Communion and adultery

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Good day, I am not Catholic but my nephews’ dad is Mexican Catholic. I want to understand something.
Let’s call him Juan and my sister Polly.
Juan married Kathy, both practicing Catholics. They had 4 children, baptized, catechism, catholic private school.
Juan had a propensity to cheat on his wife Kathy all through their marriage.
My sister, Polly, was one of women who he cheated with, and ultimately left Jane and his 4 children, [5, 15, 15, 18] to live with my sister.
So my sister and Juan have 2 children [now 12 and 17] “out of wedlock” AND Juan NEVER divorced his wife Jill.
Juan had my 2 nephews baptized in Mexico at his church.
How does the Catholic Church view children born out of wedlock? They have never had cathecism, nor do they attend mass.
Does Juan have the wafer communion? Or is he in eternal damnation until he and my sister marry?
I ask, because, one of my nephews, the younger, is disabled, is this a burden on Juan for his sins?
Thanks for any insights…
 
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Ok thanks

nice forum for chatholics the kingdom shall move
 
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Does Juan have the wafer communion? Or is he in eternal damnation until he and my sister marry?
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I will let the other questions to people with more knowledge of Catholicism than I, but I can answer these two.
No, Juan is not allowed to partake in the Eucharist until he trully repents, confess his sin and do penance.
He can’t marry your sister in the Catholic Church unless he gets an annulment for his mariage (very unlikely by what you have exposed about the situation).
 
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Can he repent, confess, and do penance everyday and still stay living with my sister and their two boys? Is my disables nephew the scapegoat for his sins and suffering disability? I remember my Mexican catholic friend suffered a miscarry and her catholic friends told her it was because of some hidden sin.
 
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How does the Catholic Church view children born out of wedlock? They have never had cathecism, nor do they attend mass.

Does Juan have the wafer communion? Or is he in eternal damnation until he and my sister marry?

I ask, because, one of my nephews, the younger, is disabled, is this a burden on Juan for his sins?

Thanks for any insights
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The Catholic Church does not look down on the children for the sins of their parents.

Juan cannot take communion at all while he lives in sin with a woman other than his wife. He needs to get his first marriage annulled if possible, in the meantime he shouldn’t be co-habitating with anyone else.

The disabled child is not a result of anyone’s sins. It just is. Disabled children are not a punishment from God. All children are a blessing from God.
 
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Can he repent, confess, and do penance everyday and still stay living with my sister and their two boys? Is my disables nephew the scapegoat for his sins and suffering disability? I remember my Mexican catholic friend suffered a miscarry and her catholic friends told her it was because of some hidden sin
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No, because part of the confession is the agreement to go and sin no more. If he’s going to keep sinning, there’s no true repentance.

Miscarried children are not a result of any sins of the mother!!! This is not catholic teaching!
 
Juan is still married to Jane. Every time he has relations with Jill he commits adultery. He needs to get things squared away with Jane. The kids, although born out of wedlock and adultery, still are children of God and are loved by God.
 
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Please explain what you mean. Thank you.

My sister and Juan have been living together for 25 years. My sister is not catholic, she is practicing a theosophy called Abraham Hicks.

I know Juan feels a grand responsibility, but I do not see him moving out. I just want to understand what Juan is going through. The wife Jane and her 4 children, now adults with children, must be harboring ill will towards my nephews, their half brothers, and my sister. My sister did know better. Juan (67 yrs old) seems heavy burdened these days. So it must be his salvation on his conscience. And since you mentioned the 6 souls of his kids… please, tell me what to say o him.
 
I don’t think that way! My Mexican Catholic friend does! I told her to talk to her priest.
 
I do not know why I thought Catholics think that way! Probably heard it more than once or twice. Sorry.
 
Correct. My nephews are 12 (disabled), and 17. My sister (53) and Juan (67) have been together almost 25 years. When he left his wife for my sister, he left her with a toddler and twin teenage boys.
I am sure Juan talks to his priest (parde). He goes to mass every Sunday. My nephews were ONLY baptized. They have never been to mass or catechism–and I do not see this ever happening.
I want to discuss this with Juan having the facts of your church.
Thank you
 
Is Juan in threat of pergatory unless he repents? My nephews?
 
Juan is in danger of hell if he does not repent. If he was cheating all throughout his marriage to Kathy I think he would have a good case for an annulment. He would then be free to marry Polly.

Your nephews have not been catechized so I think there is a good case that they do not know better. Being born out of wedlock will not condemn them.
 
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Best response.
He is still married to the first woman.
He is regularly committing adultery.
The children can be Baptized, but what kind of example are they modeling in the faith? The priest will EXPECT them to say they are raising the children in the faith, and they cannot possibly be doing so living the way they are.
They must see the priest, and get this sorted out.
Don’t tell them in such a way as to cause despair or cause them to not WANT to fix it. It will be a long road, but they can do this. Encourage them. Remind them that God is merciful, but we must cooperate with His holy law.
 
I changed the names so they all don’t sound the same. sorry 😉
 
Adultery is a mortal sin and we are not allowed to receive the Eucharist in the state of mortal sin.

To repent, it would mean correcting the situation or at least not wanting to do such situation again. He is married still. It is adultery for him to have relations with this other woman that is not his wife. His wife, however, is the victim here. She may be granted an annulment if Juan never planned on being faithful.
Alternatively, there can also be a separation, but then Juan should live without sexual relations as he’d still be married.
 
I am of Mexican-American heritage and I can understand to a certain point about your meaning of “Mexican Catholic”. The religion is so intertwined with lifestlye, it’s sometimes hard to seperate the two. Many superstitious ideas and actions are very deep rooted. I KNOW, I lived with it, around it and thru it. However, with that said, these certain catholics are sadly mistaken. Our Lord does not work that way with a disabled child. All children and life are sacred and loved by Him. If these ones that are saying this could only be lovingly corrected. As others have said, Juan needs to speak to a priest, immediately about HIS actions and wrong choices against God commandments. The children are not used as punishment for father’s sin by God, at all. The superstition is rooted in the fact that Mexican community and family are so tightly knitted that guilt and shame are wrongfully “used” to correct wrong behavior to protect the family. So as I mentioned religion/lifestyle are so intertwined the misappropriation of “catholic” beliefs gets tangled and twisted within this. So please take comfort that your nephew is very much loved by Our Lord and is safely under the veil of Our Blessed Mother Momma Mary. Encourage Juan, in a compassionate manner, to repent and pray for conversion of the wife. Be comforted, be at peace, and May God Bless You.
 
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