Common questions Muslims can´t answer:

[Jay53]

Prophet Lut/ Lot’s relationship with his two daughters , David’s having affair with a married woman & killing her husband , Solomon’s not staying at the right path always ( peace be upon them all ) etc etc.

I’ll have to ask about these one at a time as I don’t have an OT handy.

With regard to Lot, are you referring to Genesis 19:30-36? If so, what about that is not true and how do you know it is not true?

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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…and neglected to utter Muhammad ur-rasullu Allah.

by rejecting any Prophet , a person can’t be a Muslim. I am not allowed to say Jesus (pbuh) was not a Prophet . I can’t remain as a Muslim then. So , to be a Muslim , one must believe in his/her heart that Muhammed (pbuh) is the Last Prophet of God Almighty.

• is it possible to be a submitter without following Mohammed?

about religious matters , we must follow his examples like offering 5 times prayers , give compulsory charity i.e Zakat , must not drink alcohol , eat pork as these are forbidden items.

About his personal matters like marrying an aged twiced widow & not to take other wife as long as she was alive , drinking honey , ride on horses and camels etc …there are not compulsory to follow.

Prophet once said something like that : what I say about religion , it’s not my own words/ commands ; these come from God ; so u must listen to these. What I say about personal matters , it’s a not a must to follow.

So obvously the prophet raped her.

Non-Muslims offered him everything to stop preaching oneness of God. Prophet could easily asked for all the beautiful women in the whole Arabia. He did not do that . Stop preaching lies & hatred pl.

**The prophets personal body guard bilal **

Bilal was not his personal body guard. He was an African slave . Prophet selected him to give Athan ( call to prayer). Bilal used to stand on the roof of the holiest mosque of the Muslims & called people to prayer. Can u imagine , once a slave is on the top of Kaaba thousand years ago. Many people could not believe their eyes.

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I am sorry I cannot see the actions of this man as being those of a prophet of God.

NO problem.

To you be your Way, and to me mine ( holy Quran; 109:6)

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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… I don’t have an OT handy.

me too

are you referring to Genesis 19:30-36? If so, what about that is not true and how do you know it is not true?

Don’t remember the chapter name . 2 daugthers gave him alcohol & slept with him yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaakkkkkkkkkkkkkkk. Not even any ordinary girl will do that & Bible says 2 daughters of a Prophet did that . Also , a Prophet lost all his senses & made his daughters pregnant…hard to accept these as truth.

As a Muslim , I learnt to respect all the Prophets since childhood. So , it was very shocking to read all those allegations against some blessed Prophets of God Almighty.

 

[Jay53]

**Don’t remember the chapter name . 2 daugthers gave him alcohol & slept with him yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaakkkkkkkkkkkkkkk. Not even any ordinary girl will do that & Bible says 2 daughters of a Prophet did that . Also , a Prophet lost all his senses & made his daughters pregnant…hard to accept these as truth.

As a Muslim , I learnt to respect all the Prophets since childhood. So , it was very shocking to read all those allegations against some blessed Prophets of God Almighty.**

So who do Muslims say wrote this and why? (as in why do you say someone made up something like this?)

 

[Reuben_J]

Can you post the Kalimah here please.

Islam is both the Qur’an and the Sunnah is it not?

Yes

Even more so than Christians or Jews, do you not exalt the “actions” of Mohammed?

Yes

Do you not deem him to be without sin, and therefore the epitome of humanity?

Yes

Do you not seek to emulate his every action in all matters?

Yes

 

[Benjamin8o8]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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Benjamin8o8 : Common questions Muslims can´t answer

–why did u write **Muslims can’t answer **?

We do give answers but you did not / don’t like these --that’s the different matter

Muslims can`t give rational answers, if I ask why did Mohammed order 2 men to have their limbs cut off then be thrown in the desert do die what possible answer can you give me??? What about that Aisha was forced to clean Mohammed sperm from his or her clothes? Or what right does Mohammed have to kill 600 hundred Jews? You see, the questions are unlimited and the only answer you can offer is: Allah said its okay.

MOHAMMED IS NOT ALLAH!

How can you be so sure that God was okay with Mohammeds actions. What right does Mohammed have to write a new scripture that contradicts previous scriptures that came BEFORE his?

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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… why did Mohammed order 2 men to have their limbs cut off then be thrown in the desert do die what possible answer can you give me???

If u mean of those people who killed a person who took care of them when they were sick & who looted his property , then ans is they deserved that punishment If u refer to other incident , pl. give more info.

What about that Aisha was forced to clean Mohammed sperm from his or her clothes?

It’s a must for all Muslims to take bath & clean clothes after close intimacy . It was not special for Mother Aisha (ra) only.

what right does Mohammed have to kill 600 hundred Jews?

Read your own holy book --Duet. Jews asked to be judged by a Jewish Rabbi. He gave verdict according to his own book . If they gave option for Islamic Sharia , they could have lived . It was their choice . If u don’t like this punishment , Christians must give ans–why Jesus (pbuh) gave this verdict .

 

[Reuben_J]

MOHAMMED IS NOT ALLAH!

From what have been discussed in this forum, there are many verses of the Quran that say, or at least imply that Mohammad was equal or nearly equal to Allah. If one does not believe in Allah who wa supposed to give the revelations to Mohammad, one can easily comes to the conclusion that Mohammad probabyl wrote the Quran with its self-serving message.

 

[Benjamin8o8]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

If u mean of those people who killed a person who took care of them when they were sick & who looted his property , then ans is they deserved that punishment If u refer to other incident , pl. give more info…

deserved??? I thought God was most Gracious and Most Merciful? They cut of their limbs and threw them in the desert to dehydrate. I can´t believe you said that Muslim Woman, first its allowed to curse in islam, and now you prohibit cruel actions done by Mohammed. If you believe in Jesus (Prince of Salam), didn`t He (POS) preach about love and forgivness. You Muslim often told me that Jesus was send to preach to the Jews the right way, if Jesus had a unique mission then we all can agree that His message was about loving your neighbor, how does Mohammed fit into that catagory if he was cruel, heartless, perverted, and other things?

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

It’s a must for all Muslims to take bath & clean clothes after close intimacy . It was not special for Mother Aisha (ra) only…

…No…no…you did NOT say that! I am shocked at this answer, well if i may ask, very kindly Muslim Woman, are you surprised that Christians and people of other faiths don´t want to accept Islam because of answers like these?

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Read your own holy book --Duet. Jews asked to be judged by a Jewish Rabbi. He gave verdict according to his own book . If they gave option for Islamic Sharia , they could have lived . It was their choice . If u don’t like this punishment , Christians must give ans–why Jesus (pbuh) gave this verdict .

That was a whole different time period. God had to be strict on society because If he wasn´t just imagine what type of society we would have no. thousands of years before Christ, people were out of controll, God had to order strict orders to maintain peace. So when God humbled Himself to be like one of us, that`s what His message was. He didn´t contradict His previous teachings, He just fullfilled them. All Glory and Praise to Jesus Christ, true God and True Man. The seal of ALL Prophets Ameen.

 

[Jay53]

It’s a must for all Muslims to take bath & clean clothes after close intimacy . It was not special for Mother Aisha (ra) only.

Do you realize that she was 9 years old - that would put her in about the 4th grade (today). When you were in the 4th grade do you honestly believe that you would have been willing and mentally able to understand having sexual intercourse with a man old enough to be your father or even grandfather and on top of that be willing to clean up HIS bodily fluids!?!

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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Do you realize that she was 9 years old -:

answered 100 times ( minimum). Early marriage was common at that time ; girls watched their sisters , girls of neighbours to get married before 9 . In India , Hindus believed that if a girl starts her period at father’s res , all family members will go to hell. Young marriage were banned only say …100 years ago. And you are talking about a marriage that took place more than a thousand years ago .

Thanks God , Mother Mary (pbuh) gave birth to your Saviour long ago ; otherwise earthy dad of your Lord would have been arrested & Mary (pbuh) needed to ask her son to do some miracle to release dad.

 

[Jay53]

answered 100 times ( minimum). Early marriage was common at that time ; girls watched their sisters , girls of neighbours to get married before 9 . In India , Hindus believed that if a girl starts her period at father’s res , all family members will go to hell. Young marriage were banned only say …100 years ago. And you are talking about a marriage that took place more than a thousand years ago .

I don’t care how common it was - she was still 9 years old!!! - when you were in the 4th grade would you have been willing and mentally able to have sexual intercourse with a man (do I need to be more graphic as to what that involves?) and then clean up his bodily fluids!?!

Thanks God , Mother Mary (pbuh) gave birth to your Saviour long ago ; otherwise earthy dad of your Lord would have been arrested & Mary (pbuh) needed to ask her son to do some miracle to release dad.

 

[jakasaki]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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answered 100 times ( minimum). **Early marriage was common at that time **; girls watched their sisters , girls of neighbours to get married before 9 . In India , Hindus believed that if a girl starts her period at father’s res , all family members will go to hell. Young marriage were banned only say …100 years ago. And you are talking about a marriage that took place more than a thousand years ago .

Thanks God , Mother Mary (pbuh) gave birth to your Saviour long ago ; otherwise earthy dad of your Lord would have been arrested & Mary (pbuh) needed to ask her son to do some miracle to release dad.

I’ve said this 100x’s - we are **NOT **talking about the average Joe Arab from the 7th century.

We are **TALKING ABOUT **a man of God!!

 

[Benjamin8o8]

I’ve said this 100x’s - we are **NOT **talking about the average Joe Arab from the 7th century.

We are **TALKING ABOUT **a man of God!!

Hold on Pam, with all due respect but it dosent matter wether Mohammed was an average joe or an alleged prophet. Earlier in the centuries I harldy believe that it was common for a 53 year old to have sex with a 9 year old. Young and old marriges were common indeed, but maybe 9 and 17 or 18 and 53. This I can understand. Just like how today it would be alright if a 20 year old goes out with a 30 year old, but it would be disgusting if a 10 year old went out with a 20 year old. Thats the difference.

Oh and let us not forget that buring women alive, sacrificing babies to gods were also common during that era. So maybe there were incidings among sick pagans that participated in that act, but how can Muslims be okay with Mohammad doing that?

No rational answer is possible, and Muslim Woman just proved that to us.

 

[Hadi]

Hold on Pam, with all due respect but it dosent matter wether Mohammed was an average joe or an alleged prophet. Earlier in the centuries I harldy believe that it was common for a 53 year old to have sex with a 9 year old. Young and old marriges were common indeed, but maybe 9 and 17 or 18 and 53. This I can understand. Just like how today it would be alright if a 20 year old goes out with a 30 year old, but it would be disgusting if a 10 year old went out with a 20 year old. Thats the difference.

Oh and let us not forget that buring women alive, sacrificing babies to gods were also common during that era. So maybe there were incidings among sick pagans that participated in that act, but how can Muslims be okay with Mohammad doing that?

No rational answer is possible, and Muslim Woman just proved that to us.

I’ll post this again:

• According to hadith in Bukhari and Muslim, Aisha is said to have joined Muhammad on the raid that culminated in the Battle of Badr, in 624 CE. However, because no one below the age of 15 was allowed to accompany raiding parties, Aisha should have been at least 15 in 624 CE and thus at least 13 when she was married following the Hijra in 622 CE.
• Ibn Hisham’s recension of Ibn Ishaq’s Sirat Rashul Allah, the earliest surviving biography of Muhammad, records Aisha as having converted to Islam before Umar ibn al-Khattab, during the first few years of Islam around 610 CE. In order to accept Islam she must have been walking and talking, hence at least three years of age, which would make her at least 15 in 622 CE.
• Tabari also reports that Abu Bakr’s four children were all born during the Jahiliyyah, the pre Islamic period, which could be said to have ended in 610 CE, making Aisha at least 12 in 622 CE.
• According to Ibn Hajar, Fatima was five years older than Aisha. Fatima is reported to have been born when Muhammad was thirty-five years old, meaning Aisha was born when he was forty years old, and thus 12 when Muhammad married at fifty-two.
• According to the generally accepted tradition, Aisha was born about eight years before Hijrah. However, according to another narrative in Bukhari (Kitaab al-Tafseer) Aisha is reported to have said that at the time Surah Al-Qamar, the 54th chapter of the Qur’an , was revealed, “I was a young girl”. The 54th Surah of the Qur’an was revealed nine years before Hijrah. According to this tradition, Aisha had not only been born before the revelation of the referred Surah, but was actually a young girl, not even only an infant at that time. So if this age is assumed to be 7 to 14 years then her age at the time of marriage would be **14 **to 21.
• According to almost all the historians, Asma the elder sister of Aisha, was ten years older than Aisha. It is reported in Taqreeb al-Tehzeeb as well as Al-Bidayah wa al-Nihayah that Asma died in the 73rd year after migration of Muhammad when she was 100 years old. Now, obviously if Asma was 100 years old in the 73rd year after Migration to Medina, she should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of migration. If Asma was 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah, Aisha should have been 17 or **18 **years old at that time. Thus, Aisha - if she got married in 1 AH (after Migration to Medina) or 2 AH - was between 18 to 20 years old at the time of her marriage.
• According to many Ahadith in Bukhari, it is believed Aisha participated in the battle of Badr and Uhud.Also in Bukhari (Kitabu’l-maghazi) Ibn `Umar states that the Prophet did not permit me to participate in Uhud, as at that time, I was 14 years old. But on the day of Khandaq, when I was 15 years old, the Prophet permitted my participation. So if it was not allowed to participate in Uhud for people younger than 15, then Aisha would be atleast 15 in those battles, making her age atleast 13 to 14 at the time of marriage.
• Tabaqat ibn Sa’d, 8:58; Ansab al-Ashraf, 1:410. Opinions are in disagreement concerning her marriage with Muhammad. Their marriage seems to have taken place either two of five years after the Migration (Usd al-ghaba, 5:501)

 

[Benjamin8o8]

I’ll post this again:

• According to hadith in Bukhari and Muslim, Aisha is said to have joined Muhammad on the raid that culminated in the Battle of Badr, in 624 CE. However, because no one below the age of 15 was allowed to accompany raiding parties, Aisha should have been at least 15 in 624 CE and thus at least 13 when she was married following the Hijra in 622 CE.
• Ibn Hisham’s recension of Ibn Ishaq’s Sirat Rashul Allah, the earliest surviving biography of Muhammad, records Aisha as having converted to Islam before Umar ibn al-Khattab, during the first few years of Islam around 610 CE. In order to accept Islam she must have been walking and talking, hence at least three years of age, which would make her at least 15 in 622 CE.
• Tabari also reports that Abu Bakr’s four children were all born during the Jahiliyyah, the pre Islamic period, which could be said to have ended in 610 CE, making Aisha at least 12 in 622 CE.
• According to Ibn Hajar, Fatima was five years older than Aisha. Fatima is reported to have been born when Muhammad was thirty-five years old, meaning Aisha was born when he was forty years old, and thus 12 when Muhammad married at fifty-two.
• According to the generally accepted tradition, Aisha was born about eight years before Hijrah. However, according to another narrative in Bukhari (Kitaab al-Tafseer) Aisha is reported to have said that at the time Surah Al-Qamar, the 54th chapter of the Qur’an , was revealed, “I was a young girl”. The 54th Surah of the Qur’an was revealed nine years before Hijrah. According to this tradition, Aisha had not only been born before the revelation of the referred Surah, but was actually a young girl, not even only an infant at that time. So if this age is assumed to be 7 to 14 years then her age at the time of marriage would be **14 **to 21.
• According to almost all the historians, Asma the elder sister of Aisha, was ten years older than Aisha. It is reported in Taqreeb al-Tehzeeb as well as Al-Bidayah wa al-Nihayah that Asma died in the 73rd year after migration of Muhammad when she was 100 years old. Now, obviously if Asma was 100 years old in the 73rd year after Migration to Medina, she should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of migration. If Asma was 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah, Aisha should have been 17 or **18 **years old at that time. Thus, Aisha - if she got married in 1 AH (after Migration to Medina) or 2 AH - was between 18 to 20 years old at the time of her marriage.
• According to many Ahadith in Bukhari, it is believed Aisha participated in the battle of Badr and Uhud.Also in Bukhari (Kitabu’l-maghazi) Ibn `Umar states that the Prophet did not permit me to participate in Uhud, as at that time, I was 14 years old. But on the day of Khandaq, when I was 15 years old, the Prophet permitted my participation. So if it was not allowed to participate in Uhud for people younger than 15, then Aisha would be atleast 15 in those battles, making her age atleast 13 to 14 at the time of marriage.
• Tabaqat ibn Sa’d, 8:58; Ansab al-Ashraf, 1:410. Opinions are in disagreement concerning her marriage with Muhammad. Their marriage seems to have taken place either two of five years after the Migration (Usd al-ghaba, 5:501)

See Haidi, you and Meedo are the only Muslims in this forum that I can understand. You guys are or want to be ignorant of Mohammeds lifestyle. If that is the case, something deep inside tells me that it would bother you if Aisha was 9 years old. The problem however is that, most Muslims are a-okay with it and it dosen`t bother them at all that hadiths clearly state that Aisha was forced to clean sperm from Mohammed clothes when she was 9.

Oh and yes, they think it was okay for her to be 9 years of age. THIS IS WHY WE DON`T accept Islam. Oh, and the fact Muslims deny the divinity of Jesus.

 

[tomarin]

See Haidi, you and Meedo are the only Muslims in this forum that I can understand. You guys are or want to be ignorant of Mohammeds lifestyle. If that is the case, something deep inside tells me that it would bother you if Aisha was 9 years old.

Isn’t a more relevant question whether Arabs in Mohammad’s own time would have been okay with child marriage? We all know that modern people are not okay with it.

 

[Benjamin8o8]

Isn’t a more relevant question whether Arabs in Mohammad’s own time would have been okay with child marriage? We all know that modern people are not okay with it.

werent most Arabs pagans who did more cruel and sickening things? I dont know if they would be okay, what do you think?

 

[GodIsGracious]

Isn’t a more relevant question whether Arabs in Mohammad’s own time would have been okay with child marriage? We all know that modern people are not okay with it.

Some modern people. Don’t forget, there’s an 8 year old Muslim girl trying to divorce her elderly Muslim husband right now.

 

[tomarin]

Some modern people. Don’t forget, there’s an 8 year old Muslim girl trying to divorce her elderly Muslim husband right now.

I know it still happens in some remote places and/or places which are resistant to the modern world’s social norms, but the cosmopolitan people Benjamin808 is talking to here are obviously far removed from those locales.