Communion patens

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At a nearby Ordinary Form church, Communion patens are not held under the chin of the communicants during the distribution of Holy Communion, so I am donating some patens. However, there is what seems to be a greater number of EMHCs would seem to be necessary. My intention in getting the patens would be to foster greater reverence towards the Sacrament and to keep any Particle of It from being lost during the distribution of Holy Communion, but by buying a number of patens equal to the number of EMHCs, I am afraid I would be committing proximate or formal cooperation in what seems to be (though I may be mistaken) disobedience to ecclesiastical authority. So my question would be whether I should do this.
 
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At a nearby Ordinary Form church, Communion patens are not held under the chin of the communicants during the distribution of Holy Communion, so I am donating some patens. However, there is what seems to be a greater number of EMHCs would seem to be necessary. My intention in getting the patens would be to foster greater reverence towards the Sacrament and to keep any Particle of It from being lost during the distribution of Holy Communion, but by buying a number of patens equal to the number of EMHCs, I am afraid I would be committing proximate or formal cooperation in what seems to be (though I may be mistaken) disobedience to ecclesiastical authority. So my question would be whether I should do this.
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In that case I wouldn’t waste your money.

Unless you have a real “champion” to drive their use (hopefully the pastor) they are going to sit on the shelf anyways. If there is not enough to go around then that will be the reason given for them not being used.

I think they are largely worthless as far as keeping hosts and “fragements” from hitting the floor, particularly when people are mostly receiving in hand. The best thing would be a folded purificator in one’s palm if your intent was to do all you can to catch any hosts/fragments that might be dropped.

The reason I used them is they have a wonderful sign value regarding the real presence.
 
I hate to say it but in a case where EMHC are used even when the number of people is not great (is it if then the use of EMHC is fine) and the priest could distribute Holy Communion in a timely manner then I would say contact the bishop and make him aware of this liturgical abuse

In Jesus and Mary,

Student of God
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student_of_God said:
I hate to say it but in a case where EMHC are used even when the number of people is not great (is it if then the use of EMHC is fine) and the priest could distribute Holy Communion in a timely manner then I would say contact the bishop and make him aware of this liturgical abuse

In Jesus and Mary,

Student of God
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Our bishop has visited this place before and celebrated Mass there. I really don’t think he has a problem with it. As I said, I may be mistaken about the number of EHMCs being to large, but it appears so to me.
 
Ask the pastor. His office entitles him to that respect, regardless of your personal feelings.

If he welcomes the idea, wonderful. If he tells you [as I suspect he may] that he has pattens aplenty but finds their use outdated, donate the money to a better cause.

In my diocese, merely storing the magnificent vessels formerly used for communion [each priest used to have his own set, and often wills them to the diocese or parish on his death] has become problematic. An elderly priest friend of mine has a large collection, but he is in his 80s and failing fast.
 
student_of_God said:
That’s Sad 😦
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Really, I’m probably mistaken, though, and not my bishop. After all, I don’t have the sacramental graces of Holy Orders and have degree in theology, either. Perhaps the number of EMHCs used is appropriate for the circumstance.
 
Unless an EMHC has three hands, he/she cannot hold a paten under a communicant’s chin while simultaneously distributing the Eucharist.
 
DixitDominus said:
At a nearby Ordinary Form church, Communion patens are not held under the chin of the communicants during the distribution of Holy Communion, so I am donating some patens. However, there is what seems to be a greater number of EMHCs would seem to be necessary. My intention in getting the patens would be to foster greater reverence towards the Sacrament and to keep any Particle of It from being lost during the distribution of Holy Communion, but by buying a number of patens equal to the number of EMHCs, I am afraid I would be committing proximate or formal cooperation in what seems to be (though I may be mistaken) disobedience to ecclesiastical authority. So my question would be whether I should do this.
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What makes you think they don’t have them sitting in a cabinet somewhere? What makes you think they would use your gift? They probably won’t. It just isn’t done in most ordinary form masses. Sad but true. The bishop’s don’t seem to be calling for the retention of the paten despite the rubrics calling for it.
 
DixitDominus said:
Really, I’m probably mistaken, though, and not my bishop. After all, I don’t have the sacramental graces of Holy Orders and have degree in theology, either. Perhaps the number of EMHCs used is appropriate for the circumstance.
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Actually your probably right the over use of EMHC is a great liturgical abuse in North America and I hate to say it but many bishops commit the same liturgical abuses as their priests a lot of the time

In Jesus and Mary,

S of G 🙂
 
One solution is to just have the person distributing communion to move the ciborium underneath, as a sort of paten, I have seen it done by a friar if he was distributing on the tongue. It doesn’t require more equipment, another person, or a third hand, and does not look obtrusive at all
 
I’ve never thought about it that way sounds like a good idea 😉
 
SenorSalsa said:
One solution is to just have the person distributing communion to move the ciborium underneath, as a sort of paten, I have seen it done by a friar if he was distributing on the tongue. It doesn’t require more equipment, another person, or a third hand, and does not look obtrusive at all
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That is excellent advice…
 
It’s not very sanitary to have a host drop out of someone’s mouth into the ciborium.
 
Seatuck said:
It’s not very sanitary to have a host drop out of someone’s mouth into the ciborium.
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This is true to though I’d stick with a paten though just because of the tradition

S of G 🙂
 
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It’s not very sanitary to have a host drop out of someone’s mouth into the ciborium.
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Proper use of Patens and Respect for the Holy Eaucharist Real Presence of Our Lord Requires an altar server holding a Paten under each communicant on receiving the Eucharist.

If one does not believe in the Real Presence In Eucharist one Is Not Catholic.

And there is nothing unsanitary about the Very rare event of an Eucharist falling: The Paten and Sacred Instruments are historically cleaned and consumed by the Celebrant.

If the Host should fall, the Arlington Diocese and Canon Law require Blocking any person from touching it, Except Eucharitic Minister or Catholic Clergy. Only the last 2 can, and should consume the Eucharist. Anything less than the above Must be reported to the Pastor, to the Bishop, the Archbishop, Until Corrective Teaching and Action is ordered. :highprayer:

**How can Any Catholic not know of the Real Presence Eucharist in Catholic Mass/Divine Liturgy? That has been The Central Liturgy of the Church Since the Last Supper. **

The Vatican, the Basillica of the Immaculate Conception, and My Parish requires us Ushers to Watch for the Immediate consumption of the Eucharist. Any less would be a sacrilege.
 
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