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I just read ch. 12 of vol.1, Vatican Council II documents which basically states that Communion is to be distrubuted on the tongue and not in the hand and those abusing this in the Church needed to distribute Communion on the tongue. Why then is reception on the hand the norm?
 
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Tish:
I just read ch. 12 of vol.1, Vatican Council II documents which basically states that Communion is to be distrubuted on the tongue and not in the hand and those abusing this in the Church needed to distribute Communion on the tongue. Why then is reception on the hand the norm?
This question has been repeatedly asked. Why don’t you try a search of the forums and see all of the threads where it’s been discussed?

The Church permits it, thus it is not an abuse.
 
I tried to do a search on this topic and only came up with this thread. How would I find other threads on this topic. I am the mother of seven and do not have time to read every topic posted here. As a senior member maybe you could help me out.
 
Congradulations on the kids they are wonderful aren’t they, I have 6 myself.

The Church does allow for the reception in the hands, but I have heard and I cant remember a whole lot about it, that this was a change that was made due to some dissenting Catholics who made a whole lot of demands of which this was one of the two that the bishops allowed. I think it had to do with some nuns and priests who were dissenting back in the 60’s or 70’s. I cant remember much more than this sorry.

My personal preference is to receive on the tongue though. My reasoning is that I am not worthy to receive Him except that He told me too and since I am not worthy to loose the staps of His sandles I prefer the priest to place Him on my tongue. I truely believe if people would realize the awesome reality of what they are doing we would fall on our faces with adoration before receiving Him at all. Again this is my opinion and I submit to the authority of the Church in all things.
 
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Tish:
I tried to do a search on this topic and only came up with this thread. How would I find other threads on this topic. I am the mother of seven and do not have time to read every topic posted here. As a senior member maybe you could help me out.
Here is one link (I just did a search and you’re right, it wasn’t terribly helpful):

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=79010&highlight=hand+tongue+Communion

Communion in the hand was the practice of the ancient Church (Apostolic and Patristic Age). It is now permitted again under an “indult.” The bishops’ conference in a given country petitions the Holy See for the indult. The Holy See grants it. No bishop (within a conference) can be forced to implement it, but once he’s permitted it, it cannot be disallowed at a future time (it would take a pope’s action to do so). The laity, after the permission is granted, may rec. either in the hand or on the tongue, but may not be forced to receive either way, unless intinction is used in which case, Holy Communion MUST be received on the tongue. As it is allowed by the Church, it is not an abuse.

I prefer to receive in the hand. I feel self-conscious rec. on the tongue. If you don’t wish to rec. in the hand, you cannot be made to do so.

7 kids! You’re doing God’s work. May He bless you (but it sounds as though He has!).
 
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tdandh26:
Congradulations on the kids they are wonderful aren’t they, I have 6 myself.

The Church does allow for the reception in the hands, but I have heard and I cant remember a whole lot about it, that this was a change that was made due to some dissenting Catholics who made a whole lot of demands of which this was one of the two that the bishops allowed. I think it had to do with some nuns and priests who were dissenting back in the 60’s or 70’s. I cant remember much more than this sorry.

My personal preference is to receive on the tongue though. My reasoning is that I am not worthy to receive Him except that He told me too and since I am not worthy to loose the staps of His sandles I prefer the priest to place Him on my tongue. I truely believe if people would realize the awesome reality of what they are doing we would fall on our faces with adoration before receiving Him at all. Again this is my opinion and I submit to the authority of the Church in all things.
You souldn’t pass-on such stuff unless you can document the source.
 
Vatican 2 documents are not “cast in stone”, as it were; meaning that the only way a disciplinary rule could be changed would be by a subsequent Council.

The issue of Communion in the hand is a disciplinary rule. the church has the authority, through the actions of the Pope, to change disciplinary rules, and no pope has the authority to bind future popes from changing his decision. This refers specifically to the comments made by documents, for example, and rulings for the Council of Trent, and subsequent rulings, which had the language in them which sounds as if the rules are permanent and absolute. Any reading of any history of all of those rules, and other rules of disciplinary nature, would quickly show that this is the case; one pope would make a rule, and another one, some times the next one, would change it.

By the authority of the pope we were granted permission to receive in the hand. It has historical roots in the early church and was followed for quite some time.

Some people have a problem with receiving in the hand. The Church has said that it may be done but is not the mandatory way of receiving, as one may receive on the tongue also.

Much has been made by some that reception in the hand was started, post Vatican 2, without permission. Without judging the correctness of that statement, the response is to a certain extent - “so what?”, as Rome has seen fit to chage the rule. Those who complain seem to be following a pattern of though that it is not right; whether that is from a liturgical standpoint or a moral one is not entirely clear. They obviously do not like it. They often equate the decision to allow reception in the hand with all sorts of problems, including a loss of reverence and a loss of belief in the True Presence, but never offer any more than their personal opinion. Their arguements could be charitably described as simplistic in the extreme.
 
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AltarMan:
You souldn’t pass-on such stuff unless you can document the source.
I appologize AltarMan, I read it in the book “An exorcist tells his story.” But, I did affirm the fact that reception in the hand has been approved by the Church. If I had been trying to deceive someone I would have left that out.
 
+JMJ+

Communion in the hand had not been allowed but it became so wide spread here in the states that they allowed it.But even John Paul 2 would not allow it in his private chapel and discouraged it in St.Peter’s Basilica.I found this on www.unavoce.org/
Communion in The Hand
Code:
  As you can see I am for recieveing on the tounge ONLY,but Rome has spoken and I will not judge a person for recieveing on the hand.I just wish people would at least consider that it is possible for the Host to fall  when recieveing on the hand.One day maybe we will go back to the way it was before. :rolleyes: 


 God bless you and Mary keep you!
 
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tdandh26:
Congradulations on the kids they are wonderful aren’t they, I have 6 myself.

The Church does allow for the reception in the hands, but I have heard and I cant remember a whole lot about it, that this was a change that was made due to some dissenting Catholics who made a whole lot of demands of which this was one of the two that the bishops allowed. I think it had to do with some nuns and priests who were dissenting back in the 60’s or 70’s. I cant remember much more than this sorry.

My personal preference is to receive on the tongue though. My reasoning is that I am not worthy to receive Him except that He told me too and since I am not worthy to loose the staps of His sandles I prefer the priest to place Him on my tongue. I truely believe if people would realize the awesome reality of what they are doing we would fall on our faces with adoration before receiving Him at all. Again this is my opinion and I submit to the authority of the Church in all things.
It is so nice to hear from people like you. I choose to receive on the tongue as well. I also cover my head out of the same adoration.
 
PROUD 2 B RC:
Even the priest wash his thumb and fore finger in a ablution bowl or puts him thumbs and fore finger over the chalice when the server pours water in the chalice.The priest takes no risk **HOW DARE WE TAKE RISKS!**Especially with the BODY, BLOOD, SOUL, AND DIVINITY OF OUR LORD!

God bless you and Mary keep you!
Wow!! God Bless you. My children, husband and I do not receive in the hand for these very reasons.
😉

:blessyou:
 
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Tish:
I just read ch. 12 of vol.1, Vatican Council II documents which basically states that Communion is to be distrubuted on the tongue and not in the hand and those abusing this in the Church needed to distribute Communion on the tongue. Why then is reception on the hand the norm?
I think you are refering to the document “Memoriale Domini” of 29 May 1969. It is in Chapter 12 of "Vatican Council II: Volume 1, The Conciliar and Post Conciliar Documents, General Editor: Austin Flannery, 1996, ISBN 0-918344-39-5, page 148.

It does say, on page 151: "the Holy Father has decided not to change the existing way of administering holy communion to the faithful.
“The Apostolic See therefore emphatically urges bishops, priests and laity to obey carefully the law which is still valid and which has again been confirmed.”

But it says that where “placing holy communion in the hand, prevails” the Conference of Bishops of a particular country is to take a vote. If 2/3 rds approved of communion in the hand they received a letter from the Vatican, like that on page 152, giving them permission to do it.

This is the process that happened, so in some countries communion in the hand is permitted.
 
PROUD 2 B RC said:
+JMJ+

Communion in the hand had not been allowed but it became so wide spread here in the states that they allowed it.But even John Paul 2 would not allow it in his private chapel and discouraged it in St.Peter’s Basilica.I found this on www.unavoce.org/
Communion in The Hand
  • St. Thomas Aquinas: The great Doctor of the Church writes,“Out of reverence towards this Sacrament (Eucharist), nothing touches it but what is consecrated” (Summa, Pt III Q.Q2 Art. 3)
  • History: Disobedience to the Pope; Communion in the hand was illegally introduced in Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, France and in the U.S. well before Pope Paul VI wrote “Memoriale Domini”. The Holy See firmly opossed the disobedient and abusive practice from the beginning.
  • St. Basil: (330 - 379 AD) Considered Communion in the hand a “grave fault”.
  • Council of Rouen: (650 AD) “Do not put the Eucharist in the hands of any layperson, but only in their mouths.”
  • Council of Constantinople: (695 AD)“prohibited the faithful from giving Communion to themselves.” “It decreed an excommunication of one week’s duration for those who would do so in the presence of a bishop, priest, or deacon.”
  • The Council of Saragozza: (380 AD)“It was decided to punish with excommunication antone who dared to continue the practice of Communion in the Hand.”
  • Council of Trent:“To priests alone has been given power to consecrate and administer the Holy Eucharist. That the unvarying practice of the Church has also been, that the faithful receive the Sacrament from the hands of the priest…”
  • Pope Paul VI: In Memoriale Domini (May 29, 1969), the Pope recognized that Communion on the tongue was more conducive to faith, reverence, and humility.
  • Memoriale Domini:Pope Paul VI stated that: “The Apostolic See therefore vehemently urges bishops, priests and laity to carefully submit to the law (Communion on the tongue) which is still valid and which has been confirmed” (#16)
  • Pope John Paul II:
  1. Had a sign posted on St Peter’s Bascilica specifying that all priest who celebrate Mass in St Peter’s, no mater where they come from, were to give Communion on the tongue.
  2. Currently gives Communion only on the tongue in his private Masses at the Vatican. Concelebrating priest are told to do the same.
  3. said: “I did not revoke what one of my predecessors has said about this … Hear, my dear priests and my dear brothers and sisiters, only Communion on the tongue and kneeling is allowed. I say this to you as your bishop!”,
  4. On Communion in the hand: “There is an apostolic letter that the existence of this special permission is valid. But I tell you, that I am not in favor of it… neither will I recommend it !” (Nov. 1980, Germany)
  • Mother Teresa of Calcutta:Statement by Mother Teresa of Calcutta
    "Futher it is the custom in our Society, and my known wish, that the Sisters receive Holy Communion on the tongue, which to my knowledge they are doing everywhere. (India 1995)
  • Fr. John Hardon S.J.:“Whatever you do to stop Communion in the hand will be blessed by God”
  • Bishop Juan Laise of San Luis, Argentina:Warns “With Communion in the hand, a miracle would be required during each distribution of Communion to avoid some particles from falling to the ground or remaining in the hand of the faithful.”
Intresting information dont you think!Just think of it this way,if you recieve in the hand,what happens when you walk away,leave the church and go on with you day.Is it not possible that a particle was on your hand and it fell to the ground,and our Lord is now getting stepped on!Even the priest wash his thumb and fore finger in a ablution bowl or puts him thumbs and fore finger over the chalice when the server pours water in the chalice.The priest takes no risk **HOW DARE WE TAKE RISKS!**Especially with the BODY, BLOOD, SOUL, AND DIVINITY OF OUR LORD!

As you can see I am for recieveing on the tounge ONLY,but Rome has spoken and I will not judge a person for recieveing on the hand.I just wish people would at least consider that it is possible for the Host to fall when recieveing on the hand.One day maybe we will go back to the way it was before. :rolleyes:

God bless you and Mary keep you!

If you don’t want to rec. in the hand, then don’t. It is a discipline, not a dogma. Thus, the Church is free to allow it. As for “I will not judge a person for recieving (sic) in the hand,” please note you already have done so by your use of boldface type (“how dare we take risks,” etc.). Apparently, those of us who DO rec. in the handle are flippantly casual about the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of the Lord. John Paul the Great said he didn’t accuse those who chose to rec. in the hand of irrevrence, so why would you?
 
+JMJ+
Code:
I do not think it to be irreverent but I do think it to be risky.As for me judging if I judged I did not itnend to,my own mother recieves in the hand.I dont say hey you are not reverent,no I do not!I do think it wrong but like I said Rome has spoken.Other than that my aurgument stands.O and if you could,tell me,are you sure that not one tiny piece of our Lord could fall to the ground when you recieve in the hand.Also could you please explain why a lay erson should recieve on the hand,and not use an ablution bowl,just incase a particle is still on your fingers or palm?If the priest uses one why shouldnt those lay people who recieve on the hand not do the same?So I say again,the priest doesent take risks **HOW DARE WE TAKE RISKS! ** Especially with the **BODY,BLOOD,SOUL,AND DIVINITY OF OUR LORD!**

Take what I have said as you will.But I stand by it.Maybe it is making a judgement and if it is am I wrong for wanting what is the safest way to recieve our Lord?No.Can you honestly say recieveing on the hand is the safest way to recieve?It started as an abuse and I hope it will one day end but hopefully not at the price of people leaving the church?So I did not mean to judge and I am sorry if I did but I must stand for what I think is the safest way to recieve.It is obviously safer to recieve on the tongue.There is no hand involvement of the lay person, very little or at least much less possibility of a particle falling to the ground.O and could you please tell me what you have to say about the quotes above?How do you explain them and then justify recieveing on the hand?Not trying to judge,just wondering?Honestly. :confused:  :( 

God bless you and Mary keep you!
 
+JMJ+

Just one more thing,after all is said and done I think Christ is happy just because we recieved no matter how we actualy recieve ,be it tongue or hand.So let us not get to far into bickering about it lest we offend him.
God bless uou and Mary keep you!
 
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Why is one’s tongue considered more consecrated than the hand? Now figure out a way to receive without touching any part of your body, including your tongue, throat and stomach and you will have done something.

As to what many in the past said, let us put this in context. If I lived when my Church directed to receive thus, of course I would. These councils and popes were speakin to the faithful then. That is the way disciplinary matters are addressed.
 
From what I am learning on this issue since I first wrote my original post it seems to me that it is not an issue of which part of the body is"more consecrated" than another but which method of reception would lead to the least abuses of our Lord. Placing the Host directly on the tongue gets Him to where He is intended to be and eliminates the servere potential for abuse to which placing Him in the hand may lead. From what I read this is why the early church abandoned Communion in the Hand and I feel very uneasy that the practice of Commuinion in the Hand was introduced by dissident members of the Church who only then later sought permission for doing what they were told not to do.
 
+JMJ+

Did I say it was more consecrated,nope!I said it was safer for the Body,Blood,Soul,and Divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ.It is safer because there is less of a chance of the Host being dropped or a particle of the Host being left on the hand and not being dipped in and ablution bowl.Can you honestly say otherwise? :confused:

God bless you and Mary keep you!

P.S.You asked why is one’s tongue more consected than one’s hand well actualy the only hands consecrated to handle the Host are the ordinary ministers of Holy Communion. 😃
 
PROUD 2 B RC said:
+JMJ+

Communion in the hand had not been allowed but it became so wide spread here in the states that they allowed it.But even John Paul 2 would not allow it in his private chapel and discouraged it in St.Peter’s Basilica.I found this on www.unavoce.org/

And virtually everything thing that they post is in error or not relevant…
Communion in The Hand
  • St. Thomas Aquinas: The great Doctor of the Church writes,“Out of reverence towards this Sacrament (Eucharist), nothing touches it but what is consecrated” (Summa, Pt III Q.Q2 Art. 3)
First, St. Thomas was simply stating the practice of the day – and he failed to observe that the tongue touches the Blessed Sacrement and is not consecrated.
  • History: Disobedience to the Pope; Communion in the hand was illegally introduced in Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, France and in the U.S. well before Pope Paul VI wrote “Memoriale Domini”. The Holy See firmly opossed the disobedient and abusive practice from the beginning.
This is the same way the Eucharistic Adoration and numerous other practices in the Church arose – from the people. However, Pope Paul VI did poll the bishops on this and finally decided that if the national conference of bishops requested it Rome would grant the right to give communion in the hand as an indult or exception to the law.
  • St. Basil: (330 - 379 AD) Considered Communion in the hand a “grave fault”.
Actually, he didn’t. The source of this claim is his Letter XCIII which you can read for yourself.
  • Council of Rouen: (650 AD) “Do not put the Eucharist in the hands of any layperson, but only in their mouths.”
Local councils do not determine the practice for the universal Church.
  • Council of Constantinople: (695 AD)“prohibited the faithful from giving Communion to themselves.” “It decreed an excommunication of one week’s duration for those who would do so in the presence of a bishop, priest, or deacon.”
And this continues to be the norm – St. Basil, in the letter above, explains why receiving communion in the hand does not fall into this category. He says, “For when once the priest has completed the offering, and given it, the recipient, participating in it each time as entire, is bound to believe that he properly takes and receives it from the giver.”
  • The Council of Saragozza: (380 AD)“It was decided to punish with excommunication antone who dared to continue the practice of Communion in the Hand.”
Local councils do not determine the practice of the Unversal Church.
  • Council of Trent:“To priests alone has been given power to consecrate and administer the Holy Eucharist. That the unvarying practice of the Church has also been, that the faithful receive the Sacrament from the hands of the priest…”
And this is a discipline which the Church may change – and has done so in this case.
  • Pope Paul VI: In Memoriale Domini (May 29, 1969), the Pope recognized that Communion on the tongue was more conducive to faith, reverence, and humility.
And it remains the norm, but that doesn’t address the fact that Rome did grant permission to the Church to give communion in the hand.
  • Memoriale Domini:Pope Paul VI stated that: “The Apostolic See therefore vehemently urges bishops, priests and laity to carefully submit to the law (Communion on the tongue) which is still valid and which has been confirmed” (#16)
First, there is no pragraph 16 in the cited document. The correct wording is “…observe the law…” not “…submit to the law…” and, finally, it is that very document that permits communion in the hand! In fact, the pope writes: “The rite of communion in the hand must be introduced tactfully…”
  • Pope John Paul II:
  1. Had a sign posted on St Peter’s Bascilica specifying that all priest who celebrate Mass in St Peter’s, no mater where they come from, were to give Communion on the tongue.
Yes, when Italy had not asked for permission to give communion on the tongue that was necessary – since it was a major pilgrimage site.

Let’s not cast the Church in such negative light. It is permitted, it is not the norm, but for those who choose to exercise thast permission in those countries where it is permitted it is a valid option. Let’s not let our own personal choices dictate for the Church.

Deacon Ed
 
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