Commentary: Islam was a religion of love, and the Taj Mahal proves it

[josh987654321]

And from the same Catholic Answers article -

Do Muslims Worship the Same God Catholics Do?

Is the Muslim God Our God?

There are many things taught in Islam that are so radically opposed to what we believe as Catholic Christians, that some will say, "Well, perhaps they believe in one God, but the ‘one God’ they believe in is not the same God we believe in because, for example, the Koran teaches:

1.Women are inferior to men (Sura 4:34)

2.Men can, and even should, ‘beat’ their wives in some circumstances (Sura 4:34).

3.Belief in the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ is false (Sura 4:157-159).

4.Belief in the divinity of Christ is blasphemy (Sura 5:72).

5.Belief in Jesus Christ as ‘the Son of God’ is grave error (Sura 19:35; 10:68).

6.Muslims are commanded to ‘fight against’ Christians and all who disagree with them. Sura 9:29 says:
Fight those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor follow the Religion of Truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgement of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

7.God wills moral as well as physical evil. In fact, Sura 37:94 says, ‘He [Allah] created you as well as what you do,’ whether good or evil.

8.‘God does not love the unbelievers’ (Sura 3:32).

And this is just to name a few areas of major disagreement. We could write volumes on the problems with Muslim doctrine.”

I mean, to my knowledge, this stuff is not ambiguous.

 

[Elizium23]

Question was Fully Known as you have stated that “Islam holds that Allah’s will cannot be truly known to us” which is basically saying the same us “essential elements of His will for us, known to all”

Is it “Fully Known” or Only “Essential Elements”.

Regards Tony

You moved the goalposts in asking if His will could be fully known. I would ask you how finite humans could document the full will of omniscient, omnipresent, eternal God.

 

[TonyBS]

And from the same Catholic Answers article -

I mean, to my knowledge, a lot of this stuff is not ambiguous.

Thus was this post “In Love” or for another reason?

I would suggest you would have to look at the stuff being ambiguous

Regards Tony

 

[TonyBS]

You moved the goalposts in asking if His will could be fully known. I would ask you how finite humans could document the full will of omniscient, omnipresent, eternal God.

We can not, but we can be a Religion of Love even if people do try to move each others goalposts

Regards Tony

 

[josh987654321]

Thus was this post “In Love” or for another reason?

In love, If you love your brother and he is being told by people that the stove is cool to the touch and you have heard countering information, that it is indeed hot, you will want to speak up and let him know if you care about your brother.

I might not have enough information to say that it is hot, but I do have enough to say for certain that it’s not cool to the touch.

I would suggest you would have to look at the stuff being ambiguous

Do you believe the above quotes are ambiguous? and what do you think of them? any cause for concern?

I hope this has helped

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[JimmyDFG]

Thus was this post “In Love” or for another reason?

I would suggest you would have to look at the stuff being ambiguous

Regards Tony

What would be so “ambiguous” Tony?

 

[Reuben_J]

The Taj Mahal proves that Muslims love; it does not prove that Islam is “a religion of love.”

Spot on.

Taj Mahal got nothing to do with Islam. Similarly there are many great Christian buildings. They may not necessarily prove whatever Christianity is claiming. It is plain opportunistic to say otherwise, too eager to elevate the religion from an obviously irrelevant existing structure.

Even if it is, it offers negative picture of Islam rather than enhances it.

The building was obviously built for selfish reason, for his own selfish love of a woman but at the expense of others - the tax payers and even the designer who had his eyes gouged off. What kind of love was that?

What does Islam know about love anyway?

 

[jeffrey_erwin]

And from the same Catholic Answers article -

Do Muslims Worship the Same God Catholics Do?
I mean, to my knowledge, this stuff is not ambiguous.

Mr. Staples goes at great lengths in this article to support our Church’s teachings that Muslims do indeed worship the same Almighty Creator as do Catholics;

#6: To say “This [Muslim] God . . .is a fiction” is to say the God we worship is “a fiction.”

#6: The question is do they [Muslims] adore the same God we do. The Church says “yes.”

#6: …that means that they believe in the same God we do.

#26: . . .the statements of Lumen Gentium, Nostra, and the Catechism are binding on Catholics.

#26: So the Church’s stand remains and Catholics are bound by it.

 

[Servant19]

Mr. Staples goes at great lengths in this article to support our Church’s teachings that Muslims do indeed worship the same Almighty Creator as do Catholics;

#6: To say “This [Muslim] God . . .is a fiction” is to say the God we worship is “a fiction.”

#6: The question is do they [Muslims] adore the same God we do. The Church says “yes.”

#6: …that means that they believe in the same God we do.

#26: . . .the statements of Lumen Gentium, Nostra, and the Catechism are binding on Catholics.

#26: So the Church’s stand remains and Catholics are bound by it.

It’s fascinating to see how much resistance there is to separate ourselves from those we have clear prejudice against, even going so far as to find areas of Church teaching which might (hopefully) back us up in our prejudice, when alas, it finally comes down, to we are there, and the Church is here.

Catholics are turning away from Church teaching to support their own personal and sometimes hateful agendas…



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[MartinJordan]

Pope St John paul II to Muslim youth, Morocco, 8/19/85:
“. . .We believe in the same God, the one God, the living God, the God who created the world and brings His creatures to their perfection.”

Sure. He’s explaining what Catholicism teaches as it always did. He’s educating the Muslim youth.

He also teaches:

“For my part, in the Catholic Church, I bear the responsibility of the successor of Peter, the Apostle chosen by Jesus to strengthen his brothers in the faith. Following the Popes who succeeded one another uninterruptedly in the passage of history, I am today the Bishop of Rome, called to be, among his brethren in the world, the witness of the Christian faith and the guarantee of the unity of all the members of the Church.”

Surely you’ll agree to this too right?

Be careful how you answer.

MJ

 

[JimmyDFG]

It’s fascinating to see how much resistance there is to separate ourselves from those we have clear prejudice against, even going so far as to find areas of Church teaching which might (hopefully) back us up in our prejudice, when alas, it finally comes down, to we are there, and the Church is here.

Catholics are turning away from Church teaching to support their own personal and sometimes hateful agendas…



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This has been going on for hundreds of years. As Jesus warned us of people coming in his name and false Prophets

 

[josh987654321]

Mr. Staples goes at great lengths in this article to support our Church’s teachings that Muslims do indeed worship the same Almighty Creator as do Catholics;

#6: To say “This [Muslim] God . . .is a fiction” is to say the God we worship is “a fiction.”

#6: The question is do they [Muslims] adore the same God we do. The Church says “yes.”

#6: …that means that they believe in the same God we do.

#26: . . .the statements of Lumen Gentium, Nostra, and the Catechism are binding on Catholics.

#26: So the Church’s stand remains and Catholics are bound by it.

But then he makes it clear that they have a very poor understanding of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, even though they profess to follow this same God as us.

I mean, common though, when one can quote some of this stuff out of the Quran which can be wholly opposite to the teachings of Christ, we got to call ******** when we see it, so saying “Muslims worship the same God” without qualifying with* “A very misguided/faulty understanding”* is very misleading.

It’s fascinating to see how much resistance there is to separate ourselves from those we have clear prejudice against,

Trust me, I am the last person you could say that too. I would love to be wrong here, there was nothing prejudiced in what I have said.

even going so far as to find areas of Church teaching which might (hopefully) back us up in our prejudice, when alas, it finally comes down, to we are there, and the Church is here.

Catholics are turning away from Church teaching to support their own personal and sometimes hateful agendas…



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Then please prove it to me by quoting passages out of the Qu’ran that condemns what some of these people do in it’s name and shows that the teachings and doctrines of the Qu’ran are loving and peaceful.

I mean, I quoted some clear stuff from the Qu’ran that didn’t contain any ambiguity, that stuff is either in there or it’s not.

I hope this has helped

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[TonyBS]

I mean, I quoted some clear stuff from the Qu’ran that didn’t contain any ambiguity, that stuff is either in there or it’s not.

I hope this has helped

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

Josh - Lets tie it into the OP “Islam was a religion of love, and the Taj Mahal proves it”.

We can look at the story and go with the intent, or have a different agenda before we start and look at disproving the statement.

So do we use the Taj Mahal as a beacon of Love, or do we rip it apart and try to make it out as all bad.

This is the same as any Holy Book - Enter the pages Looking for our God of Love and He will be Found. Every passage will be explained.

Enter the pages with another motive then the motive can be supported.

I support the view that we choose to Find our God of Love.

Regards Tony

 

[jeffrey_erwin]

Sure. He’s explaining what Catholicism teaches as it always did. He’s educating the Muslim youth.

He also teaches:

“For my part, in the Catholic Church, I bear the responsibility of the successor of Peter, the Apostle chosen by Jesus to strengthen his brothers in the faith. Following the Popes who succeeded one another uninterruptedly in the passage of history, I am today the Bishop of Rome, called to be, among his brethren in the world, the witness of the Christian faith and the guarantee of the unity of all the members of the Church.”
MJ

This has something to do with the thread topic?

 

[JimmyDFG]

Josh - Lets tie it into the OP “Islam was a religion of love, and the Taj Mahal proves it”.

We can look at the story and go with the intent, or have a different agenda before we start and look at disproving the statement.

So do we use the Taj Mahal as a beacon of Love, or do we rip it apart and try to make it out as all bad.

This is the same as any Holy Book - Enter the pages Looking for our God of Love and He will be Found. Every passage will be explained.

Enter the pages with another motive then the motive can be supported.

I support the view that we choose to Find our God of Love.

Regards Tony

islam WAS a religion of love?? Does allah love the nonbelievers? Or people who mock islam and muhammad?

 

[MartinJordan]

This has something to do with the thread topic?

Absolutely. Pope John Paul II talking to Muslim Youth teaching them what Catholicism is.

So, you agree with him right? All that he speaks. Yes? You brought him in this discussion to tell Catholics that Muslim believe in the same God. So a kind response will be appreciated.

MJ

 

[jeffrey_erwin]

Absolutely. Pope John Paul II talking to Muslim Youth teaching them what Catholicism is.

So, you agree with him right? All that he speaks. Yes? You brought him in this discussion to tell Catholics that Muslim believe in the same God. So a kind response will be appreciated.

I don’t remember telling Catholics anything. All that I did was to quote our blessed St. John Paul II and Tim Staples. If you don’t agree with them, please take that up with Mr. Staples.

 

[Servant19]

This has been going on for hundreds of years. As Jesus warned us of people coming in his name and false Prophets

Yes, and where has the Church declared Muhammad a false Prophet?

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[TonyBS]

islam WAS a religion of love?? Does allah love the nonbelievers? Or people who mock islam and muhammad?

Thought maybe Islam for Dummies may help Liked that it was balancing the topic fairly.

dummies.com/how-to/content/mending-misconceptions-about-the-koran.html

This is one of the Topics

God is wrathful and unloving in the Koran

Some critics say that the Koran mentions the concept of love only twice. In fact, the Book mentions the concept of love about a hundred times, if such statistics are really the essence of the message.

After declaring God’s universality, the Koran describes God as “most Merciful, most Compassionate” (1:3). In fact, every single Surah except one begins with this declaration about the divine nature.

God is also known in the Scripture as “Full of Loving-Kindness” (11:90; 85:14). It is with the attribute of divine Love that the Koran most often seeks to directly create a relationship with humanity by encouraging those actions that bring God’s love and discouraging those actions that extinguish God’s love.

Without doubt, the Koran also mentions God’s wrath for those who reject faith after clear signs have come to them, and upon those who are bent on spreading evil and corruption on earth. But, as Prophet Muhammad said while quoting God himself, "My Mercy prevails over My wrath

Regards Tony

 

[Reuben_J]

islam WAS a religion of love?? Does allah love the nonbelievers? Or people who mock islam and muhammad?

No, on all accounts.