Communion By The Hand

[Brooklyn]

Again, the Last Supper is viewed by the Church as the institution of the Eucharist. No where does the Church Teach that the Eucharist could not occur before Pentecost.

I also pointed out that Judas left before this part of the Last Supper.

Where does the Church say that Christ himself changed the bread and wine into His Body and Blood? Again, I can only ask, why would Christ desecrate himself by giving this to those who had not yet received the Holy Spirit and were not in a state of grace?

 

[agnes_therese]

The idea that layfolk can or ought to hold Jesus Christ; the Son of God in their hands is a GROSS lack of respect due to our God.

Are you saying that Cardinal Ratzinger, now our Pontiff, is guilty of “a GROSS lack of respect due to our God” when he said that CITH is a reasonable way to receive? Because that is specifically saying that “layfolk can” hold the Eucharist in out hands.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Judas did not leave the last meal.

Luke 22:

[14] And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him. [15] And he said to them: With desire I have desired to eat this pasch with you, before I suffer.

[16] For I say to you, that from this time I will not eat it, till it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God. [17] And having taken the chalice, he gave thanks, and said: Take, and divide it among you: [18] For I say to you, that I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, till the kingdom of God come. [19] And taking bread, he gave thanks, and brake; and gave to them, saying: This is my body, which is given for you. Do this for a commemoration of me. [20] In like manner the chalice also, after he had supped, saying: This is the chalice, the new testament in my blood, which shall be shed for you.

[21] But yet behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table. [22] And the Son of man indeed goeth, according to that which is determined: but yet, woe to that man by whom he shall be betrayed. [23] And they began to inquire among themselves, which of them it was that should do this thing. [24] And there was also a strife amongst them, which of them should seem to be the greater. [25] And he said to them: The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and they that have power over them, are called beneficent.

Judas was most definitely present when Christ instituted the Eucharist.

Your right. Sorry about that. I can admit when I am wrong.

Judas was there at the institution of the Eucharist and received.

So what is so wrong about that.

We have free will and are free to receive the Eucharist when in mortal sin.

But as Judas had yet to betray Jesus, was he in mortal sin?

Where does the Church say that Christ himself changed the bread and wine into His Body and Blood? Again, I can only ask, why would Christ desecrate himself by giving this to those who had not yet received the Holy Spirit and were not in a state of grace?

What does Institution of the Eucharist mean to you?

 

[Annabelle_Marie]

It does matter! It is a dogma of our Faith, declared by Trent, as I posted above. All dogmas and doctrines matter a great deal.

This is true, but it is a logical fallacy to argue that since we can prevent something 100% of the time, we shouldn’t try to prevent it. Take abortion, for example. As things stand now, millions of babies are being murdered despite our efforts to the contrary. However, that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try our hardest to prevent it.

This is the reason why, in the EF, the priest keeps his index finger and thumb together from the moment of consecration until he cleanses his fingers and the vessels. Such a practice nicely fits the dogma defined by Trent.

• PAX

Way to take part of my statement out of context! Why do you even bother having peace at the bottom of your post…

 

[ProVobis]

As I’ve pointed out, when the early Church (after Pentecost, I might add) received, they did so in the hand, but they were so protective of the Blessed Sacrament,

Indeed. I thought this interesting, however.

newadvent.org/cathen/05584a.htm

In ancient Christian times it was customary for the faithful to take the Blessed Sacrament to their homes and Communicate privately, a practice (Tertullian, Ad uxor., II, v), to which, even as late as the fourth century, St. Basil makes reference (Epistle 93). Up to the ninth century, it was usual for the priest to place the Sacred Host in the right hand of the recipient, who kissed it and then transferred it to his own mouth; women, from the fourth century onward, were required in this ceremony to have a cloth wrapped about their right hand.

 

[Annabelle_Marie]

RECEIVING CHRIST

NOT

taking Christ

God Bless,
Pat

Actually when Christ is placed in my hands I am receiving Him…not taking Him! Someone who grabs the Eucharist is usually how a Protestant will self identify. BIG DIFFERENCE!

 

[Brooklyn]

Your right. Sorry about that. I can admit when I am wrong.

Judas was there at the institution of the Eucharist and received.

So what is so wrong about that.

We have free will and are free to receive the Eucharist when in mortal sin.

But as Judas had yet to betray Jesus, was he in mortal sin?

What does Institution of the Eucharist mean to you?

None of the apostles were in a state of grace at the institution of the Eucharist. The only person on earth who was in a state of grace at that time was the Blessed Mother. There is no way to make that any plainer.

When the Holy Spirit descended upon the apostles and disciples at Pentecost, it was only then that that could receive the Body and Blood of our Lord.

What is wrong about Judas receiving Communion? Wow.

 

[ProVobis]

Actually when Christ is placed in my hands I am receiving Him…not taking Him! Someone who grabs the Eucharist is usually how a Protestant will self identify. BIG DIFFERENCE!

FWIW, I believe it was the Reformers who decided to do away with COTT. Just saying.

 

[Big_Feet]

FWIW, I believe it was the Reformers who decided to do away with COTT. Just saying.

No one in the Catholic Church has done away with COTT!!!

 

[ProVobis]

No one in the Catholic Church has done away with COTT!!!

You can’t convince me some haven’t tried.