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TARRAT
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All that I read was what shows in the post. The examples are not appropriate. It is true that lady bugs are not harmful to humans(but are to aphyds). But it is not true that no muslims are harmful to the U.S. or any other non-muslim country. That is proven daily in the newspaper.
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cargau
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I don’t hate Muslims. But I am wary of them. I would be naïve not to be. Sadly, much of the terror happening around the world is tied to Islam. I rarely see anyone in the Islamic community to stands up and refutes the connections between terrorism and despicable crimes and the Koran.
So, I take exception to the analogy. Ladybugs do not have a theology that is so supportive of these evil acts.
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GEddie
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I doubt anybody fears Muslims just because of their strange appearance. Westerns and Americans specifically have always embraced things, ideas, and people that are foreign and diverse.
We fear them because of the recent history of brutal attacks on our and friendly nations’ citizens that were perpetrated, allegedly in the name of Islam, hence the overreaction by Trump and others.
If those representing the vast majority of Islam that is nonaggressive would take the time to publicly refute the alleged beliefs that led to the attacks, some of this response would IMNAAHO lose its steam, but that has not happened.
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We fear them because of the recent history of brutal attacks on our and friendly nations’ citizens that were perpetrated, allegedly in the name of Islam, hence the overreaction by Trump and others.
If those representing the vast majority of Islam that is nonaggressive would take the time to publicly refute the alleged beliefs that led to the attacks, some of this response would IMNAAHO lose its steam, but that has not happened.
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Peter_Plato
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DonCampbell
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Catholicism and Islam cannot both be true, and cannot both be good. If one is true, the other is false. If one is good, then the other is evil. Islam denies the Trinity. Islam denies that Jesus Christ died on the cross and that he was raised from the dead. Islam denies that Jesus Christ is the Savior of the World. Islam denies that Jesus Christ is the Christ. According to St. John, this makes the purveyors of Islam antichrists. “Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist.” (1 John 2:22).
There are many good Muslims. There are elements of Islam that are good and true. However, Islam is a FALSE religion. It is a tool that the Devil uses to prevent countless millions of people from recognizing that Jesus Christ is Savior of the World.
Let me say that again:
There are many good Muslims. There are elements of Islam that are good and true. However, Islam is a FALSE religion. It is a tool that the Devil uses to prevent countless millions of people from recognizing that Jesus Christ is Savior of the World.
Yes, I said it. Islam is tool of the Devil and its leaders are antichrists who are deceiving millions upon millions of poor souls, keeping them separated from Jesus Christ and his Church.
The merciful thing would be to boldly proclaim that Christianity is TRUE and that Isam is FALSE. The merfciful thing would be for Catholic theologians and scholars to spend their time elucidating the flaws of Islam and explaining why it is a FRAUD. The merciful thing would be to actively EVANGELIZE Muslims and seek their CONVERSION.
“Any cult which denies the divinity of Christ, does not profess the existence of the Holy Trinity, refutes baptism, defames Christians, and derogates the priesthood, we consider to be damned.” - Sts. Aurelius, Felix, George, Liliosa, and Natalia (d. 852), martyrs of Cordoba, Spain. Reported in the Memoriale Sanctorum in response to Spanish Umayyad Caliph ‘Abd Ar-Rahman II’s ministers that they convert to Islam on pain of death."
There are many good Muslims. There are elements of Islam that are good and true. However, Islam is a FALSE religion. It is a tool that the Devil uses to prevent countless millions of people from recognizing that Jesus Christ is Savior of the World.
Let me say that again:
There are many good Muslims. There are elements of Islam that are good and true. However, Islam is a FALSE religion. It is a tool that the Devil uses to prevent countless millions of people from recognizing that Jesus Christ is Savior of the World.
Yes, I said it. Islam is tool of the Devil and its leaders are antichrists who are deceiving millions upon millions of poor souls, keeping them separated from Jesus Christ and his Church.
The merciful thing would be to boldly proclaim that Christianity is TRUE and that Isam is FALSE. The merfciful thing would be for Catholic theologians and scholars to spend their time elucidating the flaws of Islam and explaining why it is a FRAUD. The merciful thing would be to actively EVANGELIZE Muslims and seek their CONVERSION.
“Any cult which denies the divinity of Christ, does not profess the existence of the Holy Trinity, refutes baptism, defames Christians, and derogates the priesthood, we consider to be damned.” - Sts. Aurelius, Felix, George, Liliosa, and Natalia (d. 852), martyrs of Cordoba, Spain. Reported in the Memoriale Sanctorum in response to Spanish Umayyad Caliph ‘Abd Ar-Rahman II’s ministers that they convert to Islam on pain of death."
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DonCampbell
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There’s also this:
“On the other hand, those who founded sects committed to erroneous doctrines proceeded in a way that is opposite to this, the point is clear in the case of Muhammad. He seduced the people by promises of carnal pleasure to which the concupiscence of the flesh goads us. His teaching also contained precepts that were in conformity with his promises, and he gave free rein to carnal pleasure. In all this, as is not unexpected, he was obeyed by carnal men. As for proofs of the truth of his doctrine, he brought forward only such as could be grasped by the natural ability of anyone with a very modest wisdom. Indeed, the truths that he taught he mingled with many fables and with doctrines of the greatest falsity. He did not bring forth any signs produced in a supernatural way, which alone fittingly gives witness to divine inspiration; for a visible action that can be only divine reveals an invisibly inspired teacher of truth. On the contrary, Muhammad said that he was sent in the power of his arms—which are signs not lacking even to robbers and tyrants.” - St. Thomas Aquinas (d. 1274)
“On the other hand, those who founded sects committed to erroneous doctrines proceeded in a way that is opposite to this, the point is clear in the case of Muhammad. He seduced the people by promises of carnal pleasure to which the concupiscence of the flesh goads us. His teaching also contained precepts that were in conformity with his promises, and he gave free rein to carnal pleasure. In all this, as is not unexpected, he was obeyed by carnal men. As for proofs of the truth of his doctrine, he brought forward only such as could be grasped by the natural ability of anyone with a very modest wisdom. Indeed, the truths that he taught he mingled with many fables and with doctrines of the greatest falsity. He did not bring forth any signs produced in a supernatural way, which alone fittingly gives witness to divine inspiration; for a visible action that can be only divine reveals an invisibly inspired teacher of truth. On the contrary, Muhammad said that he was sent in the power of his arms—which are signs not lacking even to robbers and tyrants.” - St. Thomas Aquinas (d. 1274)
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tuffsmurf
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It is not catholic teaching that islam is a tool of the devil to keep people from Christ. Please read the cathecism regarding non-christian religions.
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DonCampbell
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I believe it is a tool of the Devil. It certainly is not a religion revealed by God. There is only one such religion. If it is not revealed by God then it is a deception of the Devil. Many great saints of the Church have said so down through the ages. Anyone who affirmatively DENIES that Jesus is the Christ, that he is God, has been deceived by the Devil.
Show me in the Catechism where it says otherwise.
The Catechism says Muslims *** think*** they worship the same God we do, that we should recognize the elements of other religions that are good and true (they all have some such elements - that’s how the Devil works) and that we should respect and get along with Muslims.
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While I did not do a detailed fact-checking on this article, all the author’s claims appear to be plausible. I noticed that he is writing about the threat, or lack thereof, from American Muslims, so I think he is right about statistics and such. I can recall a few cases in the headlines of Muslim-Americans carrying out terror or multiple-homicide acts, but I can also recall a lot of cases where the perpetrator was “white,” or shall we say non-Muslim.
If I was traveling or living in the Middle East, I would be nervous, and perhaps rightly so, but here in America I feel pretty secure.
If I was traveling or living in the Middle East, I would be nervous, and perhaps rightly so, but here in America I feel pretty secure.
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DonCampbell
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How do you feel about St. John Damascene?
“There is also the superstition of the Ishmaelites which to this day prevails and keeps people in error, being a forerunner of the Antichrist…. From that time to the present a false prophet named Mohammed has appeared in their midst. This man, after having chanced upon the Old and New Testaments and likewise, it seems, having conversed with an Arian monk, devised his own heresy. Then, having insinuated himself into the good graces of the people by a show of seeming piety, he gave out that a certain book had been sent down to him from heaven. He had set down some ridiculous compositions in this book of his and he gave it to them as an object of veneration.”
-St. John Damascene (d. 749)
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DonCampbell
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Please pay particular attention to paragraph 844.
841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”
842 The Church’s bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race: All nations form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the entire earth, and also because all share a common destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city.
843 The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as “a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life.”
844 In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them: Very often, deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair.
845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son’s Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is “the world reconciled.” She is that bark which “in the full sail of the Lord’s cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world.” According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah’s ark, which alone saves from the flood.
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cheese_sdc
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vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html
You might find this interesting:
“The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems [sic]. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts [sic] to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.
Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Moslems[sic], this sacred synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom”
You might find this interesting:
“The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems [sic]. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts [sic] to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.
Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Moslems[sic], this sacred synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom”
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DonCampbell
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- There is nothing that I disagree with in this document.
- Everything in the document can be true, and Islam can still be a tool that the Devil uses to keep untold millions from recognizing Jesus Christ as their God, Lord and Savior and from joining his Church.
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DonCampbell
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The fallacy in this article is the assertion that all Muslims are analagous to ladybugs. They are not.
A subset of Muslims are actually deadly spiders, only they look just like ladybugs. They live in the same habitat as the ladybugs and look just like ladybugs. They seem to be ladybugs, right up until the moment they sting you. If 1 in 1000 ladybugs was deadly poisonous, but you had no way of knowing which was which, you would avoid all things that look like ladybugs.
A subset of Muslims are actually deadly spiders, only they look just like ladybugs. They live in the same habitat as the ladybugs and look just like ladybugs. They seem to be ladybugs, right up until the moment they sting you. If 1 in 1000 ladybugs was deadly poisonous, but you had no way of knowing which was which, you would avoid all things that look like ladybugs.
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cheese_sdc
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“She [The Catholic Church] regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men.”
Don’t argue with me - if you have issues with a religion that the Vatican Council Fathers “regard with esteem” and “reflects a ray of Truth”, then you need to be arguing with them. lolI’m just a Unitarian Universalist that knows a bit about Catholicism.
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Eric_Hilbert
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Please observe the rules for inter-religious dialogue and debate.
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DonCampbell
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Thank you. I apologize that I got a little vehement.“She [The Catholic Church] regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men.”
I’m just a Unitarian Universalist that knows a bit about Catholicism.
Pleaese note that the document says we “regard with esteem” **those portions (i.e., those customs and precepts) ** of other religions that “reflect a ray of Truth”. In other words, the areas where their customs and precepts match what God has revealed to us through Jesus Christ.
It does not say how we are to regard those customs and precepts that are diametrically opposed to Truth. For example, if Islam denies that Jesus is the Christ, we are not required to esteem that. We know that that Islam’s denial of Jesus’ divinity could not have come from God because God does not deny himself. We also know that God wants all of humanity to know and believe in Jesus, to leave their other religions,and to enter his Church.Therefore, the Islamic precept that Jesus is not God must be a deception that is keeping poor souls from knowing that Jesus is the Christ, and from joining his Church.
I think we can agree that the vast majority of Muslims are “good people”, that we should try to get along, and that where we should recognize the good, the true, and the beautiful wherever we find it. However, unless we are willing to accept that God has made two separate, diametrically opposed, simultaneous revelations to mankind - one through Jesus Christ which tells us that Jesus is God, and another through Muhammad which tells us that Jesus is not God - then Christianity and Islam cannot both be revelations from God.
Peace to you.
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7_Sorrows
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am I not allowed to decide who I choose to fear- being concerned for my own safety and that of my family? we all process information and have survival instincts. I won’t walk alone at night in a bad neighborhood. I won’t be visiting Syria, Iraq, Libya, Nigeria in the near future. I probably won’t be planning any trips to Europe soon. I also plan to stay out of Mexico. I don’t need someone telling me who I don’t need to fear. I can figure that out by myself.
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Son_of_Niall
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Perfect love casts out fear.
Maybe you should stop watching corporate controlled news media which traffics in fear.
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