Commentary: Islam was a religion of love, and the Taj Mahal proves it

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Servant19 said:
There’s no wiggling Ignatian

It is a fact that I love and cherish every word in the Bible, and am happy to worship Jesus as God.

Could you say the same about Muhammad?

I think not.

I need not worship Jim Jones for he produced nothing, no fruit. I worship the source of ALL good fruit, and Muhammad is one of them.

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You’re changing the subject, yet again. The issue isn’t whether we love the prophet or leader of a particular religion, the issue is your claim that in order to truly love a follower of another religion you have to somehow respect that leader.

The point in bringing up cultists like Jim Jones or L Ron Hubbard was to demonstrate that one can love a follower of a false prophet sincerely and not falsely. I hope you do not respect L Ron Hubbard or Jim Jones, but if you love Scientologists you would have to claim a respect and reverence for their leader.

Are you capable Servent of sticking to a certain subject matter or must you continue to avoid your own words? You even clarified that I was correct in understanding what you had said in the previous post. Here is how your standard of loving Muslims must be applied to Christians. You reject every one of our sacred theological beliefs concerning God, Jesus Christ and the World, you do not respect and therefore you cannot truly love us since you do not respect these ideas. You laugh and openly mock our belief in the physical resurrection, an article of faith which for the Christian is non-negotiable, if it is false, Christianity is false.

Therefore you must admit that you cannot truely love Christians. In essence you limit true expressions of love between people to their own individual faith community in a statement as absurd as what you say when it is simply not true. Individual Christians can and have loved the followers of other religions, including Islam. I gave the example of Nabeel Qureshi a convert to Christianity from Islam. You would have to argue on the basis of his rejection of Muhammad that he could not love his parents, not truly, sort of a glossed over love.

Are you capable of addressing the argument I am making or should I talk to a brick wall? I suspect that would be more helpful than receiving a snide comment or platitude.
 
TonyBS said:
To many to name, not the topic of this thread.

Regards Tony
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Good boy Tony. I had to start a new thread because questions kept taking me off topic.

And I try as much as possible not to stray off topic.
 
Servant19 said:
Lol

Ok. The Baha’i Faith produces Catholic saints. Never heard that one before!

The Saints of the Baha’i religion have transformed communities which were in need of charity and dependence on others, into self sustaining communities no longer dependent on others, but with the capacity to become an ever-advancing community, all guided by the power of the Holy Spirit.

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There are countless charitable organizations that do the very same thing.
 
JimmyDFG said:
There are countless charitable organizations that do the very same thing.
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Yes, all inspired by Baha’i teachings or subsidiaries thereof 🙂

The Baha’i International Community is the largest NGO in the UN, providing sustainable development consultation and guidance globally, all started by the works of Baha’i saints.

Muslim saints manifesting the love of God through Prophet Muhammad offered their own contributions which the world was advanced spiritually from.

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Servant19 said:
Yes, all inspired by Baha’i teachings or subsidiaries thereof 🙂

The Baha’i International Community is the largest NGO in the UN, providing sustainable development consultation and guidance globally, all started by the works of Baha’i saints.

Muslim saints manifesting the love of God through Prophet Muhammad offered their own contributions which the world was advanced spiritually from.

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Charitable organizations are not inspired by the Baha’i teachings …and have been around before Bahaism showed up.
 
Servant19 said:
Yes, all inspired by Baha’i teachings or subsidiaries thereof 🙂
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In reality…

Caritas shares the mission of the Catholic Church to serve the poor and to promote charity and justice throughout the world.

Faith in action
We are inspired by the Gospels, by the teachings of the Catholic Church and by the hopes of people living in poverty. We encourage everyone to respond to humanitarian disasters, to promote integral human development and to advocate on the causes of poverty and violence. We animate Catholic communities and all people of good will in solidarity with the suffering of their brothers and sisters around the world.

Emergency response
Caritas responds practically to humanitarian crises such as natural disasters, conflict and the effects of climate change. We save lives, relieve suffering and help rebuild livelihoods and communities in the longer-term. This allows women and men in the poorest and most vulnerable communities to survive and recover from crises and to live in a safe and secure environment.

Transforming lives
Caritas promotes integral human development so that people in the worst off and most disadvantaged communities are free to flourish and live in peace and dignity. We work to ensure that our natural environment is managed responsibly and sustainably in the interests of the entire human family.

Calling for a better world
Caritas seeks a world where the voices of the poor are heard and acted upon. This is a world where women and men in the poorest and most disadvantaged communities are able to influence the systems, decisions and resources that affect them. They can then live under governments, institutions and global structures that are just and accountable.

God bless:harp:

MJ
 
JimmyDFG said:
Charitable organizations are not inspired by the Baha’i teachings …and have been around before Bahaism showed up.
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I never said “charitable organisations”

Go back and read post #322 outlining the difference between charitable organisations and Baha’i socio-economic development organisations. Baha’i development REMOVES the need for charity because the Baha’i Faith is built around raising up a new race of men and women who are inspired by the Holy Spirit to be autonomous and agents for social development and advancement.

We don’t give to the poor. We accompany and develop the capacity of poor people to never need charitable donations again.

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You know the saying give a man a fish and you’ll feed him for a day but teach him how to fish and you’ll feed him for life.

Others just give handouts but the Baha’is teach people how to fend for themselves so they don’t become dependent and are self reliant and that’s a helping hand out of poverty for good whereas with charity just a plate of food has to be given again and again and achieves nothing but dependency and keeps poverty thriving.
 
worldcitizen said:
You know the saying give a man a fish and you’ll feed him for a day but teach him how to fish and you’ll feed him for life.

Others just give handouts but the Baha’is teach people how to fend for themselves so they don’t become dependent and are self reliant and that’s a helping hand out of poverty for good whereas with charity just a plate of food has to be given again and again and achieves nothing but dependency and keeps poverty thriving.
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You seriously think that is a Baha’i thing?
 
Servant19 said:
We don’t give to the poor. We accompany and develop the capacity of poor people to never need charitable donations again.

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Caritas seeks a world where the voices of the poor are heard and acted upon. This is a world where women and men in the poorest and most disadvantaged communities are able to influence the systems, decisions and resources that affect them. They can then live under governments, institutions and global structures that are just and accountable.

MJ
 
worldcitizen said:
You know the saying give a man a fish and you’ll feed him for a day but teach him how to fish and you’ll feed him for life.

Others just give handouts but the Baha’is teach people how to fend for themselves so they don’t become dependent and are self reliant and that’s a helping hand out of poverty for good whereas with charity just a plate of food has to be given again and again and achieves nothing but dependency and keeps poverty thriving.
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The Apostle Paul echoes these words when he writes to the Christians of Thessalonica: “When we were with you, we gave you this command: If any one will not work, let him not eat”, and exhorts them “to do their work in quietness and to earn their own living” (2 Thes 3:10, 12).

However, : So, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God" (1 Cor 10:31).

MJ
 
JimmyDFG said:
You seriously think that is a Baha’i thing?
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To,teach people an art or a craft so they can be self sustaining and removed from poverty is 100% a Baha’i Teaching direct from Baha’u’llah’s Words…

O MY SERVANTS! Ye are the trees of My garden; ye must give forth goodly and wondrous fruits, that ye yourselves and others may profit therefrom. Thus it is incumbent on every one to engage in crafts and professions, for therein lies the secret of wealth, O men of understanding! For results depend upon means, and the grace of God shall be all-sufficient unto you. Trees that yield no fruit have been and will ever be for the fire.
 
worldcitizen said:
To,teach people an art or a craft so they can be self sustaining and removed from poverty is 100% a Baha’i Teaching direct from Baha’u’llah’s Words…

O MY SERVANTS! Ye are the trees of My garden; ye must give forth goodly and wondrous fruits, that ye yourselves and others may profit therefrom. Thus it is incumbent on every one to engage in crafts and professions, for therein lies the secret of wealth, O men of understanding! For results depend upon means, and the grace of God shall be all-sufficient unto you. Trees that yield no fruit have been and will ever be for the fire.
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These types of works were in existence before Mírzá Ḥusayn-`Alí Núrí
 
worldcitizen said:
O MY SERVANTS! Ye are the trees of My garden; ye must give forth goodly and wondrous fruits, that ye yourselves and others may profit therefrom. Thus it is incumbent on every one to engage in crafts and professions, for therein lies the secret of wealth, O men of understanding! For results depend upon means, and the grace of God shall be all-sufficient unto you. Trees that yield no fruit have been and will ever be for the fire.
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Are those the words of Baha’u’llah?
 
JimmyDFG said:
Are those the words of Baha’u’llah?
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Yes - It is from the Hidden Words - reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/HW/

About the Hidden words;

HE IS THE GLORY OF GLORIES

“This is that which hath descended from the realm of glory, uttered by the tongue of power and might, and revealed unto the Prophets of old. We have taken the inner essence thereof and clothed it in the garment of brevity, as a token of grace unto the righteous, that they may stand faithful unto the Covenant of God, may fulfill in their lives His trust, and in the realm of spirit obtain the gem of Divine virtue”.

Regards Tony
 
TonyBS said:
Yes - It is from the Hidden Words - reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/HW/

About the Hidden words;

HE IS THE GLORY OF GLORIES

“This is that which hath descended from the realm of glory, uttered by the tongue of power and might, and revealed unto the Prophets of old. We have taken the inner essence thereof and clothed it in the garment of brevity, as a token of grace unto the righteous, that they may stand faithful unto the Covenant of God, may fulfill in their lives His trust, and in the realm of spirit obtain the gem of Divine virtue”.

Regards Tony
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He speaks as if hes God
 
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