Communion before Jesus?

[coleraine]

Hi.
I was recently watching the history channel, and there was a show on about the dead sea scrolls as well as some other scrolls found from the same time area. one was from a splinter group of jews, who had phrases such as "the son of god" in there writings, and the statement that they drank wine and ate bread in a communion like fashion because of "the son of god". but this was before the coming of christ. many people now use this as a means to discredit christianity and, and even more so catholicism, what with the communion like practice. i have no idea how to even begin to argue this topic.

 

[tobinatorstark]

Hi.

 I was recently watching the history channel, and there was a show on about the dead sea scrolls as well as some other scrolls found from the same time area. one was from a splinter group of jews, who had phrases such as "the son of god" in there writings, and the statement that they drank wine and ate bread in a communion like fashion because of "the son of god". but this was before the coming of christ. many people now use this as a means to discredit christianity and, and even more so catholicism, what with the communion like practice. i have no idea how to even begin to argue this topic.

That is “Son of God” not “son of god”. During the life of Abraham, Malchezadek, the high priest gave the offering of bread and wine. Also it is “Catholicism” and not “catholicism”

 

[jrsmith]

That is “Son of God” not “son of god”. During the life of Abraham, Malchezadek, the high priest gave the offering of bread and wine. Also it is “Catholicism” and not “catholicism”

Also it is “Melchizedek”, not “Malchezadek”…

 

[TheDoctor]

Hi.

 I was recently watching the history channel, and there was a show on about the dead sea scrolls as well as some other scrolls found from the same time area. one was from a splinter group of jews, who had phrases such as "the son of god" in there writings, and the statement that they drank wine and ate bread in a communion like fashion because of "the son of god". but this was before the coming of christ. many people now use this as a means to discredit christianity and, and even more so catholicism, what with the communion like practice. i have no idea how to even begin to argue this topic.

I would begin thus:

1. The History channel is not the truth channel. It is sadly more entertainment than history, so let’s ignore that and ask to see the scrolls themselves.
2. If these scrolls do exist and do mention a SOG (let’s see what the grammar cops do with that one) and a communion, what else do they say about their SOG? There were many groups waiting for the Messiah,and scripture warns us that false prophets will come. So as to “their” SOG:

• was he born of a virgin?
• did he cure the sick?
• did he perform miracles?
• did he preach the salvation of man?
• did he establish a Church?
• did he give his earthly life so we could have eternal life?
• did he rise from the dead?
• did he ascend into Heaven?
• is his Church still around today?

Just because someone claims to be the SOG does not mean he is the SOG. Fakes and nut-jobs do not invalidate a religion.

 

[rpp]

While many of the scroll have been dated to as early as 250 BC, others have been dated to around 100 AD. The scroll were believed to have been buried around 300 AD. We know for certain that some of the scroll were written after the time of Christ because He is mentioned by name. In addition, the scrolls were the source of the Gnostic “gospels”. These definitely post dated Christ.

The History Channel has a reputation for NOT telling the truth about Christianity or the Catholic Church. They have done this repeatedly on topics from the Crusades and the inquisitions to the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Popes. I addition, I once had the opportunity to speak to an archeologist/priest who was interviewed for a History Channel documentary. He stated that his comments were edited and rearranged to make him appear to say things that he did not, even to say the opposite of what he actually did. I do not trust them.