Come and know the Lord...Seriously???

[crazzeto]

Lets see, most of John Chapter 6, 1 Cor 10:16 and on, 1 Cor 11:21 and on,

St. Ignatious of Antioch regarding the Hertics 107 AD
"CHAPTER VII.–LET US STAND ALOOF FROM SUCH HERETICS.

They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again. Those, therefore, who speak against this gift of God, incur death in the midst of their disputes. But it were better for them to treat it with respect, that they also might rise again. It is fitting, therefore, that ye should keep aloof from such persons, and not to speak of them either in private or in public, but to give heed to the prophets, and above all, to the Gospel, in which the passion[of Christ] has been revealed to us, and the resurrection has been fully proved. But avoid all divisions, as the beginning of evils. "

St. Justin Martyr, 155 AD
“CHAPTER LXVI – OF THE EUCHARIST.
And this food is called among us Eukaristia [the Eucharist], of which no one is allowed to partake but the man who believes that the things which we teach are true, and who has been washed with the washing that is for the remission of sins, and unto regeneration, and who is so living as Christ has enjoined. For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh by the Word of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is
blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh. For the apostles, in the memoirs composed by them, which are called Gospels, have thus delivered unto us what was enjoined upon them; that Jesus took bread, and when He had given thanks, said, “This do ye in remembrance of Me, this is My body;” and that, after the same manner, having taken the cup and given thanks, He said, “This is My blood;” and gave it to them alone. Which the wicked devils have imitated in the mysteries of Mithras, commanding the same thing to be done. For, that bread and a cup of water are placed with certain incantations in the mystic rites of one who is being initiated, you either know or can learn.”

Whos the Heritic again?

 

[andrewstx]

To Aidanbradypop and Andrewstx:

Yes, I’m sure I’m Anglican, at least that’s what is says on my certificate of confirmation, and the quote I offered was from J. C. Ryle, a now-dead bishop in the Anglican church.

My understanding of Anglicanism is rooted in the 39 Articles and the books of Homilies. Bishop Ryle referenced the homily on the Peril of Idolatry in the article I linked to, but, even though Article XXXV says the homilies are “to be read in Churches by the Ministers, diligently and distinctly, that they may he understanded of the people,” I begin to think there are some who consider themselves Anglican who have never been exposed to them, haven’t taken the time to read them, or simply don’t believe them. Another quote from Ryle from that same article:

The Homilies came out in the 16th century, so the “800 years and more” puts the drowning in idolatry days back to the 8th century, and, as Ryle points out, “There can be little doubt the evil began even before the time just mentioned by the homily writers.”

Of course, as GKC is fond of pointing out, there is wide variety of belief amongst Anglicans, and part of the reason Bishop Ryle wrote many of the things he did was because he saw such things happening in some quarters of the Anglican church in his day.

Which reminds me–the library called and said two of the titles GKC had recommended are ready for me to pick up. I have a feeling I may be in for a bit of shock and surprise as I read them.

But jr you have already said that you are an ex-Mormon, and you are in the
Reformed Episcopal church which is not even a part of the Anglican communion.

No disrespect meant, but If I want to learn or relearn about Anglicanism I would go to the CofE or the Episcopal church, and not any schismatic “Anglican” sect.

If schism is possible in a Protestant or “bridge” church.

 

[andrewstx]

Jr…are you sure you are Anglican? lol Half of my family is of the Anglican faith. Their churches have statues, icons, named after saints, prayer cards…etc.

You are going to go on a vacation with me to the southeast. We will walk into a Southern Baptist congergation and I will tell them I am Roman Catholic. You can then tell them you are Anglican and lets see how much time goes by for them to burn you after they burn me.

Very well stated. I was raised Baptist/Anglican.

I was raised in the southern accapella churches of Christ, the most radically Protestant church to exist.

When I was 17 I joined the Episcopal church, but at 18 I became Catholic.

Due to many problems with a congregation of religious I was a member of I became Eastern Orthodox.

 

[aidanbradypop]

I was raised in the southern accapella churches of Christ, the most radically Protestant church to exist.

When I was 17 I joined the Episcopal church, but at 18 I became Catholic.

Due to many problems with a congregation of religious I was a member of I became Eastern Orthodox.

I have a really good friend who is an Orthodox priest.

 

[Nicea325]

Is that true? If the pastor is inviting you to have a personal relationship as well, how is he saying that God is his and his alone? Does the fact that he doesn’t understand our faith tradition as it applies to the Eucharist mean he’s not sincere? It probably means that he doesn’t understand something about us, and perhaps we don’t understand something about him. Perhaps there’s room for us to share what we believe for the sake of mutual growth. For instance, I am Catholic and I believe in the physical presence of Christ at the mass. But I also feel that I have a personal relationship with God. So a person asking that question at my door would get the answer he was looking for - yes, I have a personal relationship with Jesus. Then I might invite him in for coffee if I had the time. Every time I talk to a Protestant, or another Catholic or a Muslim or a Jew, I always seem to learn something (I have never met a Pagan). Maybe we all have something to offer each other. I think it’s all about getting closer to God, not winning a debate.

Trust me, I totally understand what you are saying,however,many do give the impression Jesus belongs to one and no one. That is my point.

 

[aidanbradypop]

Trust me, I totally understand what you are saying,however,many do give the impression Jesus belongs to one and no one. That is my point.

I think it would be more accurate to state that everyone has their own “personal” Jesus due to a personal relationship with him. That is how it was understood when I was Protestant.

 

[Cmaker3]

lol!

Just pray for him. He’s the one who needs it and to have his eyes opened to truth.

 

[aidanbradypop]

lol!

Just pray for him. He’s the one who needs it and to have his eyes opened to truth.

Deal

But I cannot say the same for the Yankees

 

[jrtrent]

But jr you have already said that you are an ex-Mormon, and you are in the
Reformed Episcopal church which is not even a part of the Anglican communion.

I am an ex-Mormon, but am not in the Reformed Episcopal Church, though I find much to appreciate in their teachings and have quoted from documents at their website.

No disrespect meant, but If I want to learn or relearn about Anglicanism I would go to the CofE or the Episcopal church, and not any schismatic “Anglican” sect.

No offense taken, and I can certainly understand why you’d want to go to the older, larger, more established Anglican bodies for information on Anglicanism. I would only point out that many of the schismatic sects exist for the same reason the Orthodox Presbyterian Church exists–the encroaching liberalism and decline in faith and morals led the schismatics to break away so that they could be faithful to their beliefs.

I have to admit that, after leaving an AFLC Lutheran congregation which suffered an internal rift, I very quickly disregarded the Church of England, the Episcopal church, and any other bodies in communion with them as a potential church to join due to their practice of ordaining women. One of the reasons I am not in the Reformed Episcopal Church is because, while they do not themselves ordain women, they are part of the Anglican Church in North America, which allows the practice for those jurisdictions that want to do so.

Not that there’s any such thing as a perfect church, nor a perfect church member. I belong to a congregation that is now in the Anglican Churches of the Northwest. This small group uses as important documents and statements both the 39 Articles and the Affirmation of St. Louis, though there are a few distinct contradictions in what the two documents teach. For example, the Affirmation is not as clear as the Articles on the distinction between Baptism and the Lord’s Supper, and the other five rites that are also called sacraments. Also, the Affirmation mentions adherence to 7 ecumenical councils while traditionally Anglicanism has recognized only the first three or four. The 7th council’s decisions regarding icons and images is not in agreement with the homily on the peril of idolatry mentioned in Article XXXV; however, Anglicans have always looked at council decisions as needing to be weighed against scripture, and not simply accepted whole hog.

 

[campeador]

I’m reminded of John 15:18 “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.”

Thank you for this, Ben. Made my day.

 

[aidanbradypop]

I am an ex-Mormon, but am not in the Reformed Episcopal Church, though I find much to appreciate in their teachings and have quoted from documents at their website.

No offense taken, and I can certainly understand why you’d want to go to the older, larger, more established Anglican bodies for information on Anglicanism. I would only point out that many of the schismatic sects exist for the same reason the Orthodox Presbyterian Church exists–the encroaching liberalism and decline in faith and morals led the schismatics to break away so that they could be faithful to their beliefs.

I have to admit that, after leaving an AFLC Lutheran congregation which suffered an internal rift, I very quickly disregarded the Church of England, the Episcopal church, and any other bodies in communion with them as a potential church to join due to their practice of ordaining women. One of the reasons I am not in the Reformed Episcopal Church is because, while they do not themselves ordain women, they are part of the Anglican Church in North America, which allows the practice for those jurisdictions that want to do so.

Not that there’s any such thing as a perfect church, nor a perfect church member. I belong to a congregation that is now in the Anglican Churches of the Northwest. This small group uses as important documents and statements both the 39 Articles and the Affirmation of St. Louis, though there are a few distinct contradictions in what the two documents teach. For example, the Affirmation is not as clear as the Articles on the distinction between Baptism and the Lord’s Supper, and the other five rites that are also called sacraments. Also, the Affirmation mentions adherence to 7 ecumenical councils while traditionally Anglicanism has recognized only the first three or four. The 7th council’s decisions regarding icons and images is not in agreement with the homily on the peril of idolatry mentioned in Article XXXV; however, Anglicans have always looked at council decisions as needing to be weighed against scripture, and not simply accepted whole hog.

I didn’t think you were of the Reformed Anglicans. Glad you cleared that up. I was starting to get confused, but that is not hard for me lol.

I believe the Catholic Church is perfect, but 99% of the time I am not and that is why I need Christ and Church!

 

[Nicea325]

I think it would be more accurate to state that everyone has their own “personal” Jesus due to a personal relationship with him. That is how it was understood when I was Protestant.

Indeed. But bless their hearts, I know they mean no wrong and I do admire their love for Christ.

 

[BobCatholic]

Look at it from his point of view. You tell him that you eat the flesh and drink the blood of Jesus Christ each Sunday and you wonder why he thinks “pagan”???

Because Christ said so. And we do what Christ says. That’s not pagan.

 

[aidanbradypop]

Indeed. But bless their hearts, I know they mean no wrong and I do admire their love for Christ.

I extremely admire their desire to spread the Gospel and love of Christ. I may disagree with them but I have to give them a big for getting out and trying! Maybe we Catholics could learn a thing or two from them!

Because Christ said so. And we do what Christ says. That’s not pagan.

If doing as Christ commands makes me a pagan…sign me up! lol

 

[BobCatholic]

If doing as Christ commands makes me a pagan…sign me up! lol

Amen!