Communion in the hand

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SnorterLuster:
Deacon Ed, would you mind explaining your reply for me? I can see how Eucharistic Adoration came about by the people requesting it. But, I certainly can’t remember the people demanding to receive in their hand. Instead, I remember our bishop telling the parishes to make receiving in the hand available. The Carmelite parish I belonged to obeyed the bishop, but the priests gave Communion in the hand under protest. I doubt there was one parishoner who ever even thought about receiving in the hand.

No, my memory says that the bishops decided on the practice with little or no (name removed by moderator)ut from the laity.
I cannot say how much (name removed by moderator)ut the bishops had from the laity as that vote predates my ordination and I was less involved in the liturgical aspects of the Church – simply went to Mass and prayed for the success of the reform. However, the bishops did vote in favor of the indult and it was granted by Rome so it is valid.

As for my comment regarding Eucharistic Adoration – it did not being by the people requesting it, but by the people doing it. During the 10th century the Mass was mostly inaccessible to the average lay person (I can’t say average person in the pew because pews are a Protestant invention). The Mass was in Latin and most lay people did not speak Latin. Thus, they developed their own pious practices, one of which was Eucharistic Adoration. The Church, seeing that the people had undertaken this devotion, developed and refined it.

The same is true for communion in the hand. This was a practice that developed mostly in Europe and caught on there. Because of that, some of the American bishops decided to try it. The people seemed to respond positively since it became something the spread. As a result, the Church accepted and reformed the process eliminating some serious abuses that had crept in (self-communication from a passed paten was one).

Deacon Ed
 
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Tish:
I do think that comments such as “if you don’t like it don’t do it” should be avoided as it is not helpful to anyone and causes hurt feelings.
Why, if it isn’t said impolitely?

See, no one is trying to talk anyone else out of receiving on the tongue. But I’m sure you can read several posts here that seem to imply that those of us who rec. in the hand shouldn’t. Well, the Church says we can, so shouldn’t doesn’t enter into it. She’s the arbiter of “should” and “shouldn’t,” not the other sheep in the flock.

So, I say again, if one doesn’t wish to rec. in the hand, don’t. You don’t have to do so.
 
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Tish:
Deacon Ed: You said “First, there is no pragraph 16 in the cited document. The correct wording is “…observe the law…” not “…submit to the law…” and, finally, it is that very document that permits communion in the hand! In fact, the pope writes: “The rite of communion in the hand must be introduced tactfully…””

It was not this document that permits communion in the hand. It only gives the procedure for requesting permission.

You also said,“Let’s not let our own personal choices dictate for the Church”.

Isn’t that exactly how Communion in the hand came about in the first place since it was being done because someone wanted it done this way even thought the church said no?!

I think the case of the ebay sale of the Holy Eucharist should be enough for anyone to see that Communion should be distributed on the tongue to prevent these types of horrific abuses of His Most Precious Body and Blood.
Tish,

We have to remember that the Church really operates as a bottom-up entity in that the charism of infalliblity is given to the Church as a whole (the Latin term is sensus fidelium or “sense of the faithful”). The Church looks at what the people need, and that is often evidenced by what they do and, if it is not immoral, tries to find a way to provide for the people. When I was in grammar school, long before Vatican II, the good sisters told me about those who would take the Blessed Sacrament and profane it. Communion in the hand has not added to that possiblity at all.

Rather, we each need to choose how we will approach communion. In the Eastern Catholic Churches of the Byzantine tradition, the bishop, priest and deacon all say a short prayer before they approach the Blessed Sacrament: “Behold I approach my Lord and my God and my King” – and we all receive in the hand! Each of us should be aware of our own unworthiness to participate in this great mystery – yet realize that Jesus choose to use such common elements as bread and wine which we are to “gnaw” according to St. John.

Deacon Ed
 
St Cyril of Jerusalem [ca. AD 35 - 386]wrote, preached, and or taught the neophytes [those newly received into the Church] on the reception of the Eucharist:

"In approaching, therefore, do not come up with yor wrists apart or your fingers spread, but make of your left hand a throne for the right, since you are abot to receive into it a King. And having hallowed your palm, receive the Body of Christ, saying over it the “Amen”. Then, cautiously sanctifying your eyes by the the touch of the Holy Body, partake, being careful lest you lose anything of it. For whatever you might lose is clearly a loss to you from one of our own members. Tell me: if someone gave you some grains of gold, would you not hold them with all carefulness, lest you might lose something of them and thereby suffer a loss? Will you not, therefore, be much more careful in keeping watch over what is more precious than gold and gems, so that not a particle of it may escape you?"

Reception on the tongue was the result of abuses {using the Eucharist in a superstitious manner, attacking the Church by attacking the Eucharist and debasing it etc] In adressing these same concerns for a period of time only the Priest received regularly and the faithfull once a year. We should recognize that the Church is responsible for protecting and handing on the faith.

Obviously, some Bishops are not concerned that their parishioners are not taking the Eucharist home, placing it on an altar and using it as a totem to bring about some end [winning the Loto, insuring a boy child or keeping the rain at bay]. Nor do they believe that Wiccans are going to steal the Body of Christ fro some evil demoni ritual. Therefore, the prohibition of receiveing on the hand has lost its primary purpose.

There are factions that despise any renewal or change that came forth from Vatican II. Event he Latin language used at Mass prior to Vatican II was an ‘inovation’ or change from the original language(s). I am sure that Jesus celebrated the first Eucharist at the Last Supper in aramaic or hebrew. From there Greek became the common tongue. That was followed by the official language of the Roman Empire, latin.

But I digress, my only point is that not all change is bad, some are changes that bring is back to our roots. In the early church, reception on the hand was normative. Now we have a choice, both are valid, both are or should be equally reverent. St Cyril certainly thought so.
 
PROUD 2 B RC said:
+JMJ+

First and for most I beg God for Holy Forgiveness for posting something that had been altered talking about his Church.Forgive me and thank you Deacon Ed for pointing it out,if you read any of my other posts on the forum you will see I never do such a thing,I am a real stickler about posting only church teaching.I should have researched the quotes above.So again thank you!Truly!

As for the tongue not being consecrated.That is NOT the issue as I have stated already the issue is what is the SAFEST way to recieve and again I say ON THE TONGUE!So I ask again can anyone realy say otherwise?
Code:
God bless you and Mary keep you!
P.S.Thanks again Deacon Ed!Seriously!

Having been an altar boy pre Vatican 2 and having caught Hosts on the paten as they fell off the tongue of the recipient, I can say that either way can result in the Host being dropped.

If the priest, deacon, or extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion takes the time to carefully place the Host on the hand, it has no more chance of being dropped, IMHO, than one that is placed on the tongue. It is not at all difficult to pick up between two fingers of one hand from the palm of the other hand and place it in one’s mouth.

People now, as they did before Vatican 2, sometimes stick out their tongue only a little way, resulting in only part of the Host sticking to their tongue, making it much more likely to fall off. Further, some people, upon having it on the tongue, do not open their mouths fully when pulling the tongue back in, thus risking knocking the Host off their tongue with their teeth (I have seen both results).

The safety issue is completely overblown, and it is overblown by those who don’t want to receive in the hand and who feel that it is somehow not as good, or as holy, or as safe as on the tongue.

Frankly, I find either way of receiving less difficult than receiving in the Byzantine rite, where one has to tip one’s head back signifcantly to receive, as the priest is using a spoon with both the Host and the Precious Blood (and the Host, by the way is from raised bread which is allowed in that rite).

And the whole issue gets back to the Last supper; Christ seemed to feel that it was permissible; the early Church in copying what Christ did seemed to think it was permissible; and perhaps that should be part of the reflection on the matter. The choice, as the Church has said, is ours. To imply that receiving in the hand is somehow wrong intrinsically flies in the face of the reality of the Sacrament as Christ gave it to us.
 
PROUD 2 B RC said:
+JMJ+

But dont you get it is safer not to recieve in the hand.Are you so set in your ways that you would risks droping our Lord or having a particle of him fall on the ground?!?!As I have stated can you please explain why a priest uses an ablution bowl and cleanses his forefinger and thumb after handling the Body, Blood ,Soul, and Divinity of our Lord and a lay person after touching the Body,Blood,Soul and Divinity of our Lord just goes about his or her day with a possible particle of our Lord on his or her hand?Are you so set in your ways you are willing to risk it?I guess what I am trying to ask is why risk it when you can recieve on the tongue in a safer manner?Please I would like to know! :confused:

Here’s what Pope John Paul the Great had to say:
“In some countries the practice of receiving Communion in the hand has been introduced. This practice has been requested by individual episcopal conferences and has received approval from the Apostolic See. However, cases of a deplorable lack of respect towards the eucharistic species have been reported, cases which are imputable not only to the individuals guilty of such behavior but also to the pastors of the church who have not been vigilant enough regarding the attitude of the faithful towards the Eucharist. It also happens, on occasion, that the free choice of those who prefer to continue the practice of receiving the Eucharist on the tongue is not taken into account in those places where the distribution of Communion in the hand has been authorized. It is therefore difficult in the context of this present letter not to mention the sad phenomena previously referred to. **This is in no way meant to refer to those who, receiving the Lord Jesus in the hand, do so with profound reverence and devotion, in those countries where this practice has been authorized.” **

Note the last sentence.

It’s well and good to be concerned with reverence to the Holy Eucharist. It is not well and good to brow beat those of us who rec. in the hand “with profound reverence and devotion.” You cross a line that the Pope avoided. Are you wiser than he was, eternal rest upon his soul?

Yes, I’m set in my ways, but I’d like to think I’m obedient. If the discipline changed tommorrow, I would bend the neck and knee and submit. Until then, I intend to exercise the liberty that the Pope and the bishops give me.
 
PROUD 2 B RC said:
+JMJ+

Did I say it was more consecrated,nope!I said it was safer for the Body,Blood,Soul,and Divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ.It is safer because there is less of a chance of the Host being dropped or a particle of the Host being left on the hand and not being dipped in and ablution bowl.Can you honestly say otherwise? :confused:

God bless you and Mary keep you!

P.S.You asked why is one’s tongue more consected than one’s hand well actualy the only hands consecrated to handle the Host are the ordinary ministers of Holy Communion. 😃

Actually, I receive on the tongue and prefer it that way. That said, I have seen equal amounts of bobble on the tongue as I have seen in the hand - sorry. I don’t think you’d have the stats to back up your claim. I have to wonder what kind of hosts everyone uses? We use the whiter ones and I’ve never seen a particle drop anywhere. You’d have to break those kind up to get anywhere near particles falling from them. Maybe it would simply be wise to switch hosts that fragment less no matter how the host is received.
 
I think it is possible to offer communion in hand reverently, but I have never seen it done.
Early Christians also washed their hands on entering the church. Large basins were placed by the doors of the church or the room where the Eucharist was to be celebrated. Hands could have become soiled in bringing offering to the church. Propriety demanded that hands be scrupulously clean, for communicants would receive the Holy Communion on their palms. But there was another and higher reason for the washing: that of symbolizing freedom from all stain of sin. The twofold purpose of these ablutions was probably due to both the Jewish heritage and natural feeling and instinct. Certainly the hand that touched the Blessed Sacrament was to be clean physically and spiritually. Early Christians considered the hand as the principal instrument, the privileged member in which the strength and activity of the person were concentrated. Hence the whole person was represented by it. That is why the outward washing of hands symbolized the internal purification from all that sullied both body and soul. After the custom of receiving Holy Communion in the hand had been discontinued, together with bringing offerings of bread and wine, or oil to church there was no longer any pressing need for the faithful to wash their hands before Mass. (The Byzantine-Slav Liturgy of St John Chrysostom, Casimir Kucharek, 1973, Alleluia Press, p. 248-249)
St. Cyril also commented on communion in hand:
Approaching therefore, do not come forward with the palms of the hands outstretched nor with the fingers apart, but making the left [hand] a throne for the right since this hand is about to receive the King. Making the palm hollow, receive the Body of Christ, adding ‘Amen’. Then. carefully sanctifying the eyes by touching them with the holy Body, partake of it, ensuring that you do not mislay any of it. For if you mislay any, you would clearly suffer a loss, as it were, from one of your own limbs. Tell me, if anyone gave you gold-dust, would you not take hold of it with every possible care, ensuring that you do not mislay any of it or sustain any loss? So will you not be much more cautious to ensure that not a crumb falls away from that which is more precious than gold or precious stones?
“Then, after you have partaken of the Body of Christ, come forward only for the cup of the Blood. Do not stretch out your hands but bow low as if making an act of obeisance and a profound act of veneration. Say ‘Amen’. and sanctify yourself by partaking of Christ’s Blood also. While the moisture is still on your lips, touch them with your hands and sanctify your eyes, your forehead, and all your other sensory organs. Finally, wait for the prayer and give thanks to God, who has deemed you worthy of such mysteries.”
I just don’t see this kind of profound reverence in the parishes where most receive communion in the hand.
 
PROUD 2 B RC said:
+JMJ+

Ok,fine but I have one question for you does it not bother you that when you receive you could have a particle on your hand after communion is over and that the particle could fall to the ground.Or if when you recieve you drop the Host.Note I am not asking why you recieve that way merely asking do you worry about suching things happening?This will be my last question on the post.But the church did allow it only after the abuse became so wide spread.Yes the Church has spoken and I will submit!As I always have and have stated before.
Code:
God bless you and Mary keep you!

since I receive in the hand, I will give you my answer. I am not going to venture down the path about reverence for the Eucharist other than to say that it seems obvious that some people do not have the proper reverence. It might come as a surprise that there were people pre Vatican 2 who did not have the proper reverence then, either.

It is important to have reverence for the Eucharist and for Our Lord. It is also a fact that if one has no notice that there is a very small particle remaining on one’s hand, one is not being irreverent to Our Lord. The question has been asked and answered elsewhere that at the point that a particle cannot be identified as part of a Host, the Real Presence, for our purposes, ceases.

We are called to reverence. We are not called to a hyper-reverence wherein we worry to extremes about whether or not there might be some fine particle that somehow might escape our attention and we would thus be abusing Jesus.

Christ broke Bread and gave it to his disciples to eat. It was the common flat bread, unleavened, which they used in the Passover Feast. anyone who has come in contact with that or something very similar to that would know that there will be crumbs. nothing in the Gospel accounts, and nothing from the early Church inidcates that this was an issue at all. and given the stability of the hosts which we now have to consecrate compared to what Christ used, there is almost no chance at all of any identifiable crumbs being in our hand (or for that matter, falling on our chin) if we receive the hosts which are usually about the size betwwen a quarter and a half dollar.

If we receive the Host which has been broken from the large host which the priest consecrates, there is a slightly greater chance that there may be a small crumb in our hand. It is fairly simple; lick your index finger enough to mositen it and pick up the crumb and consume it.

That would be about the same thing you would have done if you had received 2000 years ago from Christ Himself, except that the crumbs would probably have been bigger.

the reason that the Church has moved to larger and thicker hosts is because the Eucharist is both sacrifice and sacred meal. The host is supposed to look like food, like bread; we are supposed to eat, not sublimate. If you wnat to receive on the tongue, by all means do so. But don’t become hyper religious, as in doing so you are coming so close to judging others actions that those others have a really hard time distinguishing between your feelings and wht appears to be an implict attitude of “You folks who do that aren’t holy; you are irreverent.”

I am sure that you don’t mean that. at least, I think I am sure you don’t.

further, there seems to be an implicit assumption in your comments about it being started by dissidents (and therefore somehow of evil parentage). Rome could easily have quashed the whole issue had they wanted to; there are ample disciplinary proceedures they can bring to bear.

Rome, however, chose to approve the reception in the hand. Throughout the history of the Church, many changes have come not from Rome but from the pews and parishes. A prime example is the fact that in the Dark Ages (and before), the official position of the church regarding the sacrament of Reconcilliation was that you received it only once. It was the Irish monks who went against the official Church understanding of the sacrament and gave reconcilliation more than once in a lifetime. Furthermore, the sacrament officially was a public confession. the Irish monks went against that, too, by starting private confessions.

Strange, those dissident monks. Maybe, just maybe, they knew more than Rome?

And I am not suggesting that any and every dissident priest, monk, theologian or parishoner knows more than Rome, so don’t even bother coming back with that. I am suggesting that Rome saw something that came from the people, and saw that while it might not be what Rome would prefer, that it too was acceptable and purposefull and meaningful. Rome, instead of quashing it, gave permission to do it. That in itself should speak volumes.
 
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arieh0310:
I think it is possible to offer communion in hand reverently, but I have never seen it done.

St. Cyril also commented on communion in hand:

I just don’t see this kind of profound reverence in the parishes where most receive communion in the hand.
well, then come on out to St Francis is Sherwood. The large majority of people receive in the hand.

Oh, and we also have Perpetual Adoration.

I don’t know which parish you belong to, or which ones you may have visited, but there are numerous parishes thoughout Portland and the metropolitan area where people receive in the hand and reverently.
 
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otm:
well, then come on out to St Francis is Sherwood. The large majority of people receive in the hand.

Oh, and we also have Perpetual Adoration.

I don’t know which parish you belong to, or which ones you may have visited, but there are numerous parishes thoughout Portland and the metropolitan area where people receive in the hand and reverently.
Well, I go to a parish that still has a communion rail, so people who receive communion in hand are in the minority. If you read the quotes I posted you will see some marked differences between the way communion in hand was offered in the fourth century Church in Jerusalem and the 21st century American parish. How often do you see wash basins for parishoners to cleanse thier hands prior to communion? In the typical parish a person will use their hands to drive to church, wipe their nose, go to the bathroom, scratch thier ear, and then handle the Body of the Lord. In St. Cyril’s church one would at least wash immediately prior to touching the Eucharist.

Like I said, I think that communion in hand can be done reverently, it just isn’t being done yet (at least not from what I have seen).
 
As far as receiving in the hand versus on the tongue my personal preference is on the tongue. But then again, I only receive from a Priest as well. Old fashioned I guess. 👍 As far as those who choose to receive in the hand that is certainly their concern and their own business. The Church says they can so it’s fine with me. I really don’t understand it but hey who am I? I have asked this question before, but just for the heck of it I will ask again, Why receive in the hand?

The only answers I have ever gotten are 1) I want to, 2) the Church says I can so I will 3) it was practiced that way in the early church, and, 4) Why not?. I have never found these answers convincing in any way and no one has yet to demonstrate that receiving in the hand is as reverent as or more reverent than receiving on the tongue. In fact, it would be a whole lot easier for someone so inclined to desecrate the host by receiving in the hand, you know put it in your pocket and take it home etc. And yes, it could happen in the mouth also, but a bit harder to accomplish.

As far as dropping particles and diry hands, since patens aren’t used anymore in most places I get the impression most people aren’t really worried about it, and probably wouldn’t care if they did drop some. Given the appearance of a lot of the people who show up for Mass these days, I sincerely doubt that hand washing is of any real concern to them either…

I have also heard two schools of thought on the Last Supper angle, one is that everyone would have been handed the bread by Christ, and the other is that Christ would have put a small particle of the bread in their mouth and then handed them the rest. Not being an expert, I wouldn’t know which if either of these is correct. I do think that the fact that in the early church communion was part of a larger meal itself should also have some bearing on the entire isue, since we now do not have the entire meal. I also have never held the view that the early church was somehow purer than the church is these days and that we should be making attempts to re capture it’s presumed innocence and glory. I’ve read enough of the Gospels and early writers to realize that the early church had a LOT of issues and should not be held up as an example of the way things should be.

If someone could explain what the attraction is to receiving in the hand other than the stock answers usually given, maybe I would change my mind, who knows? But as it is, I truly believe that most people do it that way because it seems to place them and the Priest at a more level status quo, all of us being members of the royal priesthood and everything, and maybe it is psychologically a bit easier, you know, not being fed by another person or something like that. 🙂
 
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tdandh26:
My personal preference is to receive on the tongue though. My reasoning is that I am not worthy to receive Him except that He told me too and since I am not worthy to loose the staps of His sandles I prefer the priest to place Him on my tongue. I truely believe if people would realize the awesome reality of what they are doing we would fall on our faces with adoration before receiving Him at all. Again this is my opinion and I submit to the authority of the Church in all things.
My sentiments exactly 😛

Sometimes when we have a visiting priest I get the impression that maybe they don’t like it when some receive it on their tongue?

MM
 
I receive Our Lord in the Holy Eucharist on my tongue. I am concerned for particles in the hand. I am an extraordinary minister of the Eucharist for weekday Mass now only but when I served at Sunday Mass, I would never place a broken Host in the hand for I know that particles are easily broken off from them. During the week, I serve only the Precious .

I know Mother Teresa was one who especially bemoaned the practice of communion in the hand. Myself I find communion in the hand less respectful of the Body of Christ. And then, there are more easy opportunities for problems such as what happened at my parish a few weeks ago when a Host was found in a missal.

Ave Maria!
 
Not long ago a young male of elementary school age dropped the host on the floor before getting it to his mouth. He bent down quickly to retrieve it and consumed it. The priest was already on his way back to the altar, but he saw what happened and looked a bit unhappy. What should have been done?
 
I think it would have been simpler if we would have just left the Communion rails in Church. You could even still allow Communion in hand, how hard is it to receive in hand when you are kneeling? Furthermore, it is much easier to receive on the tongue when kneeling.

I personally receive on the tongue at the Tridentine Mass (obviously) and if I am serving Mass (it is kinda hard to receive in hand when you are holding on to a paten). However, I receive in hand at the Novus Ordo Mass because, quite frankly, it is just kind of weird receiving on the tongue standing up (especially if you are tall like me). Yes, you can kneel down, but then the priest has to stoop and it is just not well suited to the practice.

I really do think that would be a great compromise-just put the rails back in or make use of them if you have them! Both ways can be properly performed and I personally think it would probably encourage more people to start receiving on the tongue again. It would also be easier to use less “Extraordinary” Eucharistic Ministers for non-extraordinary reasons and thus we could cut down on that abuse. Introduction of the paten for those that don’t use them should of course be encouraged.
 
wacky&wonderful:
Not long ago a young male of elementary school age dropped the host on the floor before getting it to his mouth. He bent down quickly to retrieve it and consumed it. The priest was already on his way back to the altar, but he saw what happened and looked a bit unhappy. What should have been done?
Exactly what was done! Of course, the priest should also have covered the spot and cleaned it later in case there were any particles remaining.

Deacon Ed
 
The Western Church could solve & end a majority of problems by adopting communion by intincture as done by our Eastern brethern…I have no problems at all…but of course it will reduce or eliminate EMHC’s…on second thought they won’t…it’s too logical.

james
 
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