'Coming Out' Sunday services announced at Basilica

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cecilia97 said:
I agree…in any other career, it’s the results your actions bring about that, in part, determine whether or not you get to keep your job. He might be doing something, but it sure sounds like he needs to be doing something MORE.
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. . . especially since this event is being held in the co-cathedral.
 
cecilia97 said:
I agree…in any other career, it’s the results your actions bring about that, in part, determine whether or not you get to keep your job. He might be doing something, but it sure sounds like he needs to be doing something MORE.
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It make you wonder how in touch the Bishop is. Does he not know this is going on? Does he not understand the impact on the Church?

At every church in the land, there are those who cannot take communion – usually because of divorce and re-marriage. Yet we see the church turned over to people like this – are we expected to belive that divorce and re-marriage is worse than a homosexual orgy?
 
cecilia97 said:
I agree…in any other career, it’s the results your actions bring about that, in part, determine whether or not you get to keep your job. He might be doing something, but it sure sounds like he needs to be doing something MORE.
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I don’t envy his job. He has to not only try to stop them from behaving like this, but also prevent them and their admirers from leaving the Church and becoming Episcopalian, or whatever.

On the plus side, this is the first time they’ve been in the news in several months - so, something’s going right. Yes, it would be nice if that parish could become orthodox overnight - but we’re not going to see that happen, I don’t think.
 
jmcrae said:
I don’t envy his job. He has to not only try to stop them from behaving like this, but also prevent them and their admirers from leaving the Church and becoming Episcopalian, or whatever.
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Sometimes keeping them from leaving shouldn’t be the number one priority.
Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
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Whoever eats 19 my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.
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For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.
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Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.
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Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.
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This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.”
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These things he said while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.
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20 Then many of his disciples who were listening said, “This saying is hard; who can accept it?”
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Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them, “Does this shock you?
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What if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? 21
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It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh 22 is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
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But there are some of you who do not believe.” Jesus knew from the beginning the ones who would not believe and the one who would betray him.
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And he said, “For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by my Father.”
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As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him.
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John 6, 53-66
jmcrae said:
On the plus side, this is the first time they’ve been in the news in several months - so, something’s going right. Yes, it would be nice if that parish could become orthodox overnight - but we’re not going to see that happen, I don’t think.
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At what cost to the rest of the diocese? What are children to think when they see things like this happening in the co-catherdral?
 
I just checked their web site to see what exactly is going on - and I can’t find any mention of this event whatsoever. :confused:

Even more strange, the link to the original story seems to have disappeared.

HMMM - perhaps the Bishop did act. Good news, if so!! 🙂
 
UPI dropped it from the Breaking News category due to rotation.

here is another source
lifesite.net/ldn/2006/oct/06100603.html

sounds like some serious backpedaling going on. maybe a toe was being put in to test the waters and perhaps the tester found the waters a bit chilly?
 
thechrismyster said:
The devil is laughing over this one. I’m sure he’s getting a chuckle over the actions of these people… Why is no one stopping this pro-homosexual agenda in our Churches? Why doesn’t the Vatican step in???
’Coming Out’ Sunday services announced
MINNEAPOLIS, October 5 (UPI) — A group of Catholics in Minneapolis will celebrate “National Coming Out Day” next Tuesday at the Basilica of St. Mary.

Fr. Michael O’Connell will preside over the event, sponsored by St. Joan of Arc Church, as a service is held in the basilica’s St. Joseph Chapel.

“Along with the planned retreat activities, there will be time for reflection, journaling, massage, friendship and recreation,” organizers of the Dignity Twin Cities event said Thursday in a news release. “We encourage participants to stay overnight on Saturday for the full, rich experience of the retreat, but commuters are also welcome.”

Also, this Sunday, Dignity Twin Cities, a homosexual group, will celebrate a noon mass at the Cathedral of St. Paul.

religionandspiritualityforum.com/view.php?StoryID=20061005-112930-5024r
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Massage - say what!! This reads like a parody of the gay lifestyle but the scary thing is that it’s all true and it’s happening in a Catholic church no less.
 
Riley259 said:
Massage - say what!! This reads like a parody of the gay lifestyle but the scary thing is that it’s all true and it’s happening in a Catholic church no less.
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Apparently not, as it turns out. Looks like the Bishop stepped in.
 
jmcrae said:
I don’t envy his job. He has to not only try to stop them from behaving like this, but also prevent them and their admirers from leaving the Church and becoming Episcopalian, or whatever.
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Honestly, have you read their website? They already WANT to be there. In the past they’ve had Episcopalians as their homilists. They seem to advocate changes that would make Catholicism match Episcopalianism. I say let them go. It’s better to cut off your arm that to have it drag the whole body down…
 
jmcrae said:
HMMM - perhaps the Bishop did act. Good news, if so!! 🙂
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Goodness I can only hope so. I hadn’t considered that possibility when the news link disappeared. I guess I need to assume the best, but after watching such articles about Minneapolis in the past, it’s hard to do so.
 
Rocky8311 said:
Honestly, have you read their website? They already WANT to be there. In the past they’ve had Episcopalians as their homilists. They seem to advocate changes that would make Catholicism match Episcopalianism. I say let them go. It’s better to cut off your arm that to have it drag the whole body down…
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I’m sure it’s tempting. But as long as there is some hope of conversion, I guess they have to keep up the faith.

If they do go, that’s all of them - kids, and everyone not yet born - for who knows how long. It’s been 500 years since Luther was excommunicated, and the Lutherans are not yet back. That might be figuring into the calculation, as well. Maybe they are hoping that this generation will pass, and the next one can be taught.
 
jmcrae said:
I’m sure it’s tempting. But as long as there is some hope of conversion, I guess they have to keep up the faith.

If they do go, that’s all of them - kids, and everyone not yet born - for who knows how long. It’s been 500 years since Luther was excommunicated, and the Lutherans are not yet back. That might be figuring into the calculation, as well. Maybe they are hoping that this generation will pass, and the next one can be taught.
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At some point, we stop converting them, and they start converting us. Just how much Catholic doctrine and morals are we willing to sacrifice to keep them in the fold (whatever fold we have, after modifying it to suit them)?
 
Heh. As soon as I saw the tagline from Minneapolis, I didn’t even need to read the rest to know that it was St. Joan of Arc-sponsored. I’m not surprised by anything that comes out of there; I’m merely amazed that the parish has not yet been excommunicated as a whole. And I’m also amazed (and disappointed) that the bishop is allowing the use of the cathedral.
 
vern_humphrey said:
At some point, we stop converting them, and they start converting us. Just how much Catholic doctrine and morals are we willing to sacrifice to keep them in the fold (whatever fold we have, after modifying it to suit them)?
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Good question. What I’ve seen is the watering down of Catholic doctrine and teaching. Many Bishops it seems have had this “hands off” approach and let people do whatever they want. The Church in America is BIG MESS. Deeply rooted in a false interpretation of religious freedom.
 
bones_IV said:
Good question. What I’ve seen is the watering down of Catholic doctrine and teaching. Many Bishops it seems have had this “hands off” approach and let people do whatever they want. The Church in America is BIG MESS. Deeply rooted in a false interpretation of religious freedom.
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We are like a ship in troubled waters, and our compass swings widely. Many will come to ask how we can trust such a compass in these times.
 
vern_humphrey said:
We are like a ship in troubled waters, and our compass swings widely. Many will come to ask how we can trust such a compass in these times.
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We should ask the Lord to tell the seas to stay calm. 😉 Remember that Gospel episode? Benedict once described the Church as ship about ready to sink.
 
bones_IV said:
We should ask the Lord to tell the seas to stay calm. 😉 Remember that Gospel episode? Benedict once described the Church as ship about ready to sink.
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I think the waters will not be calmed – let us pray for a reliable compass and a strong and courageous helmsman.
 
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