Communion at a Protestant church

[AugustTherese]

They draw on the Fathers, the Scriptures, the traditions of the church and plain reason to seek the faith handed down from the Apostles.

Show me anything from the ‘Fathers, the Scriptures, [and/or] the traditions of the church’ that parallels with any of this:

"But those who agree with the Pope, and defend his doctrine and [false] services, defile themselves with idolatry and blasphemous opinions, become guilty of the blood of the godly, whom the Pope [and his adherents] persecutes, detract from the glory of God, and hinder the welfare of the Church, because they strengthen errors and crimes to all posterity [in the sight of all the world and to the injury of all descendants].

This being the case, all Christians ought to beware of becoming partakers of the godless doctrine, blasphemies, and unjust cruelty of the Pope. On this account they ought to desert and execrate [curse] the Pope with his adherents as the kingdom of Antichrist.

Nay; such pontiffs and such a government ought to be held accursed." - A Treatise on the Power and Primacy of the Pope

Please, show us where the ancient church promulgated such language and views.

 

[steido01]

lol

Not a chance you rope me into that discussion here. I’m frankly surprised your post hasn’t been flagged already just for mentioning the A-word.

 

[steido01]

Yeah, you’re grossly misrepresenting what Luther meant by those private words of pastoral encouragement to a close personal friend.

But you’ve already made up your mind, so I won’t bother trying to persuade you with facts.

 

[LostSheep7]

But you’ve already made up your mind, so I won’t bother trying to persuade you with facts.

Wise choice. God bless you.

 

[susanbherald]

Again, I was doing it early, before they explained things. It wasn’t specifically “go to a Protestant Church”, it was an “outside faith activity”

 

[steido01]

You see, there are many souls in Lutheran communities. Good, pious souls that have no idea of such filth because those Lutherans who do know won’t care to make it known.

Yes, we don’t want anyone to know; that’s precisely why we put it on the internet for the whole world to read. The local Bible Studies on the Confessions and entire libraries of Lutheran scholarship are just for show. That’s also why no Lutheran ever visits places like Catholic Answers Forum or the Other Extremist Forum Not To Be Named to try to correct misunderstandings of our beliefs, either.

Better luck swallowing a camel than proffering that floppy noodle of an argument.

(Unfortunately, I won’t get roped into your game by marching out Rome’s rather unsavory views on various topics. Sorry.)

 

[adamhovey1988]

Under extraordinary conditions, you may be able to receive communion at an Oriental Orthodox, Eastern Orthodox, or Assyrian church of the east church. Keep in mind, I said “extraordinary”, and, even in this conditions, you may not receive communion from a Protestant community, as there is no apostolic succession, so, no priesthood, and therefore, no eucharist. The reason Catholics have closed communion is because when you receive the communion, you’re saying “I believe what the Church teaches”. Obviously, Protestants don’t believe that, or they’d be Catholic.

 

[AugustTherese]

Unfortunately, I won’t get roped into your game by marching out Rome’s rather unsavory views on various topics. Sorry

Well, I suppose I was the one who asked you what was preventing you from converting to the Catholic Church. However you were the one that claimed, by your conviction, that you are “convinced by Scripture, tradition and history that the Lutheran formulation of the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic faith as laid out in the Book of Concord is the closest visible manifestation of what the ancient church should look like today”.

Not only did I concede to this theory, but I commended you on this method! But, when I simply asked you to give me evidence for how the Book of Concord lays this out historically, you merely post a URL link. I mean, does that normally work for you when informing and teaching? I apologize if that comes off as abrasive, but how can you seriously convince yourself or others that doing this is a reasonable way of providing answers when perfectly legitimate questions are posed?!

 

[steido01]

Well, as much as I’d love to do a walkthrough of the BoC like I do with others, the “Catholic Answers Forum“ is not the place that I teach. I teach in my community, and my parish, the schools that invite me to lecture, and wherever I can have a face-to-face interaction with the people I’m teaching. That way, they can see by my example that I live what I believe — that I am not peddling “filth because won’t care to make it known.”

Proselytizing is against the rules here. You won’t bait me into doing it. No matter how much you denigrate me, my beliefs, my church, or anything else.

 

[Shasta-Rose]

I was fairly happy with most aspects of the Lutheran church when I was Lutheran. I am now Catholic. Mainly it was two things: the Eucharist and the priests.

I wanted to take communion more than a few times a year. I became Catholic so I could take communion every Sunday. I knew Catholics often went to church during the week, but I didn’t realize that they had communion then, too. So, once I was a member, I went to church on a Tuesday, just because I could! AND we had communion, too. Bang! Mind-blowing! I now go every Sunday, of course, and I go once or twice a week on week days. Eucharist every time! It’s so wonderful! And it never gets old. This is what I wanted all along and didn’t have in the Lutheran church.

The priests: At one point we had an interim Lutheran pastor whose wife lid him around by the nose, and I had no respect for him. I like that the priests don’t have to go home and be hubbies and kowtow to their wives and kids. The priests give their whole lives to their church and their flock. They are the most hard-working and sincere and holy people. I just love the priests.

The Lutheran church was like a “starter home.” It fit for a while but then I moved on–to what I really wanted all along.

 

[AugustTherese]

Well, as much as I’d love to do a walkthrough of the BoC like I do with others, the “Catholic Answers Forum“ is not the place that I teach

You see, no one is asking you to do a ‘walkthrough’ of anything. I asked a very simple task of where I could read the historical point-of-view you claim that the BOC lays out for what the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic should look like today, and you give me a URL link. Saying you don’t teach on CAF makes me wonder what on earth you are doing here.

Proselytizing is against the rules here. You won’t bait me into doing it

Or, you could just show me the ‘history’ laid out in the BOC…

No matter how much you denigrate me, my beliefs, my church, or anything else

Where have I done this?

 

[AugustTherese]

This is literally what the BoC does. Read it. Don’t cherry-pick offensive-sounding tidbits

Those are not ‘offensive-sounding tidbits’. What I quoted regarding the Papacy is downright diabolic. That is not meant to denigrate you, your faith, or your church.

 

[steido01]

See, you’ve already made a judgement without even asking what Lutherans mean by the word or why they apply it to the papacy. And you did it for shock value.

That’s not discussion in good faith; it’s the imposition of your preconceived notions on someone else’s faith.

Under the circumstances, we cannot have an open discussion about Lutheran beliefs. This is not the place, and you are not in a receptive state of mind. You prefer confrontation.

 

[lordjules]

Actually that is part of it. By taking communion you are remembering that Christ died for your sins and agreeing to walk in the sacrificial way of Christ even if that leads to you being martyred. The non Catholic Church doesn’t have the following the Church part but it does have the crucified with Christ part and although the Catholic Church has the right to deny communion to non Catholics many of us believe that this is grievous to Christ as it promotes division rather than harmony amongst Christians of all stripes.

Incidentaly I’m firmly of the open table opinion when it comes to communion whatever Christian community you come from.

 

[JonNC]

AugustTherese:

Can you, if you will, from a pure historical account, show me how ‘the Lutheran formulation of the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic faith as laid out in the Book of Concord’ is the closest visible manifestation of what the ancient church should look like today’?

Sure: www.bookofconcord.org

That’s literally what the Lutheran Confessions do. They draw on the Fathers, the Scriptures, the traditions of the church and plain reason to seek the faith handed down from the Apostles.

But I don’t think this is the place to start a study on the BoC.

This is most certainly true. One of the best examples is from the Apology, where Melanchthon describes the defense of the doctrine the real presence using the Universal Church, the Fathers, and Scripture.
Out of fear of being suspended if I post the relatively short text, I will instead link to it for interested parties to read.
http://www.bookofconcord.org/defense_8_holysupper.php

 

[AugustTherese]

This is most certainly true

Anyone can ‘draw on the Fathers, the Scriptures, [etc.]’, found a ‘church’ and claim it to be the visible manifestation of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, but that doesn’t make it so…Just because a few guys decided to draw up some documents and confess to believe in the Real Presence does not make their ‘church’ the one Christ founded.

 

[JonNC]

It is absolutely fine to recieve Communion at a Protestant church… if you are a Protestant.

Not necessarily. Since there really is no such thing as a Protestant Church, one instead must look at individual communions.
I, for example, would not receive communion in a Baptist church for the same reason I would not in a Catholic Church: differing beliefs.

 

[JonNC]

JonNC:

This is most certainly true

Anyone can ‘draw on the Fathers, the Scriptures, [etc.]’, found a ‘church’ and claim it to be the visible manifestation of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, but that doesn’t make it so…Just because a few guys decided to draw up some documents and confess to believe in the Real Presence does not make their ‘church’ the one Christ founded.

Thanks for you opinion.
The question was how did the confessions reference the Fathers and the early Church.
I gave an example.

 

[Maximilian75]

First off your bread and cup of grape juice is insulting

The OP said Protestant.
That term encompasses everything from High Church Anglicans and Lutherans, who have very strong Eucharistic theologies, to the First Evangeli-Baptist Church down the street which most likely thinks that their Communion is just bread and wine

 

[JonNC]

Dhc8_Type:

First off your bread and cup of grape juice is insulting

The OP said Protestant.
That term encompasses everything from High Church Anglicans and Lutherans, who have very strong Eucharistic theologies, to the First Evangeli-Baptist Church down the street which most likely thinks that their Communion is just bread and wine

Which is why the term serves no purpose when speaking of practice and doctrine.