common beliefs

[mpjw2]

Those who are not of the elect, or the unregenerate. Stands to reason that God does not love (nor did Christ die for nor redeem) those who are predestined for hell.

thank you Diane.

what I am about to say may stir some controversy.

I believe God our Father loves all His childen in the same manner any parent would love their child.
My wife and I love our daughter. Their is nothing she can do which will cause us to stop loving her.

However, because we love her so, we may punish her if she disobeys us.

We do not enjoy punishing her. She may make the choice to dissobey and by doing so she will know why she will be punished.

As for God, if I sin and do not repent and ask for His forgiveness, then I in fact have destined myself to hell should I die with that sin on my soul.

It does not mean God stopped loving me, but since I lived in sin without asking for His forgiveness, I would be punished for it.

Unfortunately, the punishment is eternity in hell

 

[peary]

Nice list.

Irrelevant. “True Faith” is not the same as “Christian,” y’know. As well, at least half the Christians in the world would have problems with one or more of the above items. Do you really want to present them as 'common beliefs?"

Irrelevant? I spent a whole half-hour compiling that list!!
If any one claiming to be ‘Christian’ would have problems with one or more of the items, then what is the common denominator? It would be the easy way out to respond with “Jesus Christ”.

 

[dianaiad]

thank you Diane.

what I am about to say may stir some controversy.

I believe God our Father loves all His childen in the same manner any parent would love their child.
My wife and I love our daughter. Their is nothing she can do which will cause us to stop loving her.

However, because we love her so, we may punish her if she disobeys us.

We do not enjoy punishing her. She may make the choice to dissobey and by doing so she will know why she will be punished.

As for God, if I sin and do not repent and ask for His forgiveness, then I in fact have destined myself to hell should I die with that sin on my soul.

It does not mean God stopped loving me, but since I lived in sin without asking for His forgiveness, I would be punished for it.

Unfortunately, the punishment is eternity in hell

That is not the position that hyperCalvinists hold. According to them (well, according to the one Calvinist who debated the issue with me for over ten years…I’m HOPING that he is unique in these beliefs, though he claimed he was teaching the ‘party line,’) only the elect are children of god. The unregenerate may look human, love, make choices…there is nothing at all to distinguish between them and the elect except God’s choice to save them…but in the end, they may as well be a different species of creature; not children of God, not saved, defective pottery fit only for burning. God does not love them. He created them for one purpose only–and that is to burn eternally in hell. They have no choice and no chance in the matter.

…and neither do the elect. They can’t choose NOT to be saved.

That makes their beliefs something that I don’t think is shared by a majority of Christians. They are, however, Christians.

 

[dianaiad]

Irrelevant? I spent a whole half-hour compiling that list!!

(grin)

Sorry about that.

If any one claiming to be ‘Christian’ would have problems with one or more of the items, then what is the common denominator? It would be the easy way out to respond with “Jesus Christ”.

(timidly raising hand…) I have problems with a few of those. So would half the Christians on the planet, and…our answer to your objection to our problem would also be “Jesus Christ.”

See the problem?

Again, when we talk about common beliefs among Christians, we aren’t really talking about ‘truth’, or even “Truth.” We are simply talking about the beliefs that ALL people who believe they are Christians have in common.

 

[dianaiad]

Irrelevant? I spent a whole half-hour compiling that list!!
If any one claiming to be ‘Christian’ would have problems with one or more of the items, then what is the common denominator? It would be the easy way out to respond with “Jesus Christ”.

OK, I went through the list; I eliminated all the ones I could say an unequivocal ‘yes’ to…and am here including only the ones I either disagree with, have reservations about, or simply don’t understand:

1. Do you believe Jesus Christ as the ONLY Son of God?
   Oops. I believe that He is the only Begotten Son of God….but I also believe that we humans are the children of God, which makes my father, brother and sons all sons of God.
2. Do you believe Jesus Christ as eternally begotten of the Father?
   Define ‘eternally begotten,” please?
3. Do you believe Jesus Christ as God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God?
   Huh?
4. Do you believe that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son?
   Uhm….not certain about this one…
5. Do you believe that the Holy Spirit, together with the Father and the Son, are to be worshipped and glorified as ONE God?
   Not a Trinitarian. Sorry…

As well, the questions about the catholic and apostolic church I would answer ‘yes’, too, but those answers wouldn’t mean the same, quite, as what you would mean when you say ‘yes.’

True, I’m a Mormon and there are a LOT of people who deny my claim to be Christian. However, as far as I can tell, Protestants would have some difficulty with some of the same questions I had problems with–and a few that I didn’t.

Your list, bless your heart, is a lovely way to restrict Christianity only to those Christians who are also Roman Catholic.

Nice try, though…

 

[mpjw2]

It would be, to your beliefs, and indeed to mine. I don’t believe that Mary was raped, but then…I don’t believe in the Immaculate conception, either.

There are all sorts of Christians out there, and they are, of course, not all RIGHT.

They are simply …Christians.

Diana, you are right.

There are Christians with false beliefs.

You just stated a major one.

Immaculate conception or becoming pregnant some other way.

I conclude with a biblical verse which is one reason why I believe in the immaculate conception.

Diana, it is hard for me to imagine what Joseph’s initial response was when He found out Mary was pregnant.

The bible tells us he wanted to leave her. Thank God an angel spoke to him and encouraged Him not to leave.

Since I am not a woman, I can not begin to imagine being told by an angel that I was pregnant and knew in my heart I never been with a man.

It is a complete physical impossibility.

However, with God, mind and reason and logic do not factor in what God has done … can do today… and will do in the future
If God can create man from the dust of the ground and then woman from the man’s rib then why wouldn’t you believe that God can cause Mary to become pregnant.

The only way Jesus can be connected with God is by the immaculate conception.

If Mary became pregnant in any other way, there is no way Jesus could be who He claimed HE was.

I and the Father are one. John 10:30

 

[mpjw2]

That is not the position that hyperCalvinists hold. According to them (well, according to the one Calvinist who debated the issue with me for over ten years…I’m HOPING that he is unique in these beliefs, though he claimed he was teaching the ‘party line,’) only the elect are children of god. The unregenerate may look human, love, make choices…there is nothing at all to distinguish between them and the elect except God’s choice to save them…but in the end, they may as well be a different species of creature; not children of God, not saved, defective pottery fit only for burning. God does not love them. He created them for one purpose only–and that is to burn eternally in hell. They have no choice and no chance in the matter.

…and neither do the elect. They can’t choose NOT to be saved.

That makes their beliefs something that I don’t think is shared by a majority of Christians. They are, however, Christians.

Diane, thank you for educating me on the beliefs of calvinists.

Again I believe we all have a choice to accept or reject Jesus and to believe or not believe in Him.

Our eternal destination depend on the choices we make.

obvious this belief may not be shared by every christian so please do not comment.

save for another thread

 

[dianaiad]

Diane, thank you for educating me on the beliefs of calvinists.

Again I believe we all have a choice to accept or reject Jesus and to believe or not believe in Him.

Our eternal destination depend on the choices we make.

obvious this belief may not be shared by every christian so please do not comment.

save for another thread

All I did was tell you what one Calvinist told me…insisted upon for a period of ten years of debate. I don’t think that most Calvinists are that extreme…but then again, I don’t really know. There is no 'church of Calvinism" that has an official website, after all. Please don’t use me as an expert on Calvinism! I could have it all wrong, and I’ll bet I’ll get told so rather completely.

 

[Roman_Catholic_1]

The only way Jesus can be connected with God is by the immaculate conception.

If Mary became pregnant in any other way, there is no way Jesus could be who He claimed HE was.

I and the Father are one. John 10:30

You are mixing up your doctrines. The Immaculate Conception has to do with Mary’s birth. I believe it is the Incarnation or the Virgin Birth that you are referring to.

God bless you

 

[mpjw2]

All I did was tell you what one Calvinist told me…insisted upon for a period of ten years of debate. I don’t think that most Calvinists are that extreme…but then again, I don’t really know. There is no 'church of Calvinism" that has an official website, after all. Please don’t use me as an expert on Calvinism! I could have it all wrong, and I’ll bet I’ll get told so rather completely.

Diana, use you?? NEVER

I am sorry if you thought I was.

In no way did I mean all calvanist either.

When it comes to Jesus’s unconditional love for everyone, it is hard for some Christians of all religions to accept. I have personally communicated with them.

Does Jesus love

the 9/11 terrorists?
Osama Bin Laden?
Saddam Hussien?
(excuse me for incorrect spelling)
Adolf Hitler?
all the mass murderers on death row?
all the rapists, child abusers, aldulterers, thieves, blasphemists, atheists, etc. ???
Jeffrey Domer??

my belief is yes to All of the above, no exception.

I have heard that Jeffrey Domer while in prison read a bible and surrendered His heart to Jesus Christ.

We will see him in heaven.

When I mention that to some Christians within various religions, I have not experienced 100% agreement from any 1 religion.

Here is another… Does Jesus love Michael Vick?

Yes He does and thank God for Tony Dungee who is a born again Christian.

I know because I saw him host a men’s prayer breakfast the saturday before the Colts last went to the super bowl.

Coach Dungee, at the Eagles press conference, said He had an extensive conversation with Mike Vick while he was in prison.

Coach made reference to “Christian forgiveness”

I gotta believe Coach at some point shared his faith with Michael Vick and introduced him to Jesus Christ similiar to the way he did at the men’s prayer breakfast which was simulcast nationally.

Praise God

That said, I believe Michael Vick gave his heart to Jesus in prison and we will see him in heaven.

Lastly, if you or any reader wants to hear a personal testimony about the power of Jesus’s love for someone, go to
www.youtube.come

In the search window enter…

evel knievel accepts christ

watch this video and then read the viewers comments

it is awesome to say the least

Give God the glory

Alleluia

 

[mpjw2]

You are mixing up your doctrines. The Immaculate Conception has to do with Mary’s birth. I believe it is the Incarnation or the Virgin Birth that you are referring to.

God bless you

Roman Catholic, thank you I stand corrected. I guess I forgot my teaching in Catholic school.
dummy me

God bless you

 

[mpjw2]

here is another common belief…I hope

the bible says in Hebrews 9:22

…without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

I believe that the blood Jesus shed on the cross is the only way my sin can be forgiven.

Personal confession and repentance are important but to do so without the realization in one’s heart of the sacrifice Jesus made for us at Calvary, I believe one’s sins are unforgiven by God.

example

an atheist may apologize to a loved one for stealing.

The loved one may accept their apology.

Great…while the atheist is still on earth.

Should the atheist die and never accepted the existance of God, God will not accept the atheist into heaven.

comments??

Is there any Christian who believes there is another way to heaven other than by the precious blood Jesus shed on the cross?

thank you

God bless

 

[Newbie2]

Hi newbie, Diana made reference to this.

If this is true, I wonder who they believe Jesus does not have unconditional love for?

God bless

I would guess the ones who, according to some, are not predestined for salvation.

 

[mpjw2]

Diana, you are right.

There are Christians with false beliefs.

You just stated a major one.

Immaculate conception or becoming pregnant some other way.

I conclude with a biblical verse which is one reason why I believe in the immaculate conception.

Diana, it is hard for me to imagine what Joseph’s initial response was when He found out Mary was pregnant.

The bible tells us he wanted to leave her. Thank God an angel spoke to him and encouraged Him not to leave.

Since I am not a woman, I can not begin to imagine being told by an angel that I was pregnant and knew in my heart I never been with a man.

It is a complete physical impossibility.

However, with God, mind and reason and logic do not factor in what God has done … can do today… and will do in the future
If God can create man from the dust of the ground and then woman from the man’s rib then why wouldn’t you believe that God can cause Mary to become pregnant.

The only way Jesus can be connected with God is by the immaculate conception.

If Mary became pregnant in any other way, there is no way Jesus could be who He claimed HE was.

I and the Father are one. John 10:30

Diana, after being corrected by Roman Catholic about my statements regarding the Immaculate Conception, I agree with you that I do not believe in the immaculate conception either.
I believe Mary was an ordinary young woman just like any other woman woyld be in anticipation of being married.

Then one day an angel appeared and said to her…

…Greetings you are highly favored. The Lord is with you. Luke 1:28

The bible says Mary was greatly troubled.

Do you believe you would be tooif a stranger interrupted your normal life with these words?

The bible then tells us the angel said…

…Do not be afraid. Mary, you have foynd favor with God. You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus Luke 1:30,31

 

[mpjw2]

I would guess the ones who, according to some, are not predestined for salvation.

Hi newbie, it is unfortunate some believe that. We can only pray they have a change of heart.

We all in one way or another are prodicals and God loves us and is willing to welcome us home (heaven).

All we have to do is sincerely repent and confess our sin and believe in His forgiving grace He offers all of us through the precious blood Jesus shed on the cross.

That my friend, I believe, is the good news of the gospel in a nutshell.

God bless

 

[Newbie2]

I agree. It’s not the “Good News but just for some”.

 

[jblake]

peary;:

then what is the common denominator? It would be the easy way out to respond with “Jesus Christ”.

FWIW, there are groups within Christianity that utterly ignore Christ. The only time the phrase “Jesus Christ” or “Christ” is said in those congregations, is when they read a passage in the Bible that contains those words.

jonathon

 

[jblake]

mpjw2;:

It is a complete physical impossibility.

Parthenogenetic reproduction is a characteristic of several species of animals.

In human populations, the only thing that is unknown is the frequency with which it occurs. The question is not if it occurs, but how often it occurs. (This runs counter to nearly everything that is “known” in biology, but there are reproductive process researchers scratching their heads, wondering just what is going on here, and more specifically, why it is occuring.)

jonathon

 

[Roman_Catholic_1]

FWIW, there are groups within Christianity that utterly ignore Christ. The only time the phrase “Jesus Christ” or “Christ” is said in those congregations, is when they read a passage in the Bible that contains those words.

jonathon

Do you have a denomination in mind? I cannot think of any Christian Church which ignores Christ.

God bless

 

[Roman_Catholic_1]

Roman Catholic, thank you I stand corrected. I guess I forgot my teaching in Catholic school.
dummy me

God bless you

:tiphat:

I just thought it was strange that a non-Catholic Christian stated they believed in the Immaculate Conception. I got my hopes up and then I read the rest of the post

God bless you