Commentator "thanking" the priest after the final blessing

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From the General Instruction of the Roman Missal, n. 43: “With a view to a uniformity in gestures and postures during one and the same celebration, the faithful should follow the directions which the deacon, lay minister****, or priest gives according to whatever is indicated in the Missal.”

So I do not see how the commentator directing people to stand can be considered a liturgical abuse. The commentator is following something that the Roman Missal envisages as happening.

“105. The following also exercise a liturgical role: … b. The commentator, who provides the faithful, when appropriate, with brief explanations and commentaries with the purpose of introducing them to the celebration and preparing them to understand it better. The commentator’s remarks must be meticulously prepared and clear though brief. In performing this role the commentator stands in an appropriate place facing the faithful, but not at the ambo.”
The directions are typically hand gestures.

For example: when at the Cathedral for a solemn mass with the Archbishop, the Master of Ceremonies (who is currently the Rector of the Cathedral and Archdiocesan Director of Worship) will hand gesture for the people to stand or sit if it’s something that people are not sure what to do because it differs from everyday Mass.

A priest should not have to state “please stand to profess our creed” or a lector shouldn’t say “please stand to hear the gospel.” If the congregation isn’t sitting or standing when needed, a simply hand gesture to rise or sit is usually more than enough.

But inserting unnecessary words (even if ok) it opens the door for more abuse.

Reminds me of the expression “give them an inch, they will take a mile”
 
From the General Instruction of the Roman Missal, n. 43: “With a view to a uniformity in gestures and postures during one and the same celebration, the faithful should follow the directions which the deacon,** lay minister**, or priest gives according to whatever is indicated in the Missal.”

So I do not see how the commentator directing people to stand can be considered a liturgical abuse. The commentator is following something that the Roman Missal envisages as happening.

“105. The following also exercise a liturgical role: … b. The commentator, who provides the faithful, when appropriate, with brief explanations and commentaries with the purpose of introducing them to the celebration and preparing them to understand it better. The commentator’s remarks must be meticulously prepared and clear though brief. In performing this role the commentator stands in an appropriate place facing the faithful, but not at the ambo.
The commentator remarks are usually for a “teaching mass” where a priest or deacon is often acting as a commentator to teach the rubrics and/or meaning of the mass to the parish.

Also commentators might also be involved in a mass where a large amount of non-Catholics are attending, or example a funeral for a public official who happens to be Catholic.

But there really isn’t any reason for a commentator for a typical Sunday or Daily Mass at a parish.
 
This whole thread reminds me of the feelings I had last Sunday when the kids made their first communion during one of our normal Sunday masses (when my kids received theirs and my wife and I received ours it was always a separate mass). Anyhow, what happens is a whole bunch of people who you never see at mass show up, and also a lot of bad habits. One of these things I had never seen before and really irked me… a man walked in with a large cup of coffee from one of the coffee shops and had a seat with the rest of his group in the pews. Food or drink at mass is one of my pet peeves. Anyhow, all I could say to myself was the serenity prayer as it really was not any of my concern (even though I really felt it was).

One thing I was glad to see after mass though was that he had taken the cup with him and did not leave it on the floor or in the pew like we sometimes see with the kids snacks.

So my take on all this the the OP has stated, just let it go… I know you may feel it is an abuse (possible minor I think you stated) but in the grand scheme of things, are they really offending God? Only He could answer that.

May God bless you all…
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
Living one day at a time;
Enjoying one moment at a time;
Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace;
Taking, as He did, this sinful world
as it is, not as I would have it;
Trusting that He will make all things right
if I surrender to His Will;
That I may be reasonably happy in this life
and supremely happy with Him
Forever in the next.
Amen.
 
I laughed…but could have cried.
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The commentator remarks are usually for a “teaching mass” where a priest or deacon is often acting as a commentator to teach the rubrics and/or meaning of the mass to the parish.

Also commentators might also be involved in a mass where a large amount of non-Catholics are attending, or example a funeral for a public official who happens to be Catholic.

But there really isn’t any reason for a commentator for a typical Sunday or Daily Mass at a parish.
I agree entirely.

This is also the opinion of Fr McNamara in A Commentor’s Role
I believe that such indications are usually only necessary when some special rite is celebrated, such as the Litany of Saints during ordinations or in places where there are frequent visitors from different parts of the world who might be used to other practices.
Otherwise I believe that it is better to leave aside choreographic gestures and indications for regular Sunday Masses. Some of these might have been necessary at the beginning of the reform until people got used to the new rite. But after nearly 40 years of practice I think most Catholics now know when to kneel, sit and stand.
Fr McNamara also cites the relevant liturgical directions:
The liturgical function of the commentator is described, along with that of sacristans, ushers, and those who take up the collection, in the General Instruction of the Roman Missal, No. 105:
“The commentator …] provides the faithful, when appropriate, with brief explanations and commentaries with the purpose of introducing them to the celebration and preparing them to understand it better. The commentator’s remarks must be meticulously prepared and clear though brief. In performing this function the commentator stands in an appropriate place facing the faithful, but not at the ambo.”
No. 352 of the GIRM later insists on the need for preparation: “Since, indeed, a variety of options is provided for the different parts of the Mass, it is necessary for the deacon, the lectors, the psalmist, the cantor, the commentator, and the choir to be completely sure before the celebration which text for which each is responsible is to be used and that nothing be improvised.** Harmonious planning and carrying out of the rites will great assistance in disposing the faithful to participate in the Eucharist**.”
(emphasis added)

I will defend why I called it an “abuse” for the commentator to say: “Please stand to welcome the gospel”.
  1. If this is a regular event at Sunday masses then it should be in the commentor’s notes, indicating that it has the approval of the parish priest, and that is not “improvised” by the particular commentator.
If it is in the commentator’s notes then I have less of a problem with it. At least it’s authorized and consistent.

In my parish it is not in the notes. Most commentators say it when there is no choir, but I don’t. Most don’t say it when there is a choir, but a few insist on it and it sounds like an interruption when the choir is standing to sing the Alleluiah and the commentator interjects with “Please stand to welcome the gospel”. Clearly some commentators have a strong opinion that it should be said, while at least one (myself) have a strong opinion that it **should not **be said.
  1. My strongest objection is to the words “… to welcome the gospel”. That is a statement of why we are standing, and it is probably wrong. We are standing **for **the gospel, for the whole reading of it, not to just to “welcome” it. If something must be said, then why not say “Please stand for the gospel”?
  2. It is distracting. At the time our attention is focused on the ambo after the reading of the psalm. We all know that the gospel acclamation comes next, and that we are to stand. Then there is a strange interruption from side of the church “Please stand to welcome the gospel”. (Note above: “harmonious planning…”).
  3. It is entirely pointless. In every Mass we stand for gospel, just as we sit for the homily, kneel for the consecration, etc. Of all these gestures, the most obvious and well known is the standing for the gospel. If someone is a visitor and unfamiliar with the Mass then this is the easiest one to just follow the congregation with.
I attend a Cathedral Mass where it is never said, and there is never any confusion.

If there is some value in it, then why do we also not say:
  • “Please join in the response to the psalm”
  • “Please sit and listen to the homily” (or “Please sit while Fr Joe reflects on the gospel”)
  • “Please kneel in reverence for the consecration”
  • “Please stand for the Lord’s Prayer”?
It may be useful for the commentator to direct the congregation when there is a change in the liturgy. For instance, at our parish we did introduce a pause for reflection, and the first time we did this the commentator announced it. However, for things which happen predictably every week, the commentators words are only a distraction.

So, I regard it as an abuse, because it violates the principal of not adding parts to the mass which are unneccessary, unhelpful, and/or unapproved. It is also the “thin edge of the wedge” for the commentator to feel that he/she may have other things to say (as often happens in practice).
 
I will defend why I called it an “abuse” for the commentator to say: “Please stand to welcome the gospel”.
  1. If this is a regular event at Sunday masses then it should be in the commentor’s notes, indicating that it has the approval of the parish priest, and that is not “improvised” by the particular commentator.
If it is in the commentator’s notes then I have less of a problem with it. At least it’s authorized and consistent.

In my parish it is not in the notes.
There is no rule that all the commentator’s words must be written. The commentators could have an outline starting with “Greeting of congregation” which in practice becomes “Welcome to St. Joseph’s Catholic Church. Today we are celebrating the Feast of Corpus Christi. Our celebrant will be Fr. Smith. Please stand for the opening hymn, number 81.” Or the commentator’s words may be so standard that no page is necessary, except for special occasions. That wouldn’t mean that the words are not well-prepared.
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Edmundus1581:
Most commentators say it when there is no choir, but I don’t. Most don’t say it when there is a choir, but a few insist on it and it sounds like an interruption when the choir is standing to sing the Alleluiah and the commentator interjects with “Please stand to welcome the gospel”.
Sounds like the priest needs to discuss the matter with the commentators to achieve more consistency. Or the liturgy committee, if he has so authorized them.
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Edmundus1581:
  1. My strongest objection is to the words “… to welcome the gospel”. That is a statement of why we are standing, and it is probably wrong. We are standing **for **the gospel, for the whole reading of it, not to just to “welcome” it.
One could argue that the congregation stands to welcome the entire Gospel, from beginning to end.
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Edmundus1581:
If something must be said, then why not say “Please stand for the gospel”?
That sounds like a better way to go.
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Edmundus1581:
I attend a Cathedral Mass where it is never said, and there is never any confusion.
That is my experience as well; rarely do I see a commentator used except just before mass.
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Edmundus1581:
If there is some value in it, then why do we also not say:
  • “Please join in the response to the psalm”
  • “Please sit and listen to the homily” (or “Please sit while Fr Joe reflects on the gospel”)
  • “Please kneel in reverence for the consecration”
  • “Please stand for the Lord’s Prayer”?
It does seem like it would be more consistent for either all of these to be announced along with the Gospel, or none. However, that doesn’t make it an abuse.
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Edmundus1581:
So, I regard it as an abuse, because it violates the principal of not adding parts to the mass which are unneccessary, unhelpful, and/or unapproved.
There are many things in the mass, including legitimate options, which one could argue are unnecessary or unhelpful. That does not make them abuses. Your argument really rests on whether this is unapproved. Since the commentators are saying exactly the same thing week after week with the apparent blessing of the pastor, it seems as though they are exercising their ministry in exactly the way described in the GIRM.
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Edmundus1581:
It is also the “thin edge of the wedge” for the commentator to feel that he/she may have other things to say (as often happens in practice).
Which again doesn’t speak to whether something is an abuse. Sounds like it is a practice you don’t like, which you should lobby to have discontinued in your parish. Simple as that.
 
But inserting unnecessary words (even if ok) it opens the door for more abuse.

Reminds me of the expression “give them an inch, they will take a mile”
We can hardly insist on following the rules, and then criticize someone for followinging the rules.
 
I know my opinion are generally not appreciated but all this “commentator” stuff is to me more intrusion into the Liturgy by the laity. We don’t need this stuff. If the congregation that ignorant of the proceedings within the Mass, provide them with Mass booklets. It’s becoming more and more difficult to concentrate on the Mass with all the amplified intrusions by commentators and choir leaders, I have to turn my hearing aids off so I can pray at some Masses.
:thumbsup:wonderful! I feel it as getting up and down from even sitting is now arduous and I feel disobedient. But of course you are right; takes just a few to stand and all follow
 
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