Commemeration of Pope in Liturgy

[OrthodoxJosh]

I am confused by your question. Our rubrics for the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom don’t typically include a place where a patriarch is commemorated. At my Church, I’m pretty sure the only person we commemorate on a regular basis is our Metropolitan Isaiah (we don’t typically make mention of Patriarch Bartholomew or Archbishop Demetrios). I think my father’s Church, which is Antiochian, does something similar. If I recall correctly, they typically only commemorate Bishop Basil, not Metropolitan Philip or Patriarch Ignatius IV.

Actually, the Antiochians are required to commemorate the Metropolitan unless the auxiliary bishop assigned to that diocese is present. There are no diocesan bishops in the Antiochian Patriarchate. Only metropolitans, and they are directly under the ecclisiastical authority of the Patriarch. All other bishops are auxiliaries whose reference is to their metropolitan. This was a recent decision by the Holy Synod in 2009. It caused quite a stir in the USA where the church shortly before had been granted autonomy.

 

[Paul_theApostle]

Where i live ,the Russian Orthodox liturgies commem the Patriarch Kyril along with the Archbishop/metropolitan

In the Greek churches they only mention the Archbishop,i got it mixed up,
, where i did here the Patriarch mentioned was during the big entrance when the Bishop and priest come out with the gifts during the Cherubic hymn,the Bishop holding the Gifts would mention Bartholemeos,not sure if the preists mention Bartholemew also if the bishops not there

Maybe the Eastern Catholics may mention/commem the Pope because to them the Pope is the head of the Church,as they are in union with him perhaps recognizing his Supremacy etc and the Pope being overall their First Bishop/Pope

Even the Russian Church abroad when they united with the Patriarch of Moscow,i dont think they commemrted the Patriarch right away after union,i was told the people needed some time or that it wouldve been too difficult for them to handle straight away

Orthdox christians i would hear would go into an Orthodox church for liturgy,and then they would hear the Pope being Commemerated and get a shock and walk out realising it was an Eastern Catholic church,

Even if the Orthodox did unite with Rome i believe so many Orthdox wouldnt agree with it and they would leave the church as many are already doing,

so perhaps mentioning the Pope in a Liturgy even after union would take some time to get used to

 

[Vico]

Typically that has been my experience. I would assume that if we were commemorating H.E. Archbishop Demetrios, we would put him first, and if we were commemorating H.A.H Patriarch Barholomew, he would get put first, but I don’t think I’ve ever heard Patriarch Bartholomew being commemorated.

If they were commemorating all of the patriarchs listed in the diptychs, as I think they do at certain hierarchical liturgies, I think they would be placed in order of seniority (i.e., Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem, etc.). Some churches have a different ordering for the patriarchs/archbishops after the patriarchs of those four ancient sees (which have their ranking defined by Canon 28 of Chalcedon), but it doesn’t seem to be a big deal. Presumably, in the case of union, Rome would be commemorated first.

Again, I’m not against commemorating Rome at liturgies like this where it’s normal for the patriarchs of other churches to be commemorated, just the idea that the pope of Rome should be commemorated at all liturgies being performed, even when it is not customary to commemorate other patriarchs or even one’s own patriarch.

The Litany of Peace takes this form in the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom used by the Melkites:

For (our Father and Patriarch N., if present) our Father and (Arch)Bishop N., his honorable presbyterate, the diaconate in Christ, and for all the clergy and the people, let us pray to the Lord.

 

[Cavaradossi]

Actually, the Antiochians are required to commemorate the Metropolitan unless the auxiliary bishop assigned to that diocese is present. There are no diocesan bishops in the Antiochian Patriarchate. Only metropolitans, and they are directly under the ecclisiastical authority of the Patriarch. All other bishops are auxiliaries whose reference is to their metropolitan. This was a recent decision by the Holy Synod in 2009. It caused quite a stir in the USA where the church shortly before had been granted autonomy.

That explains it. When I went to my father’s church, bishop Basil was present.

The Litany of Peace takes this form in the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom used by the Melkites:

For (our Father and Patriarch N., if present) our Father and (Arch)Bishop N., his honorable presbyterate, the diaconate in Christ, and for all the clergy and the people, let us pray to the Lord.

I wonder why the Melkite rubrics make no mention of the pope while several other Eastern Catholic rubrics do, according to the posters here. All of these tiny liturgical variances are rather headache inducing.

 

[Vico]

That explains it. When I went to my father’s church, bishop Basil was present.

I wonder why the Melkite rubrics make no mention of the pope while several other Eastern Catholic rubrics do, according to the posters here. All of these tiny liturgical variances are rather headache inducing.

I’m sorry, I did not give the full picture. There are five possible places for the litany. The Melkites do mention the Pope, etc., after the Irmos (Irmos occurs just after the Anaphora = Consecration):

The Priest proclaims the commemoration of the ecclesiastical hierarchy:

Priest: First, Lord, remember our Father N. Pope of Rome, our Most Blessed Patriarch N., our Father and (Arch)bishop N. Graciously bestow them to Your holy Churches in peace, safety, honor, health, long life, rightly dispensing the word
of Your truth.

melkite.org/PDF/LITURGY2009.pdf

In the Byzantine USA, Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom:

1. Prothesis - Fourth Phosphora

Remember, O loving and kind Master, our holy father (Name), Pope of Rome, our most reverend Metropolitan (Name), our God-loving Bishop (Name), and the entire episcopate of the true believers, the honorable presbyterate, the diaconate in Christ, and all others in holy orders; [if in a monastery: our most venerable hieromonks, our proto-archimandrite (Name), our archimandrite (Name), our protohegumen (Name), and our hegumen (Name)] our concelebrating brother priests and deacons, and all our brothers and sisters, whom you, in your loving kindness, have called to communion with you, O most gracious Lord.

1. Litany of Peace:

-For our holy father (Name), Pope of Rome, let us pray to the Lord.
-For our most reverend Metropolitan (Name), for our God-loving Bishop (Name), for the venerable presbyterate, the diaconate in Christ, and all the clergy and people, let us pray to the Lord.

1. Litany of Fervent Supplication:

• Again we pray for our holy father (Name), Pope of Rome, and for our most reverend Metropolitan (Name), for our God-loving Bishop (Name), [if in a monastery: our most venerable hieromonks, our Protoarchimandrite (Name), our Archimandrite (Name), our Protohegumen (Name), and our Hegumen (Name),] for those who serve and have served in this holy church, for our spiritual fathers, and for all our brothers and sisters in Christ.

1. Great Entrance:

CELEBRANT: May the Lord God remember in his kingdom our holy father (Name), Pope of Rome, our most reverend Metropolitan (Name), and our God-loving Bishop (Name), [if in a monastery: our most venerable hieromonks, our Proto-archimandrite (Name), our Archimandrite (Name), our Protohegumen (Name), and our Hegumen (Name),] the entire priestly, diaconal, and monastic order, our government and all in the service of our country, and the ever-memorable founders and benefactors of this holy church [or: monastery]. May the Lord God remember all you Christians of the true faith, always, now and ever and forever.

1. After the Irmos:

CELEBRANT OR CONCELEBRANT: Among the first, O Lord, remember our holy father (Name), Pope of Rome, our most reverend Metropolitan (Name), our God-loving Bishop (Name). Preserve them for your holy churches in peace, safety, honor, and health for many years as they faithfully impart the word of your truth.