Communion in the hand

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Deacon Ed: You said “First, there is no pragraph 16 in the cited document. The correct wording is “…observe the law…” not “…submit to the law…” and, finally, it is that very document that permits communion in the hand! In fact, the pope writes: “The rite of communion in the hand must be introduced tactfully…””

It was not this document that permits communion in the hand. It only gives the procedure for requesting permission.

You also said,“Let’s not let our own personal choices dictate for the Church”.

Isn’t that exactly how Communion in the hand came about in the first place since it was being done because someone wanted it done this way even thought the church said no?!

I think the case of the ebay sale of the Holy Eucharist should be enough for anyone to see that Communion should be distributed on the tongue to prevent these types of horrific abuses of His Most Precious Body and Blood.
 
+JMJ+

First and for most I beg God for Holy Forgiveness for posting something that had been altered talking about his Church.Forgive me and thank you Deacon Ed for pointing it out,if you read any of my other posts on the forum you will see I never do such a thing,I am a real stickler about posting only church teaching.I should have researched the quotes above.So again thank you!Truly!

As for the tongue not being consecrated.That is NOT the issue as I have stated already the issue is what is the SAFEST way to recieve and again I say ON THE TONGUE!So I ask again can anyone realy say otherwise?
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P.S.Thanks again Deacon Ed!Seriously!
 
Deacon Ed:
And virtually everything thing that they post is in error or not relevant…
First, St. Thomas was simply stating the practice of the day – and he failed to observe that the tongue touches the Blessed Sacrement and is not consecrated.

This is the same way the Eucharistic Adoration and numerous other practices in the Church arose – from the people. However, Pope Paul VI did poll the bishops on this and finally decided that if the national conference of bishops requested it Rome would grant the right to give communion in the hand as an indult or exception to the law.

Actually, he didn’t. The source of this claim is his Letter XCIII which you can read for yourself.

Local councils do not determine the practice for the universal Church.

And this continues to be the norm – St. Basil, in the letter above, explains why receiving communion in the hand does not fall into this category. He says, “For when once the priest has completed the offering, and given it, the recipient, participating in it each time as entire, is bound to believe that he properly takes and receives it from the giver.”

Local councils do not determine the practice of the Unversal Church.

And this is a discipline which the Church may change – and has done so in this case.

And it remains the norm, but that doesn’t address the fact that Rome did grant permission to the Church to give communion in the hand.

First, there is no pragraph 16 in the cited document. The correct wording is “…observe the law…” not “…submit to the law…” and, finally, it is that very document that permits communion in the hand! In fact, the pope writes: “The rite of communion in the hand must be introduced tactfully…”

Yes, when Italy had not asked for permission to give communion on the tongue that was necessary – since it was a major pilgrimage site.

Let’s not cast the Church in such negative light. It is permitted, it is not the norm, but for those who choose to exercise thast permission in those countries where it is permitted it is a valid option. Let’s not let our own personal choices dictate for the Church.

Deacon Ed
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Deacon Ed: God bless YOU!!! I’m so fed up with this, that’s why I thought the OP could do a search, but we haven’t got the best search engine. Do you recall the address or encyclical where John Paul seemed to question reception in the hand, but said that was not to imply that those who did so were guilty of irreverence? I cannot find it.
 
I see nothing inherently wrong with Communion in the Hand.
I often receive in the hand, in fact most of the time.
I will say this, giving communion in the hand kind of increases the possibility of someone desecrating the host.
At GESU Church in downtown Miami, I saw a man go up for communion, receive in the hand, raise his hand toward his mouth as he turned away, then lowered it and walked back to his pew and did not consume the Host. The priest saw it too (thank God), and shot up the aisle like a rocket and angrily ordered the man to consume the Host, which he finally did under pressure from the priest. If the priest hadn’t done that, who knows, the man might have tried to sell the Host on e-Bay.

Jaypeeto3
 
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Tish:
I think the case of the ebay sale of the Holy Eucharist should be enough for anyone to see that Communion should be distributed on the tongue to prevent these types of horrific abuses of His Most Precious Body and Blood.
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The Sacred Host was secreted away from churches long before communion in the hand was revived, for various nefarious purposes.

If you don’t want to rec. in the hand, then don’t. It’s really quite simple. You cannot be made to do so.
 
+JMJ+

But dont you get it is safer not to recieve in the hand.Are you so set in your ways that you would risks droping our Lord or having a particle of him fall on the ground?!?!As I have stated can you please explain why a priest uses an ablution bowl and cleanses his forefinger and thumb after handling the Body, Blood ,Soul, and Divinity of our Lord and a lay person after touching the Body,Blood,Soul and Divinity of our Lord just goes about his or her day with a possible particle of our Lord on his or her hand?Are you so set in your ways you are willing to risk it?I guess what I am trying to ask is why risk it when you can recieve on the tongue in a safer manner?Please I would like to know! :confused:
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P.S.Moderator please delete my above post with the quotes,I dont not wish anyone to have wrong information just in case they dont read the correction by Deacon Ed,God Bless him!
 
PROUD 2 B RC said:
+JMJ+

But dont you get it is safer not to recieve in the hand.Are you so set in your ways that you would risks droping our Lord or having a particle of him fall on the ground?!?!As I have stated can you please explain why a priest uses an ablution bowl and cleanses his forefinger and thumb after handling the Body, Blood ,Soul, and Divinity of our Lord and a lay person after touching the Body,Blood,Soul and Divinity of our Lord just goes about his or her day with a possible particle of our Lord on his or her hand?Are you so set in your ways you are willing to risk it?I guess what I am trying to ask is why risk it when you can recieve on the tongue in a safer manner?Please I would like to know! :confused:
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P.S.Moderator please delete my above post with the quotes,I dont not wish anyone to have wrong information just in case they dont read the correction by Deacon Ed,God Bless him!
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Why are you pressing people? Everyone is allowed to receive on the tongue or in the hand. They don’t have to tell you why they choose one or the other. Its none of your business and neither is it up to you to judge people who choose by hand. It is permitted by the Church so who are you to try to make anyone feel guilty for doing something they are allowed to do!!
 
+JMJ+

I worry thats why,as an altar server I have seen one to many a time people almost drop our Lord on the ground and actually seen him drop to the ground at least once.That is why!Again all I ask is why!It is proven to be more safe to recieve on the tongue.Does that mean to recieve on the tongue is more reverent? NO!I know plenty of people who recieve on the hand;some very dear friends.But it does honestly boggle my mind why we would recieve in such away that would pose risks to our Lord?

If I have made anybody feel guilty about recieveing in the hand forgive me.All I want is my questioned answered.I jst dont understand why one would chose to receieve on the hand instead of the tongue.
God bless you and Mary keep you!
 
PROUD 2 B RC:
JMJ+

Did I say it was more consecrated,nope!I said it was safer for the Body,Blood,Soul,and Divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ.It is safer because there is less of a chance of the Host being dropped or a particle of the Host being left on the hand and not being dipped in and ablution bowl.Can you honestly say otherwise? :confused:
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Sadly, in my lifetime I have seen the Body dropped plenty of times from peoples mouths, less so from those who receive in the hand - but this may be because the EMHC’s are not properly trained? On the other hand I have overheard Priests talking to First Communion CCD teachers on the proper way to receive on the tongue so they don’t have to touch a tongue or risk Jesus falling out, some I have heard prefer to give to the people in the hand and have our Ushers stand nearby to make sure that it is consumed because people do not know how to receive on the tongue properly. It is my fear of Jesus falling off my tongue more than anything as to why I receive in the hand (and I check my palm for particles, we use white hosts so it is easy to see and as gross as it sounds, I will lick my hand to make sure I get that particle!)
PROUD 2 B RC:
God bless you and Mary keep you!

P.S.You asked why is one’s tongue more consected than one’s hand well actualy the only hands consecrated to handle the Host are the ordinary ministers of Holy Communion. 😃
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Finally someone who has a good argument. I get so tired of those saying that “my hands are less worthy thant my tongue” to receive Jesus 🙂 . Yes, I am a hand receiver for the reasons stated above but only because it is allowed, we do have an indult whether it was because of dissidents or not.

BTW, if we still had altar rails it would definitely be easier to receive appropriately on the tongue. I have been taller than some of our Priests and definitely than some of our EMHCs making it difficult for them to even reach my mouth and I have a bad knee so stooping down I would more likely fall or stumble - I could kneel at an alar rail because I would have the rail to use to stand up again with.

As for the OP’s actual question, what has happened and can happen (as someone else already pointed out it was even written in the document in question) is an Indult can be received and there it is, we have an indult so I can choose this method without censure from others.

Brenda V.
 
PROUD 2 B RC said:
+JMJ+

I worry thats why,as an altar server I have seen one to many a time people almost drop our Lord on the ground and actually seen him drop to the ground at least once.That is why!Again all I ask is why!It is proven to be more safe to recieve on the tongue.Does that mean to recieve on the tongue is more reverent? NO!I know plenty of people who recieve on the hand;some very dear friends.But it does honestly boggle my mind why we would recieve in such away that would pose risks to our Lord?

If I have made anybody feel guilty about recieveing in the hand forgive me.**All I want is my questioned answered.I jst dont understand why one would chose to receieve on the hand instead of the tongue./**B]
God bless you and Mary keep you!

The Church allows it so there is nothing for you to understand. I repeat that its none of your business why anyone would choose either way to receive.
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+JMJ+

Ok,fine but I have one question for you does it not bother you that when you receive you could have a particle on your hand after communion is over and that the particle could fall to the ground.Or if when you recieve you drop the Host.Note I am not asking why you recieve that way merely asking do you worry about suching things happening?This will be my last question on the post.But the church did allow it only after the abuse became so wide spread.Yes the Church has spoken and I will submit!As I always have and have stated before.
God bless you and Mary keep you!
 
I receive in the hand.

I have seen Jesus dropped twice. Sorry but both times, the priest dropped it. Not the person receiving. SO how they receive was not important.

I, also, always look and have never found particles of Jesus in my hand. So no, I am not worried about it.
 
+JMJ+

Do you greet people with that hand after church? 😛 😃 🙂
Just kidding!Good for you I also know people who do the same!It is not odd at all!
 
  • History: Disobedience to the Pope; Communion in the hand was illegally introduced in Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, France and in the U.S. well before Pope Paul VI wrote “Memoriale Domini”. The Holy See firmly opossed the disobedient and abusive practice from the beginning.
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   	 This is the same way the Eucharistic Adoration and numerous other practices in the Church arose -- from the people. However, Pope Paul VI did poll the bishops on this and finally decided that if the national conference of bishops requested it Rome would grant the right to give communion in the hand *as an indult* or exception to the law.
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Deacon Ed, would you mind explaining your reply for me? I can see how Eucharistic Adoration came about by the people requesting it. But, I certainly can’t remember the people demanding to receive in their hand. Instead, I remember our bishop telling the parishes to make receiving in the hand available. The Carmelite parish I belonged to obeyed the bishop, but the priests gave Communion in the hand under protest. I doubt there was one parishoner who ever even thought about receiving in the hand.

No, my memory says that the bishops decided on the practice with little or no (name removed by moderator)ut from the laity.
 
+JMJ+

As I have been reading some of my posts I realised how judgemental I have been,I want to ask the forgiveness of all who have been hurt or offeneded by any of my postings.I have always said the Church has spoken and now I find my self fighting my own creed that I follow.That every Catholic should follow.I can see by reading my own posts how this has gotten out of hand.So I must restate what I had posted earlier.I think Christ is just happy that we go to recieve him in the first place.All the bickering aside that is.I’ve been to dumb to listen to my own words.So please forgive me!But most of all God forgive me!If it is his will we go back to recieveing on the tongue only it will be done, so there is no need worrying about it.Man fell into my own trap,dang.

Well I am truly sorry. 😦 As`thistle said the Church has spoken I need not understand.You are right brother,you are right!Forgive me!
God bless you and Mary Keep you! :)
 
PROUD 2 B RC said:
+JMJ+

But dont you get it is safer not to recieve in the hand.Are you so set in your ways that you would risks droping our Lord or having a particle of him fall on the ground?!?!As I have stated can you please explain why a priest uses an ablution bowl and cleanses his forefinger and thumb after handling the Body, Blood ,Soul, and Divinity of our Lord and a lay person after touching the Body,Blood,Soul and Divinity of our Lord just goes about his or her day with a possible particle of our Lord on his or her hand?Are you so set in your ways you are willing to risk it?I guess what I am trying to ask is why risk it when you can recieve on the tongue in a safer manner?Please I would like to know! :confused:

God bless you and Mary keep you?

P.S.Moderator please delete my above post with the quotes,I dont not wish anyone to have wrong information just in case they dont read the correction by Deacon Ed,God Bless him!
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It’s none of your business how I receive. Absolutely NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. You mind your patch and I’ll mind mine.
 
Tish sadly for the sake of the Church this is almost a topic that ought to be banned right up there with the veil/no veil controvesy as the hot topics for the RCC in the 21st century. I note somebody slipped a reference about that in early on. Sadly charity is tossed out the window at times.

I’m surprised you can’t find threads as this has been a long standing feud.
 
hilde the dog:
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I’m surprised you can’t find threads as this has been a long standing feud.
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As I said in an early thread if someone showed me how to find a thread I would do so, when I tried I found nothing. I don’t think it needs to be a fued and I came here because I wanted answers. I do believe that we should not be told not to discuss something because it makes people uncomfortable. I do think that comments such as “if you don’t like it don’t do it” should be avoided as it is not helpful to anyone and causes hurt feelings. Such people can feel free not to read or respond to threads with which they are uncomfortable.

This was a real learning experiece for me and I do not regret starting this thread.
 
Tish I fully agree but at times in the past it does get out of hand just read the post before mine (Thank you Proud 2BRC that made me happy). I don’t mind discussions, disagreements etc. I don’t like holier than thou attitudes, condescending and judgemental attitudes when actions in church are allowed.

Peace
 
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