Communion in the hand and medjugorie?

[CilladeRoma]

Believe what you want.
I know that there are people on both sides of the spectrum who have agendas they want to push, but the extremists on both sides are the ones who are doing the harm to the Church.

I try to stay in the middle. I do what the Church allows me to do, and I obey when I need to. All I ask is that my motives and orthodoxy are not questioned, which you continuously do.

I do not believe that the Church would ever just “go along to get along” on something that really mattered. If you do, that is your choice, but I will ask one more time, stop insulting me.

 

[angel12]

It’s allowed as an option

There. Narrowed it down to the essence.

 

[CilladeRoma]

Please open your eyes and just be faithful to the truthfulness and fullness Church and not to what appeals to heretics

Stop!
How dare you!

Just because I do not believe in your conspiracy theories, does not mean I don’t know what truth is.

You and those who share your attitudes is what is so wrong with the Church.

 

[Trishie]

Going back to Jesus at the supper when He instituted Communion, are we intending a discussion of whether or not Jesus placed on the tongue or not.
Jesus is surely the source and the authority so perhaps our search for His will begins there, with Him, with His actions?

Did He go around the twelve placing the consecrated Bread on their tongues, their hands? What then … but no one could or should ever Doubt the intention of love, and grace in the profound heart-soul gift of Jesus to all generations since Jesus instituted the sacrament at his last meal with His first priests. Nor would we debate that anything Jesus chose to do was anything other than holy and worthy.

And did He not say, to Peter, the first pope, that the gates of hell will not prevail against the Church, so why are those amongst us saying it is crumbling? Are we judging the Church? Are we trusting God regarding the Church?

First of all … Eyes and ears to Jesus Christ, Son of God? It is He who instituted the Church and the Sacraments!

Eyes on love and grace.

 

[Rob2]

One was approved by the Holy See and another wasn’t

At Medjugorje the Eucharist is central - - - - - - - Approved by the Holy See .

At Medjugorje the Sacrament of Reconciliation is encouraged with success - - - - - - - Approved by the Holy See .

At Medjugorje fasting is encouraged and practised - - - - - - - - Approved by the Holy See .

At Medjugorje the praying of the Rosary is commonplace - - - - -Approved by the Holy See .

At Medjugorje Eucharistic Adoration fills the church - - - - - Approved by the Holy See .

At Medjugorje many give testimony of a profound conversion of heart - - - - - - Approved by the Holy See

At Medjugorje the reading of Scripture and personal prayer are fostered - - - - - - - Approved by the Holy See

At Medjugorje Our Lady is revered - - - - - - - Approved by the Holy See

At Medjugorje people may learn how to spell “Medjugorje” .

 

[godisgood77]

Except that it is the universal born in practice

 

[godisgood77]

At Medjugorje Our Lady is revered - - - - - - - Approved by the Holy See

At Medjugorje, the Church prohibits the faithful from attending events where the authenticity of the supposed apparitions is assumed to be true

 

[MagdalenaRita]

So, I’m not sure what you are saying but I think you are saying that because Jesus didn’t place the bread on the apostles tongue that is not how we should receive?

I agree with you that Jesus instituted the Church and we need to hear what the Church says.

Here is a very good article from a good and holy priest regarding how communion in the hand started and how should approach the subject.

Truth About Communion in the Hand While Standing

Sacred liturgy and liturgical arts. Liturgical history and theology. The movements for the Usus Antiquior and Reform of the Reform.

www.newliturgicalmovement.org

 

[MagdalenaRita]

I do not know much about Medjugorie but as far as communion in the hand, I believe the indult had guidelines set down by Pope Paul VI and I believe people should re-look to see if those guidelines are being followed.

This article from Fr. Richard Heilman is excellent.

Truth About Communion in the Hand While Standing

Sacred liturgy and liturgical arts. Liturgical history and theology. The movements for the Usus Antiquior and Reform of the Reform.

www.newliturgicalmovement.org

 

[Rob2]

Pope Benedict XVI, in his book “God is Near Us,” gives us some instructions on how to receive Holy Communion by the hand in a proper, reverential way.

Receiving Holy Communion in the Hand

Pope Benedict XVI, in his book “God is Near Us,” gives us some instructions on how to receive Holy Communion by the hand in a proper, reverential way. He quotes St. Cyril of Jerusalem (…

christopherjmoorewriter.wordpress.com

 

[Roseeurekacross]

You’re totally unaware of what occurred internally directly after Vatican II and even basic tenets of the Church but still making arguments anyways. A

Good old conspiracy theories.

An Indult is an authorization of the Pope allowing something that is otherwise not lawful.

Not lawful is not the correct definition and is quite misleading.

From what I’m seeing from my perspective, many things that are considered quite traditionally Catholic will soon make quite a resurgence (despite no requirement) once the younger generations start taking over.

The true tradition here is the one Jesus instituted. Exactly!

 

[Roseeurekacross]

Another fairly well known Bishop who I won’t name spoke about, among other things, the homosexuality crisis within seminaries world-wide well over 20 or 25 years ago and was totally ostracized regarding everything he said. He claimed then the Pope could do nothing about it.

This has nothing to do with the topic. And furthermore you are making a lot of unsubstantiated claims.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

And early Christians were receiving in the hand

I believe to understand that when the early Christians received in the hand, they had a cloth placed on their hand first and then moved both hands up to their mouths to receive, never really allowing their unconsecrated hands to touch the Host.

It was also only allowed during times of persecution and when there wasn’t a priest around.

 

[Roseeurekacross]

No, read the instructions of one of the early fathers. Cup hands, don’t spill crumbs everywhere .

 

[MagdalenaRita]

Yes, I agree about the cupped hands but then a cloth was placed over the cupped hands and they moved both hands to their mouth, not picking up the host with one hand out of another hand.

It was also only allowed during times of persecution and when a priest wasn’t around.

 

[Roseeurekacross]

No it wasn’t, not in the earlier one. Who issued the instructions for the cloth related one?

Bishop Cyril is said to issues these instructions

“ fourth century Bishop Cyril of Jerusalem gave this instruction to those who were about to join the church: “When you come forward for communion, do not draw near with your hands wide open or with fingers spread apart; instead, with you left hand make a throne for the right hand, which will receive the King. Receive the body of Christ in the hollow of your hand and give the response: Amen.”

 

[MagdalenaRita]

I like the reverence he was instructing them to have when receiving the host but there is some controversy with that quote. It is taken out of context and may not really have even been his quote.

This is just one article regarding that quote. You can find others but there is a long comment in the comment section or this article by someone who also explains the controversy of that quote.

Did the Church Fathers Practice Communion in the Hand? (Not Exactly) - Taylor Marshall

 

[Brendan_64]

Perhaps, it’s an inspiration by the Holy Spirit that lead to the disobedience and the indult. It’s here to stay.

So you think God would inspire people to disobey His Church on such matters?

 

[Brendan_64]

Did He go around the twelve placing the consecrated Bread on their tongues, their hands?

We cannot be entirely sure in what manner exactly the Twelve received at the Last Supper. Although the visions of Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich indicate Communion directly into the mouths of the Apostles.

 

[angel12]

Irrelevant. Just know the Universal Norm of the Roman Catholic Church is to receive kneeling and on the tongue and you’re choosing to stray from it.

Oh, thank you SO much! Now it makes sense! – Doing what’s allowed by Church means you are straying from the Church.
Got it.