Communion in the Hand

[Esrb99]

sigh

Do people not read the thread at all?

Tabernacle in the middle? Franciscan tradition. Tabernacle in a side chapel? Benedictine tradition. The EF? Originated as a missal given to the Franciscans (with some adaptation, obviously). Rosary? Dominican.

Seculars adopting the practices of Religious is THE story of the Roman Rite.

I never said that the adoption was illegitimate. Of course adoptions are made, but its not the only place adoptions come from. I was merely commenting that just because a certian religious order has certian practices does not mean they should be introduced to teh main of the Roman Rite, that is all. If there are underlying reasons for introducing it and an order has already implemented it successfully, then by all means we should take a look at it. I’m not even saying that CITH wasn’t implemented in this manner. My point is that was there a theological reason or need for its introduction as a borrowing from the Franciscans?

And now for our daily lesson in statistics.

Correlation does not equal causation. Nor do you give any reason behind whether CITH is behind “lack of belief in the real presence” except as a dogmatic assertion (which is probably just parroted from other traditionalists who have been saying the same thing just as dogmatically for a long time)

Again, I know this. All I was saying was that I feel it is a valid position to hold that CITH be considered along with revising catechesis. I never said it was wrong, at all.

So, what does CITH have to do with it at all then? Again, there’s no explanation of why CITH is responsible at all other then “I’m going to blame it because I don’t like it”.

I never said CITH is responsible. I said it could possibly be something that could be given another look, parish by parish, along with catechesis, sacred music, etc. That doesn’t even mean it has to be prohibited at the parish level. Even if it means describing how communion used to be received, and how CITH should be done with the faithful mindful of the real presence, being reverent, etc. All I am saying is that along with catchesis, CITH and proper piety to our lord should be addressed. I never said done away with.

The Holy See does not seem to see a problem at all, considering that they continue to allow an indult. I think you’re seeing a problem (or trying to read in a problem) that doesn’t exist.

I think the argument could be made in the opposite direction, precisely on one’s definition of ‘the holy see’. It could be said that the holy see is already/has already taken a look at CITH, as the Holy Father now only distributes on the tongue and kneeling, to underscore the truth of the sacrament. He isn’t forcing any priests to follow his lead, but he clearly feels that COTT is one method (of MANY!!!) to underscore the real presence (not to mention prevent hosts being taken as souvenirs).

 

[Esrb99]

What many dioceses are doing is revisiting how they do adult faith formation. That’s where the real problem lies. Our faith formation programs are horrific.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV

Thanks for the reply! I completely agree about adult formation. Sadly, I also have to say that (at least where I’m from) the formation of children also led something to desire. It was only when I began to research more about the faith last year (as a 22 year old college student) and discovered Catholic Answers, Fisheaters, WDTPRS, etc. did I discover the doctrine of the real presence, the mass as a sacrifice, and many other things.

 

[Thomas_Casey]

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[SuperTrad]

The point keeps being raised: X religious brothers had Y practice, which, as it’s now been done by lay people in diocesan churches, is excuse enough.

It isn’t. It’s just faddism. But it’s interestng how eagerly its been adopted. I have read many reasons for the laity not to receive CITH. I haven’t read one practical reason for it. Only legalisms.

The Church’s mission is to save souls. Stopping proud Westerners who don’t know their faith kneeling to receive and letting them stand up to receive, in their hands, a sacred object doesn’t help this.

 

[Melchior_1]

The point keeps being raised: X religious brothers had Y practice, which, as it’s now been done by lay people in diocesan churches, is excuse enough.

Which is exactly how you got the Rosary, the Divine Office, and the Tridentine.

 

[agnes_therese]

The Church’s mission is to save souls. Stopping proud Westerners who don’t know their faith kneeling to receive and letting them stand up to receive, in their hands, a sacred object doesn’t help this.

I trust you’ve informed the Holy Father that you know better than he how to save souls?