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[Teflon93]

Speaking of honesty, one should always read Scripture in full context.

Here’s 2 Corinthians 3:

1: Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you?

2: Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
3: Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
4: And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
5: Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6: Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7: But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8: How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9: For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10: For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11: For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
12: Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13: And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14: But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15: But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16: Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17: Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18: But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

So how is St Paul saying “Do not follow the Commandments?”

Does St Paul condemn that which he simultaneously praises as “glorious”?

He is saying no such thing. He is rather correctly reflecting that Christians are to follow the higher calling, which is not just the letter of the Commandments, not just the “thou shalt nots” and “thou shalts”, but to love as Christ loves.

Do you love as Christ loves, Moondweller?

 

[moondweller]

This thread just causes me to thank merciful God for the Magisterium.

Why? Because there are questions stated here that require you to face and think about?

 

[VociMike]

Excuse me, but I’m still waiting for you or someone to show me where Jesus called the big 10 “My Commandments.” I’ve gotten a lot of opinions but no facts.

Do you believe in the Trinity? What is your understanding of the Trinity?

In your understanding, whose Commandments are they?

 

[moondweller]

Do you believe in the Trinity? What is your understanding of the Trinity?

In your understanding, who’s Commandments are they?

My question has nothing to do with the doctrine of the Trinity. It has to do with whom Jesus was speaking when He said “My commandments,” and just what those commandments are.

Did He ever call the Decalogue “My Commandments?”

 

[VociMike]

Why? Because there are questions stated here that require you to face and think about?

Flesh and blood do not reveal divine truth. “Thinking about” divine truth does not guarantee that we will obtain it, as this thread clearly demonstrates. Only divine grace, in this case in the form of the divinely guided Magisterium, can offer that guarantee.

 

[VociMike]

My question has nothing to do with the doctrine of the Trinity. It has to do with whom Jesus was speaking when He said “My commandments,” and just what those commandments are.

Did He ever call the Decalogue “My Commandments?”

Why can’t you just answer my simple questions? Do you believe in the Trinity? Do you believe in the divinity of Christ?

Because your questions suggest that you don’t. And I thought you might want to clear that up one way or the other.

 

[Teflon93]

Let’s take a look at Romans 6, since we’ve learned not to trust Bible Bingo as practiced by those who lack the apostolic succession and the “valid hermeneutic” it provides:

**1: What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2: God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? **
3: Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4: Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5: For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7: For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8: Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10: For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11: Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12: Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13: Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14: For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15: What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16: Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17: But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18: Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19: I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20: For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21: What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22: But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23: For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Hmm, St Paul certainly doesn’t urge disobeying the Commandments here. Indeed, he paraphrases several in speaking of the lusts of the body.

This is why St Paul makes the distinction between dietary laws and the like and the moral law represented by the Ten Commandments, written on our hearts and enduring in the New Covenant as in the Old.

Put short, St Paul condemns circumcision of the flesh for circumcision of the heart, although even in this he is not inflexible as his having Timothy circumcised to soften the hearts of the Jews as we see in Acts 16:

“1”: Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greek:

“2”: Which was well reported of by the brethren that were at Lystra and Iconium.

“3”: Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek.

Was St Paul a hypocrite for practicing that which he condemned, indeed, that even which he corrected St Peter for doing (i.e. maintaining Jewish customs for the sake of comity)?

No, he was being charitable and removing obstacles to the conversion of the Jews, that they might attain the Kingdom.

Was St Paul damned for embracing a “work of the law” like circumcision?

Clearly not.

So why do Christians of a certain stripe constantly attempt to distort St Paul’s epistles to formulate a new Law?

 

[moondweller]

Speaking of honesty, one should always read Scripture in full context.

I do.

So how is St Paul saying “Do not follow the Commandments?”

Paul is making a clear distinction between the previous covenant made with Israel, and he and the other Apostles being ministers of a NEW covenant, not of the “letter” which kills, but of the Spirit which gives LIFE. IOW, believers are not under the “old” covenant as his rule of life before God; a covenant with “letter engraved on stones” which he calls a ministry of death and condemnation. And for good reason.

He is saying no such thing. He is rather correctly reflecting that Christians are to follow the higher calling, which is not just the letter of the Commandments, not just the “thou shalt nots” and “thou shalts”, but to love as Christ loves.

I don’t see Paul referring to any “higher calling,” but that the believer is called under a whole NEW covenant. That of the Spirit, not the letter. That of LIFE, not death.

Do you love as Christ loves, Moondweller?

I’m not saved by my quality of love, but through my faith in Him. I would suggest that you who want to be under the condemnation of Law would take an honest look at it and flee to Christ in whom there is LIFE.

 

[Teflon93]

Why can’t you just answer my simple questions? Do you believe in the Trinity? Do you believe in the divinity of Christ?

Because your questions suggest that you don’t. And I thought you might want to clear that up one way or the other.

It’s funny how the most evasive people claim dishonesty on the part of the people who call attention to their evasiveness.

Here is the Catholic, indeed, Christian position:

1. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one.
2. Everything the Father has, the Son has.
3. Therefore, the Ten Commandments, which came from the Father, also came from the Son, just as Christ says in Matthew 19 when he urges the rich man to keep the Commandments if he would have eternal life, and in Matthew 5 where Jesus says he comes not to destroy the Law but to fulfill it.

Indeed, the common heritage of the Christian is noted in the Nicene Creed:

creeds.net/ancient/nicene.htm

from which we get:

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
one in being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.

“All things” include the Commandments, obviously, given the account of Exodus 20:

1: And God spake all these words, saying,

2: I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6: And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7: Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9: Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12: Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13: Thou shalt not kill.
14: Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15: Thou shalt not steal.
16: Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ***, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.
18: And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.
19: And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.
20: And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not.
21: And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.
22: And the LORD said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven.
23: Ye shall not make with me gods of silver, neither shall ye make unto you gods of gold.
24: An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee.
25: And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it.
26: Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon.

So if God and Jesus are one, and the Ten Commandments are God, as Scripture clearly indicates, the Ten Commandments must be Jesus’ as well.

To hold otherwise is to believe either that Jesus is not God, or that Scripture is wrong, or both.

 

[moondweller]

Why can’t you just answer my simple questions? Do you believe in the Trinity? Do you believe in the divinity of Christ?

Because your questions suggest that you don’t. And I thought you might want to clear that up one way or the other.

Can you show me where in any of my posts I said I didn’t believe in the Trinity? Or is this simply something you accuse of me? I have nothing to “clear up.” My question has nothing do with the Trinity.

 

[VociMike]

Can you show me where in any of my posts I said I didn’t believe in the Trinity? Or is this simply something you accuse of me? I have nothing to “clear up.” My question has nothing do with the Trinity.

Where? Your question, repeated again and again, about whose 10 Commandments they are, that’s where. Nobody who believes in and understands the Trinity would ask that question.

 

[Teflon93]

I do.Paul is making a clear distinction between the previous covenant made with Israel, and he and the other Apostles being ministers of a NEW covenant, not of the “letter” which kills, but of the Spirit which gives LIFE. IOW, believers are not under the “old” covenant as his rule of life before God; a covenant with “letter engraved on stones” which he calls a ministry of death and condemnation. And for good reason.I don’t see Paul referring to any “higher calling,” but that the believer is called under a whole NEW covenant. That of the Spirit, not the letter. That of LIFE, not death.I’m not saved by my quality of love, but through my faith in Him. I would suggest that you who want to be under the condemnation of Law would take an honest look at it and flee to Christ in whom there is LIFE.

You apparently have trouble understanding that “more glorious” and “higher calling” are similar concepts.

You will not be saved at all, unless you love as Christ loved (John 13):

“1”: Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.

“2”: And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, to betray him;

“3”: Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

“4”: He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself.

“5”: After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples’ feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded.

“6”: Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet?

“7”: Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter.

“8”: Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.

“9”: Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.

“10”: Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.

“11”: For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.

“12”: So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?

“13”: Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.

“14”: If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another’s feet.

“15”: For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.

“16”: Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.

“17”: If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.

“18”: I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.

“19”: Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he.

“20”: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

“21”: When Jesus had thus said, he was troubled in spirit, and testified, and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.

“22”: Then the disciples looked one on another, doubting of whom he spake.

“23”: Now there was leaning on Jesus’ bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.

“24”: Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake.

“25”: He then lying on Jesus’ breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it?

“26”: Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.

“27”: And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.

“28”: Now no man at the table knew for what intent he spake this unto him.

“29”: For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.

“30”: He then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night.

“31”: Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him.

“32”: If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.

“33”: Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.

“**34”: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

“35”: By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. **

“36”: Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.

“37”: Peter said unto him, Lord, why cannot I follow thee now? I will lay down my life for thy sake.

“38”: Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice.

Notice also that Jesus doesn’t say, “This new commandment replaces the old, which are to be thrown away.” That notion apparently comes from your manmade tradition.

 

[Teflon93]

Can you show me where in any of my posts I said I didn’t believe in the Trinity? Or is this simply something you accuse of me? I have nothing to “clear up.” My question has nothing do with the Trinity.

More evasiveness.

Do you believe in the Trinity—that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one in being?

Yes or no?

 

[VociMike]

Here is the Catholic, indeed, Christian position:

1. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one.
2. Everything the Father has, the Son has.
3. Therefore, the Ten Commandments, which came from the Father, also came from the Son, just as Christ says in Matthew 19 when he urges the rich man to keep the Commandments if he would have eternal life, and in Matthew 5 where Jesus says he comes not to destroy the Law but to fulfill it.
   …
   So if God and Jesus are one, and the Ten Commandments are God, as Scripture clearly indicates, the Ten Commandments must be Jesus’ as well.

To hold otherwise is to believe either that Jesus is not God, or that Scripture is wrong, or both.

Exactly, which is why MD’s question, a question he keeps pounding on, is so odd. And a good reminder of how blessed we are to have the Magisterium and don’t have to wander about trying to understand divine revelation purely through our own intellectual efforts (our own “flesh and blood”).

 

[Teflon93]

Exactly, which is why MD’s question, a question he keeps pounding on, is so odd. And a good reminder of how blessed we are to have the Magisterium and don’t have to wander about trying to understand divine revelation purely through our own intellectual efforts (our own “flesh and blood”).

It looks like another failure to understand what St Paul in his ministry to the Gentiles meant by the Law. He wasn’t striving to get Gentile Christians the right to commit adultery (the epistles amply demonstrate that St Paul opposed immoral conduct of the sort forbidden by the Ten Commandments); rather, he was constantly battling the circumcision party within the early Church which tended to view the Jewish Levitical laws as required for Christians as well. This presented large barriers to Gentile conversion, and so St Paul constantly had to exhort the faithful that Gentile converts were not to be ostracized for not having been Jews first.

Even in this, he wasn’t an absolutist, as his requirement of Timothy to be circumcised demonstrates. Unity was a primary concern for St Paul, and no wonder—he’d plant a church one year just to return and find all manner of discord had grown up, as with the Corinthians.

Now we have the unpleasant spectacle of St Paul’s calls for unity being used themselves to sow discord. St Paul followed Christ’s commandment to love; would that all who call themselves Christians would do the same.

 

[mikeledes]

Paul makes what distinction quite clear? Please explain yourself.

The distinction between the Old Law (i.e. Mosaic Law) and the New Law (i.e. the Law of Christ).

1 Corinthians 9:20-21

**20To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law;
21to those who are without law, as without law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, so that I might win those who are without law. **

In verse 20, Paul makes it clear that he is not under the Law. The context makes it clear that he is talking about the Mosaic Law. However, Paul makes it clear that while he is not under the Law, he is not without the law of God. Hence, we see a distinction made between “the Law” and “the of God.” He gets more specific when he says that he is “under the Law of Christ,” thus making a distinction between “The Law” - which he is not under - and the “Law of Christ”- which he is under. What is the Law of Christ?

John 15:12

12"This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you.

James 2:8

8If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF,” you are doing well.

Galatians 6:2

2Bear one another’s burdens, and thereby fulfill the law of Christ.

The Old Law means slavery (Galatians 4:25). Why? Because the Old Law represents man devoid of the mercy, grace, and Spirit of God. The Old Law only served to point to our own sinfulness and to condemn and could not deliver man from their sins (Romans 8:3-4).

The New Law of Christ, however, means freedom, and is described by James as the “law of liberty”, which is an obvious contrast with the Old Law:

James 1:25

**25But one who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, and abides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an effectual doer, this man will be blessed in what he does. **

James 2:12

12So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.

So when Jesus says that His commandment is to love your neighbor, He is saying that the Decalogue are His commandments because the Bible makes it clear that the commadment to love is the shorthand from of the Decalogue:

Romans 13:9

**8Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.
9For this, “YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET,” and if there is any other commandment, it is SUMMED UP in this saying, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” **

2 John 6

**6And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments This is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, that you should walk in it. **

A Paul himself states:

1 Corinthians 7:19

19Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.

God Bless,
Michael

 

[Teflon93]

Let’s take a longer look at Romans 13, since Moondweller seems to ignore it every time Mikeledes posts it, and since it’s the Pauline Year in the Church:

1: Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2: Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3: For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5: Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
6: For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God’s ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7: Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
**8: Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. **
**9: For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10: Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. **
11: And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
12: The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
13: Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
14: But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfill the lusts thereof.

What a beautiful way to summarize St Paul’s understanding of the New Covenant and its relationship to the Old!

What a stunning refutation of the notion that Christ’s Commandments were somehow in conflict with the Ten Commandments!

And yet more reason why the proper response to any who would quote St Paul out of context in service to alien traditions is to quote still more of Paul’s words to them.

 

[mikeledes]

Excuse me, but I’m still waiting for you or someone to show me where Jesus called the big 10 “My Commandments.” I’ve gotten a lot of opinions but no facts.

And where, Mr. Teflon, did I talk about Christian conduct in my posts regarding the Decalogue?

Are the 10 commandments God’s commandments? Is Jesus God?

Secondly, Jesus desrcribes “love your neighbor as yourself” as His commandment (John 15:12) . The Bible describes that as a summary of the Decalogue (Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14, 2 John 6).

Third, where does Jesus say “I am God?” Or is necessary for that to explicitly come out of His mouth in order for that to be true?

God Bless,
Michael

 

[mikeledes]

Let’s take a longer look at Romans 13, since Moondweller seems to ignore it every time Mikeledes posts it, and since it’s the Pauline Year in the Church:

I’m glad I’m not the only one that noticed it.

God Bless,
Michael

 

[moondweller]

Where? Your question, repeated again and again, about whose 10 Commandments they are, that’s where.

I didn’t ask whose Commandments are they. I asked, and ask again, "Where did Jesus call the 10 Commandments “My commandments.”

Nobody who believes in and understands the Trinity would ask that question.

And yet I didn’t ask whose Commandments they were.

Shall I repeat the question?