Communion mix-up

[GoGoDiego]

A while ago, an institutional Mass (meaning to say, the whole school community) was held in my school for the Blessing of the Advent Wreaths of every class. During communion, the Sacred Hosts ran out. He told one of the EMHCs to get the Sacred hosts from the nearby Church and another EMHC to retrieve the remaining sacred hosts in our chapel, thus two servers went to escort the EHMC with a lighted candle. Still the Sacred hosts ran out after that, so the priest told one of the EHMCs to get unconsecrated hosts and intinct it in the chalice with the Blood of Christ and give it as communion. Was the decision of the priest prudent?

 

[Tarpeian_Rock]

A while ago, an institutional Mass (meaning to say, the whole school community) was held in my school for the Blessing of the Advent Wreaths of every class. During communion, the Sacred Hosts ran out. He told one of the EMHCs to get the Sacred hosts from the nearby Church and another EMHC to retrieve the remaining sacred hosts in our chapel, thus two servers went to escort the EHMC with a lighted candle. Still the Sacred hosts ran out after that, so the priest told one of the EHMCs to get unconsecrated hosts and intinct it in the chalice with the Blood of Christ and give it as communion. Was the decision of the priest prudent?

Interesting situation. So essentially pieces of bread were used to convey the Sacred Species of the Precious Blood. Presumably the Communion statement then became “The Blood of Christ.” Technically correct I guess but would be interested to know more from an authority.

 

[Catholic1954]

A while ago, an institutional Mass (meaning to say, the whole school community) was held in my school for the Blessing of the Advent Wreaths of every class. During communion, the Sacred Hosts ran out. He told one of the EMHCs to get the Sacred hosts from the nearby Church and another EMHC to retrieve the remaining sacred hosts in our chapel, thus two servers went to escort the EHMC with a lighted candle. Still the Sacred hosts ran out after that, so the priest told one of the EHMCs to get unconsecrated hosts and intinct it in the chalice with the Blood of Christ and give it as communion. Was the decision of the priest prudent?

That is for his bishop to decide.

 

[smead2942]

A while ago, an institutional Mass (meaning to say, the whole school community) was held in my school for the Blessing of the Advent Wreaths of every class. During communion, the Sacred Hosts ran out. He told one of the EMHCs to get the Sacred hosts from the nearby Church and another EMHC to retrieve the remaining sacred hosts in our chapel, thus two servers went to escort the EHMC with a lighted candle. Still the Sacred hosts ran out after that, so the priest told one of the EHMCs to get unconsecrated hosts and intinct it in the chalice with the Blood of Christ and give it as communion. Was the decision of the priest prudent?

1. only priests may distribute communion by intinction
2. it is not a requirement for the faithful to receive at every Mass, so I don’t see why such extreme measures are being taken to ensure they do.
3. I think it is blasphemous to use unconsecrated hosts, and potentially harmful to the congregation. I don’t know for sure though.

 

[Joe_5859]

That is for his bishop to decide.

Indeed! I don’t know that this one is spelled out in the GIRM.

All the Masses I have been to where Communion was running low, the priest simply started breaking hosts in half to make it through. That seems preferable to me. What the OP has described seems potentially confusing, but I’m sure the priest was doing the best he could under the circumstances. But, yeah, I’d leave the final judgment up to the Bishop in this case.

Someone would have had to really misjudge the number of people in attendance for this to happen. That doesn’t happen too often in my experience.

 

[phil19034]

There doesn’t have to be communion hosts for everyone. Ideally, you have enough for everyone, but if you don’t, that doesn’t mean you have an emergency where you should break the GIRM.

I would contact your local Bishop

God Bless!
Phil

 

[smead2942]

There doesn’t have to be communion hosts for everyone. Ideally, you have enough for everyone, but if you don’t, that doesn’t mean you have an emergency where you should break the GIRM.

I would contact your local Bishop

God Bless!
Phil

Agreed.

 

[Elizium23]

QUAERITUR: Communion by intinction but with un-consecrated hosts.

1. For pity’s sake! What will they come up with next? I would call that a serious abuse. You should immediately inform the local bishop of what is happening. If it does not stop, inform the Congregation for Divine Worship. This is not at all like administering Communion by intinction with a consecrated Host. This is not like administering the Precious Blood using an eye-dropper for the very sick, or a fistula, or spoon or chalice, none of which are absorbent. I would say this comes, at least, very close to profanation of the Blessed Sacrament. It is certainly deeply confused its symbolism and meaning.

Frankly, if the priest doesn’t … figure out how to consecrate enough Hosts or Precious Blood for Communion, regularly, then he ought to help his people understand that, when they run out, they should make a spiritual Communion.

 

[LongingSoul]

QUAERITUR: Communion by intinction but with un-consecrated hosts.

Originally Posted by Father Z

1. For pity’s sake! What will they come up with next? I would call that a serious abuse. You should immediately inform the local bishop of what is happening. If it does not stop, inform the Congregation for Divine Worship. This is not at all like administering Communion by intinction with a consecrated Host. This is not like administering the Precious Blood using an eye-dropper for the very sick, or a fistula, or spoon or chalice, none of which are absorbent. I would say this comes, at least, very close to profanation of the Blessed Sacrament. It is certainly deeply confused its symbolism and meaning.

What an unbecoming response from a Priest about a fellow Priest.

 

[Joe_5859]

QUAERITUR: Communion by intinction but with un-consecrated hosts.

Of particular note is the citation of 104Redemptionis Sacramentum:

[104.] The communicant must not be permitted to intinct the host himself in the chalice, nor to receive the intincted host in the hand. As for the host to be used for the intinction, it should be made of valid matter, also consecrated; it is altogether forbidden to use non-consecrated bread or other matter.

So I stand corrected. The Church has explicitly commented on such a practice and it is forbidden.

 

[phil19034]

What an unbecoming response from a Priest about a fellow Priest.

There was more too it. Father Z is a holy priest. The priest who did what Father Z was talking about committed sacrilege according to other priests in that thread.

 

[ProVobis]

1. only priests may distribute communion by intinction
2. it is not a requirement for the faithful to receive at every Mass, so I don’t see why such extreme measures are being taken to ensure they do.
3. I think it is blasphemous to use unconsecrated hosts, and potentially harmful to the congregation. I don’t know for sure though.

I would agree with that, although whether it’s blasphemous or not I would leave to a moral theologian to answer. I would be inclined to call it something worse.

 

[LongingSoul]

There was more too it. Father Z is a holy priest. The priest who did what Father Z was talking about committed sacrilege according to other priests in that thread.

I’ve met a ton of holy Priests in my lifetime. None with such a nasty attitude towards a fellow Priest they have very few details about.

 

[ProVobis]

I’ve met a ton of holy Priests in my lifetime. None with such a nasty attitude towards a fellow Priest they have very few details about.

Can’t we just call it a disagreement without the emotional drama, LS?

 

[Joe_5859]

I’ve met a ton of holy Priests in my lifetime. None with such a nasty attitude towards a fellow Priest they have very few details about.

I know Fr. Z can be a bit zealous and bombastic with his rhetoric, but in fairness, I really don’t see where his ire is directed at the priest specifically. He doesn’t say anything targeted towards the priest in particular that I can see.

 

[PJM]

=GoGoDiego;13475332]A while ago, an institutional Mass (meaning to say, the whole school community) was held in my school for the Blessing of the Advent Wreaths of every class. During communion, the Sacred Hosts ran out. He told one of the EMHCs to get the Sacred hosts from the nearby Church and another EMHC to retrieve the remaining sacred hosts in our chapel, thus two servers went to escort the EHMC with a lighted candle. Still the Sacred hosts ran out after that, so the priest told one of the EHMCs to get unconsecrated hosts and intinct it in the chalice with the Blood of Christ and give it as communion. Was the decision of the priest prudent?

VALD and Licit and MUCH better than not giving Holy Communion to those requesting Jesus

 

[ProVobis]

VALD and Licit and MUCH better than not giving Holy Communion to those requesting Jesus

Unconsecrated Hosts are by definition invalid. There seems to be some deception here.

What does DeDefectibus say about one species not being validly consecrated?

There would have been no doubt receiving the Precious Blood would have been valid but why add something invalid to it? Would you add unconsecrated Hosts to consecrated Hosts because you were running out?

 

[Neofight]

This is what I love about CAF:shrug:

 

[Phemie]

VALD and Licit and MUCH better than not giving Holy Communion to those requesting Jesus

Definitely not licit since the Church has categorically said never to do it.

 

[LongingSoul]

I know Fr. Z can be a bit zealous and bombastic with his rhetoric, but in fairness, I really don’t see where his ire is directed at the priest specifically. He doesn’t say anything targeted towards the priest in particular that I can see.

*Frankly, if the priest doesn’t have the wits to figure out how to consecrate enough Hosts or Precious Blood for Communion, *

It just isn’t becoming of a Priest to talk this way about another Priest who could be valiantly struggling with a parish situation that is unpredictable. Without a tabernacle, what would he do with a whole lot of consecrated hosts. How is he so certain the Priest doesn’t have any wits?

Provobis, I’m sure there has to be loads of references to correct procedures that don’t come with contemptful opinions about a fellow Priest. Anyway, I believe I registered a legitimate objection to the post. Signing off.