what it’s called:
“A Celebration of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass in the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite, in the manner intended by the Second Vatican Council.”
(See Sacrosanctum Concilium 36. 1.)
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correct and we will notice a lot more now that corrections are being made to the slack American Mass coming in November! 😃
 
My former parish had a Latin OF mass twice a month at the 11:00. Almost all of it was in Latin except for the readings and homily. Depending on the priest celebrating there might be a couple other parts of the mass in English. The choir would do a traditional Latin polyphonic mass setting along with Latin chant. For years it was referred to on the front sign and in our bulletins as the “Latin NO Mass” or “Latin Novus Ordo Mass”. I think they have finally begun calling it the “Latin OF Mass”, but I think that’s because there is a new pastor. As someone else has mentioned, I don’t think there is a formal name.
 
Sarabande said:
My former parish had a Latin OF mass twice a month at the 11:00. Almost all of it was in Latin except for the readings and homily. Depending on the priest celebrating there might be a couple other parts of the mass in English. The choir would do a traditional Latin polyphonic mass setting along with Latin chant. For years it was referred to on the front sign and in our bulletins as the “Latin NO Mass” or “Latin Novus Ordo Mass”. I think they have finally begun calling it the “Latin OF Mass”, but I think that’s because there is a new pastor. As someone else has mentioned, I don’t think there is a formal name.
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Surprise, surprise. Novus Ordo parish calling itself Novus Ordo. I’ve always wondered if the protest of the term was strictly online.
 
TrueLight said:
Surprise, surprise. Novus Ordo parish calling itself Novus Ordo. I’ve always wondered if the protest of the term was strictly online.
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This is strictly my personal opinion, but I think the protest about the term began on this forum. I never minded “Novus Ordo” until I ran across the unsavory way some people used the term on this forum. In fact, I don’t mind the term at all except in some posts here. Again, maybe that’s just me.
 
Cor_ad_Cor said:
I’m not sure your statement here is accurate. Care to elaborate?
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Sure let me start with Novus Ordo Latin for New Order. When the new order came out many of the translations were lost when interpreted in English. Such as laying to the priest ‘and also with YOU’. the correct English translation is “and with your Spirit” which is the spirit of Christ:D many other countries and languages didn’t lose the translation nor the tradition of receiving on the knees. If you’re a new Catholic (with in the last 40+ years) you probably didn’t learn the original meanings in English of the Latin (Roman) mass.
I find Mass beautiful in it’s correct form and I’m sure you will likewise love it.
Sursum Corda!
 
TrueLight said:
Surprise, surprise. Novus Ordo parish calling itself Novus Ordo. I’ve always wondered if the protest of the term was strictly online.
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I know… I never knew that there was an objection to the term until I came on CAF, but that’s what that parish used for years. I mean, most people in real life (meaning not on forums) I know don’t even know or remember that there was/is a Tridentine/EF mass and many still don’t know what Ordinary Form, Extraordinary Form, Tridentine or Novus Ordo are. I’ve had people look at me like I had two heads when I’ve used any of these terms… life-long Catholics. It’s not surprising. I never heard of them either until I attended that one particular parish, then attended a couple masses that offered an EF mass. I was in my early 20s at that point who was a devout Catholic all my life before then and was very much interested in religious studies. Shows you the kind of religious education we got in Catholic school during the 80s and 90s. They never even touched upon this. To them, it never existed.
 
2livfree said:
Sure let me start with Novus Ordo Latin for New Order. When the new order came out many of the translations were lost when interpreted in English. Such as laying to the priest ‘and also with YOU’. the correct English translation is “and with your Spirit” which is the spirit of Christ:D many other countries and languages didn’t lose the translation nor the tradition of receiving on the knees. If you’re a new Catholic (with in the last 40+ years) you probably didn’t learn the original meanings in English of the Latin (Roman) mass.
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In defense of the ICEL, the “and also with you” part is something that came out somewhat compromised. The greeting was first translated in the 60’s as “May the spirit of the Lord be with you/And also with you” which made better sense at the time. Then the first part was reinstated to “The Lord be with you” (of which the subjunctive is wrong, the Lord IS with us), and it took a lot of the meaning of the response away. “May the spirit of the Lord be you” would have been more correct in the subjunctive but that’s my opinion.

The Lord IS with you.

And Sursum Corda is “Upwards hearts.” It’s a directional thing. No one can physically lift his heart. :)There is no “lifting” in the other vernaculars which I’ve seen.
 
For me going to EF, and reading the Latin to English translations in the missal will help me personally when the OF responses change this Advent. I just consider them much better and faithful translations.
 
TrueLight said:
Sounds like he was a wonderful pastor.

Eternal Rest, grant Him oh Lord.
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You’re very kind, True Light, and in actual point of fact, he was a wonderful pastor. He was elderly when we got him and he told us, first homily, that the only thing he cared about was that we should all go to Heaven and no one to Hell on his watch. I loved that. He was cantankerous, but holy.
 
ProVobis said:
In defense of the ICEL, the “and also with you” part is something that came out somewhat compromised. The greeting was first translated in the 60’s as “May the spirit of the Lord be with you/And also with you” which made better sense at the time. Then the first part was reinstated to “The Lord be with you” (of which the subjunctive is wrong, the Lord IS with us), and it took a lot of the meaning of the response away. “May the spirit of the Lord be you” would have been more correct in the subjunctive but that’s my opinion.

The Lord IS with you.

And Sursum Corda is “Upwards hearts.” It’s a directional thing. No one can physically lift his heart. :)There is no “lifting” in the other vernaculars which I’ve seen.
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haha funny Sursum Corda “lift your hearts” I would say doing it physically is much easier than spiritually. when you sit up from lying down you lift your heart physically. same when standing. of course being used in ecclesiastical latin it’s the hard work of a spiritual lift:)
God Bless
 
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