Communication with God

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When we pray, how do we pray to God truly as opposed to praying to our own concept of God? Don’t we have to tendency to form an image of God who is listening to us when we pray? Should we always think of God as Our Father when we pray? When we pray to Jesus and the Holy Spirit should we still think of praying to the Father?
 
I think about different things, for example, the Scriptural prayers like the She’ma in Deut. 6. The Magnificat and the Benedictus, and of course the Our Father.

I am very fond of St. Patrick’s breastplate, which is a prayer to the Trinity

“I bind unto myself today the strong name of the Trinity by invocation of the same the three in one and one in three…”

I also like the way St. Francis prayed

“Make me a channel of your peace…”

Sometimes we prayer to the Father through the Son.
 
We are human. We can only pray with an image and our images (perceptions) change throughout life as we grow in God. And I think that so long as we know that NONE of our conceptuatlizations (images) are accurate but that we need one because we are human, we practice humility (knowing our limited state). Today, my image is of the shepherd holding the dirty sheep on his shoulders because it was lost. Jesus Himself gave us that image for our sake because we are human and need one to understand Him. 🙂
 
Hi,

When we pray, how do we pray to God truly as opposed to praying to our own concept of God? Don’t we have to tendency to form an image of God who is listening to us when we pray? Should we always think of God as Our Father when we pray? When we pray to Jesus and the Holy Spirit should we still think of praying to the Father?
Without *totally *ignoring the visible, ask of the Invisible.

If you hold an image of God in your mind, you are likely to be deceived. The mind communes with God through the humility of presuming one’s own erroneous misunderstandings and yearningly requests for truth.

The trick is to forget what you believe for a while so as to ask of what MUST be and what CAN be accepting that you actually know nothing of what IS.

The answers come without any other effort but to reduce yourself.
 
Hi Coder -

You raise a good question:thumbsup:

Broadly speaking, all methods of prayer can be thought of as situated on a spectrum between two poles. On the one end, our prayer is entirely “active” and makes use of the very images, forms, ideas, thoughts, words etc you cite in your post. And this is as it should be for, as another poster mentioned, we are human and this is how we are made. So we use our minds and imagination in a variety of ways (for example vocal prayer and meditation) in order to stir our hearts to love . . . love being the only way we find “likeness” or “union” with our God who lies beyond any image or construct of Him we can fashion in our minds. So we do what St. Teresa of Avila says: “do what stirs your heart to love.”

Sometimes, though, we might notice our prayer shifting a bit further down the spectrum, in a manner of speaking. This is called the Prayer of Simplicity . . . when our reliance on images, forms, ideas in prayer is diminished. Why? Because . . . for the moment at least . . . they’ve accomplished their purpose. These are the “I look at Him and He looks at me” times. When we recognize an attraction for interior stillness like this we are best to let go of our vocal prayer and meditation and follow where He is leading. Stop “doing” in order to simply “be.”

Then, perhaps, God will take over from here and lead us even further down the spectrum to a way of prayer that is entirely “passive.” This is called infused contemplation . . . God’s way of praying in us as He really is . . . silence. At such times, our images, forms, ideas and thoughts of Him have no place. In fact they are contrary to the very grace He is trying to give. So God “suspends” the use of our faculties creating an “absorption” in Him. Whenever we see our Saints and Doctors use terms like suspension or absorbtion we know they are talking about infused contemplation.

So in keeping with the theme of this thread, I hope this “image” of the various ways of prayer helps,
Dave:)
 
My dear friend

I sometimes differentiate when I pray to God. But I find it hard to separate them so I’m always conscious that it’s 3 persons in one God. As an example when I make a spiritual communion I now say- I love you Lord Jesus and I desire to receive you in holy communion. I love you too sweet Father and especially you sweet Holy Spirit.

We receive them all in holy communion after all. I can picture Jesus but can’t the others. hey are spirit and infinite. It’s ok to have a picture if you want. I would not worry about it too much. I would just do and go where the Holy Spirit leads you, and it’ll ofen change. The most important thing is to put a lot of love into your prayer. Prayer is meant to be an expression of love and this is all God wants - our love.

God bless you dear friend and pray for me please:thumbsup:🙂

John
 
Hi,

When we pray, how do we pray to God truly as opposed to praying to our own concept of God? Don’t we have to tendency to form an image of God who is listening to us when we pray? Should we always think of God as Our Father when we pray? When we pray to Jesus and the Holy Spirit should we still think of praying to the Father?
God is One and in Him are three Persons, each distinct yet in one another, each being God, so that whatever Person one prays to one prays to all three, God Himself, which is why one of the traditional formulas for the Holy Trinity is ‘God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit’. Christ commands us to ask for everything through Him; it both reiterates the fact of the uniqueness of God and the mystery of the unity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. We can also pray to the Holy Spirit, too, and He shall indeed work wonders within us, the greatest being conversion. Likewise we can pray to the whole Holy Trinity. Whichever way of prayer God rouses in our hearts, it is prayer to the same Lord, the same Giver of givers.
 
Thank you. In the prayer that Jesus teaches us we call God “Our Father”. I wonder if we should always focus on God as Our Father with knowledge that the three persons bring us to this relationship with God.
 
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