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Hey everyone,

I have posted here before regarding atheism and received some well thought out, well intentioned answers. For that reason alone, I thought I would get some personal advice here. If anyone feels that this post is out of place or not suitable, please feel free to let me know. I have no Ill intentions here.

I very recently came out as gay to my mother, who whilst shocked, has taken the news well. We actually haven’t talked about it since then as there has been no need to but I told her that any questions she had would be fine.

As it currently stands, just my mother and two very close friends know. This is fine but I grow increasingly concerned about what to do when in a relationship. I am dating someone currently and while it is still very early, it has crossed my mind how I should deal with family functions. My grandparents have previously been very vocal about not approving of same sex couples. My mother has asked me not to tell them, and as it stands, I don’t intend to anytime soon. I know it would disappoint them and I don’t see any benefit in telling them.

How best should I handle family functions? Any advice is much appreciated.
 
It’s a very hard spot.

You don’t want to cause scandal, you don’t want to hurt your family… you make that known by being unwilling to talk to your grandparents.

Your family has a right to not understand, to worry for you (legitimately), to be disappointed etc etc.

You also have a free will… you have the right to choose what you want in life…but this also comes with being ready to take the consequences of your actions.

I pray that your family has the strength to love regardless…they don’t have to accept your life decisions nor support them…but they do have to love you. I also pray you can love regardless of any superficial anger that might come your way.

It’s going to be tough for you.

What should you do? Well, it all depends on the circumstance and person in the family you need to deal with. Dialogue prior with those that are willing to dialogue so they at least have an idea of why you choose what you choose (if you want to share this with any of them) and with those you don’t want to share with or you know will refuse to continue to love you due to your decision, for the sake of peace since like you said…sometimes it’s not always going to permit anything positive by bringing this out with some… you don’t have to let them see this side of your life at all…and that’s just fine!

You can’t expect everyone to accept this. It’s not a right for everyone around to have to accept this. You need to meet people where they are and love them there and cultivate a peace there.

God bless
 
Hey everyone,

I have posted here before regarding atheism and received some well thought out, well intentioned answers. For that reason alone, I thought I would get some personal advice here. If anyone feels that this post is out of place or not suitable, please feel free to let me know. I have no Ill intentions here.

I very recently came out as gay to my mother, who whilst shocked, has taken the news well. We actually haven’t talked about it since then as there has been no need to but I told her that any questions she had would be fine.

As it currently stands, just my mother and two very close friends know. This is fine but I grow increasingly concerned about what to do when in a relationship. I am dating someone currently and while it is still very early, it has crossed my mind how I should deal with family functions. My grandparents have previously been very vocal about not approving of same sex couples. My mother has asked me not to tell them, and as it stands, I don’t intend to anytime soon. I know it would disappoint them and I don’t see any benefit in telling them.

How best should I handle family functions? Any advice is much appreciated.
Hi Taylorcat! 🙂

I don’t know how helpful this is, but I would just ask you to remember that you have chosen this. You didn’t choose to be gay, but given your attractions, you choose what to do with them. Dating someone of the same sex is something you know will frustrate people you love. I’m not saying you should sacrifice your future for your family’s comfort – but – I’m sure they feel very much left out of the loop, since you didn’t discuss these feelings for so many years, and then you suddenly “come out”.

The larger culture will tell you that their feelings are irrelevant, that the only thing that matters is your feelings. That is a lie, and you know it’s a lie. The fact that you’re posting here indicates that you want to engage with your family without being selfish – that is a wonderful and admirable thing. It’s also a difficult thing.

To them, it’s as if you have had a disease for years and years without telling anyone, and you’ve made a bunch of decisive decisions without their support or advice. Is that upsetting? Sure it is! It’s an assertion that your life is yours, and no one else can be allowed “in.” Now, maybe your family is intrusive or controlling, and your isolation is in some ways justified. But their feelings are most likely justified too.

This isn’t a clash of cultures. It’s a clash of egos. The only victory here is when somebody lowers themselves relationally, as described in 1 Corinthians 13. You can be the adult here, the person who expresses your own fallibility, weakness, and shame first. That’s the path to a bountiful relationship with your family members – though, again, it is very hard. God bless you!
 
Thank you all for the advice so far.

I think part of my concern is that of understanding. I am 26 years old and have had two girlfriends in the past. I never felt happy or attracted to them, but regardless, I know this will be difficult for some members of the family to fathom. My grandparents like to say I will make a great husband one day, which is a well intentioned, nice thing to say but obviously with my current predicament, is a constant reminder.

If things do get serious with a partner I don’t know what I will do. Not being fully open will make them feel less valued, like a dirty secret. Being fully open may mean disappointing members of the family.

Amongst all of this, I just want people to know that I understand it will take time for some people to come to terms with it. I would not walk out on people who have a negative reaction, they are my family and want what is best for me, though we may disagree on what is best from time to time. It took me a long time to come to terms with my own sexuality, I need to allow other people the same space.
 
You must know that it is not a sin to be a homosesexual, but it is a very grave sin to have homosexual intercourse. I am homosexual too, but I live in celibacy and that is what you must choose in your life.
 
You must know that it is not a sin to be a homosesexual, but it is a very grave sin to have homosexual intercourse. I am homosexual too, but I live in celibacy and that is what you must choose in your life.
His religion is listed as “None”, so that doesn’t apply in this situation.
 
Thank you all for the advice so far.

I think part of my concern is that of understanding. I am 26 years old and have had two girlfriends in the past. I never felt happy or attracted to them, but regardless, I know this will be difficult for some members of the family to fathom. My grandparents like to say I will make a great husband one day, which is a well intentioned, nice thing to say but obviously with my current predicament, is a constant reminder.

If things do get serious with a partner I don’t know what I will do. Not being fully open will make them feel less valued, like a dirty secret. Being fully open may mean disappointing members of the family.

Amongst all of this, I just want people to know that I understand it will take time for some people to come to terms with it. I would not walk out on people who have a negative reaction, they are my family and want what is best for me, though we may disagree on what is best from time to time. It took me a long time to come to terms with my own sexuality, I need to allow other people the same space.
That many I, me and my’s is kind of an indication of whose feelings you’re mainly concerned with.

I am impressed with all the responses you have recieved. I agree with others posters: no matter what cards you have been dealt in life YOU are responsible for your actions. Keep that in perspective when you make your decision.
 
I agree you’ve received some well thought out answers and I wish you the very best as you discern the best way to approach the situation with your family.

Mary.
 
That many I, me and my’s is kind of an indication of whose feelings you’re mainly concerned with.

I am impressed with all the responses you have recieved. I agree with others posters: no matter what cards you have been dealt in life YOU are responsible for your actions. Keep that in perspective when you make your decision.
I appreciate the response but please be assured I am not tackling this from a self centred point of view 🙂
 
I appreciate the response but please be assured I am not tackling this from a self centred point of view 🙂
Whose point of view are you tackling this from then?

If you are not in a relationship then why are you worring about it now? You are creating your own anxiety.

If you are invited to a family function and there is not same sex partner to “explain” then why does your sexuality ever even need to come up? If you feel it should come up because you want everyone to know, then I would suggest that you are looking at this from your perspective.
 
Whose point of view are you tackling this from then?

If you are not in a relationship then why are you worring about it now? You are creating your own anxiety.

If you are invited to a family function and there is not same sex partner to “explain” then why does your sexuality ever even need to come up? If you feel it should come up because you want everyone to know, then I would suggest that you are looking at this from your perspective.
First and foremost I am an anxious person, so bear that in mind here 😛

Secondly, I do not want to shout about it for the sake of it. I would rather have an idea of how I will tackle the inevitable than go in blind at the time. Without a partner you are correct, I will not be forced into a position where I need to say something.
 
I think that honesty is the best policy and you are being “straight” (pun intended!) with your Mom and close friends is a good beginning. Only you will know when it will be OK to broach your orientation with your Grandparents. Maybe, just maybe they are really interested in your happiness and will not care whom you choose as your life partner. I will pray for them to accept that you are happy!🙂
 
First and foremost I am an anxious person, so bear that in mind here 😛

Secondly, I do not want to shout about it for the sake of it. I would rather have an idea of how I will tackle the inevitable than go in blind at the time. Without a partner you are correct, I will not be forced into a position where I need to say something.
Since of course we can’t do anything but urge you to avoid embarking on a genital relationship outside of a marriage (that is, a valid heterosexual marriage), I’m going to assume you are asking how to handle friendships that could come to include a living arrangement that your grandparents and others in your family may never cease to find disordered or morally repugnant.

I agree with your wise stance that you do not go looking for social conflicts. I imagine that you are that way generally, and this instance is no different. Kudos to you; that is a gracious and civilized way to live.

What you can do is to continue to graciously avoid giving your unsolicited opinion about the life choices of others yourself. Having gained and kept that standing honestly, thank others to refrain from giving unsolicited opinions about yours. I don’t mean just about your sex life. I mean about your life generally. The less you invite others to comment on your life choices generally, the more you will have the reputation to impose the same boundaries in this case.

What you cannot do is to countenance anyone treating anyone else as a human being of less dignity than themselves. This goes twice over for those who deserve your protection because they have entrusted you with their close friendship. These and those who have no friends ought to have the greatest claim on your unwavering protection of their dignity. There is no way you ought to accept a Christian who claims the right to do anything else. For this is what Our Lord taught Christians to do with brothers in the faith who did not observe our moral laws: “If your brother sins, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have won over your brother. If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, so that ‘every fact may be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector.” (Matt. 18:15-17) Our Lord treated Gentiles and tax collectors as children of God who, although outside of the community of Israel or of the Church, were still worthy of the love of God and the simple human kindnesses of recognition of their presence, conversation, and the like. He avoided conflict, he held gatherings in which he invited the few instead of the many, but on the whole he shunned no one.

Therefore, the way I would handle this is to say, “Grandma and Grandpa, I can appreciate that my choice in this matter violates your morals*. What I cannot allow is for you to treat my friends in a way that is less gracious than you treat anyone else’s friends. John and I are a social unit–that is mine to choose. I expect that where others are invited as a social unit, he and I will also be invited as a social unit. Where others can expect to show affection as they please, within certain boundaries of propriety, we will expect to be able to show affection as within the same boundaries–no greater, but also no less. I can’t demand your approval. I can insist on your acceptance of us as two people who deserve to be treated with the same welcome you give everyone else, even though we are all undoubtedly living our lives in ways that we haven’t vetted with you. Can you do that?”

Notice that this is pretty much exactly the same advice I would give if you were in a heterosexual relationship or even a business relationship that your grandparents thought was morally off the tracks. The way you protect all–your friend’s dignity, your dignity, and your grandparent’s closely-held beliefs–is to consider how this is handled when people have other deeply-held differences. If your grandparents do not socially shun anyone who has a serious moral difference with them, they will probably be able to accept it if you present your situation like that. If, OTOH, they do not invite the second wife of your cousin to their gatherings because they believe your cousin is committing adultery by divorcing his first wife and re-marrying outside the Church, don’t be surprised if you are subject to the same rule.

Of course, the greatest rule when it comes to the treatment of our friends is to communicate with our friends about how they themselves handle these things and feel about these things. That, you cannot know until you have someone to ask. Should the time come, do make it a point to talk about it. This, again, falls under the heading of the Golden Rule.

*Note that I did not say “my way of life violates your morals.” This is one choice on which you differ with them, not your whole life. You probably still share much of the territory of your moral opinions with them. Don’t assume that all has to be thrown out; you’ll want all the common ground you can get.
 
I think that honesty is the best policy and you are being “straight” (pun intended!) with your Mom and close friends is a good beginning. Only you will know when it will be OK to broach your orientation with your Grandparents. Maybe, just maybe they are really interested in your happiness and will not care whom you choose as your life partner. I will pray for them to accept that you are happy!🙂
But of course, they think that same-sex sexual relationships won’t make you happy. 🤷

It’s a false dichotomy to say either they embrace your same-sex relationship or they don’t care about your happiness.
 
But of course, they think that same-sex sexual relationships won’t make you happy. 🤷

It’s a false dichotomy to say either they embrace your same-sex relationship or they don’t care about your happiness.
Hi Prodigal_Son,

I agree with what you have said here. Whilst I want them to accept me in my entirety, I realistically don’t expect them to embrace something they have been against throughout their lives.

Also, thank you EasterJoy for your kind words.

For now, none of this is an issue, I continue to discreetly date as I have been.
 
If your grandparents refer again to your being “a great husband someday” or ask about your plans for marriage, you might gently mention to them that you do not think you are likely to be suited to marriage. They may be disappointed, but they should take the hint and not press you.

As for any future relationships, my personal feeling is that it’s best to keep this as an essentially private matter, rather than asking them to treat a homosexual partner in exactly the same way as a heterosexual partner. It used to be common in some circles for people to bring “their friend X”, without getting too explicit about the sexual nature of the relationship. if you respect your grandparents’ feelings by remaining discreet, and allowing them to welcome you and your chosen companion without expecting them to compromise their beliefs by treating a homosexual partner in exactly the same way socially as they would treat your (hypothetical!) wife, then you may find that it’s all fairly manageable. I hope that makes sense.
 
If your grandparents refer again to your being “a great husband someday” or ask about your plans for marriage, you might gently mention to them that you do not think you are likely to be suited to marriage. They may be disappointed, but they should take the hint and not press you.

As for any future relationships, my personal feeling is that it’s best to keep this as an essentially private matter, rather than asking them to treat a homosexual partner in exactly the same way as a heterosexual partner. It used to be common in some circles for people to bring “their friend X”, without getting too explicit about the sexual nature of the relationship. if you respect your grandparents’ feelings by remaining discreet, and allowing them to welcome you and your chosen companion without expecting them to compromise their beliefs by treating a homosexual partner in exactly the same way socially as they would treat your (hypothetical!) wife, then you may find that it’s all fairly manageable. I hope that makes sense.
It is very likely that the compromise with the grandparents will be a version of Don’t-Ask-Don’t-Tell. There are many who don’t find that acceptable, but in that case there may not be a middle ground that is acceptable to everyone.
 
It is very likely that the compromise with the grandparents will be a version of Don’t-Ask-Don’t-Tell. There are many who don’t find that acceptable, but in that case there may not be a middle ground that is acceptable to everyone.
I think what I was trying to get at is that for a lot of people, the aspect which goes against their conscience is being asked (or forced) to accept that there is no fundamental difference between men and women, and that homosexual and heterosexual unions are the same thing. So that finding ways of allowing the grandparents to welcome the partner as “Bill”, an individual whom their grandson John would like to be present, rather than as the social entity “John’s husband”, might help.
 
I think what I was trying to get at is that for a lot of people, the aspect which goes against their conscience is being asked (or forced) to accept that there is no fundamental difference between men and women, and that homosexual and heterosexual unions are the same thing. So that finding ways of allowing the grandparents to welcome the partner as “Bill”, an individual whom their grandson John would like to be present, rather than as the social entity “John’s husband”, might help.
This is true. People who would not dream of asking an Orthodox Jew to eat pork will still think it is reasonable to ask a Roman Catholic to pretend that homosexuals are capable of marriage or that sex outside of marriage is simply a personal choice. That is the trend of the times, but I hope no one here would defend that kind of imposition on a person of faith.
 
Greetings everyone!

I thought I would give an update on my current situation and welcome any feedback or advice. I feel a bit lost at times so any life experience from fellow forum members is welcome.

So to update, since coming out to my mother I met a girl who I was attracted to, which made me better understand that I was bi-sexual. We dated for a number of months last year but unfortunately it ended. I won’t delve too deeply into this but we just weren’t compatible.

Since then I have been lost in terms of finding the right relationship. I have been pursuing relationships with the opposite sex (mostly through dating websites) and been on a handful of dates but so far nothing has “clicked”.

In the meantime, I am also being treated for depression, which is greatly improving. 2015 was a tough year for me personally (though I’m sure plenty of people have it worse!).

Does anyone have any sincere advice for pursuing relationships in the future?
Can anyone offer any insight into my situation?

Thanks for those that have taken the time to read this!
 
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