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Allen537
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As far as the number of EMHC goes, that is left up to the discretion of the Pastor.
In Carmel,
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Seatuck
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Many people do not choose to receive from the chalice for that very same reason.
Personally it doesn’t bother me as the cup is wiped. The CDC issued a statement that there was an extremely low chance of catching something from the cup after doing a study several years ago.
I don’t think we can say the same as from a host that is pressed full on someone’s tongue and pops off. Although I am sure that most of the falls are due to hitting the teeth or the host slipping from the fingers it could still happen after being in the persons mouth. I say stick with the paten which should be retained as per the rubrics.
Don’t get me wrong. I think we should be using the patens. I just don’t think your idea of buying them is going to do any good. Unless you have had a discussion with the priest and they are on his wish list of things he’d like to have for the parish and implement as a practice. We’ve got a whole stack of them in the sacristy at our parish.
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Sailka
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One of our Priests taught us well for Tridentine Communion:
Its the One Time you must stick your tongue out at the Priest!
Its the One Time you must stick your tongue out at the Priest!
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student_of_God
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Sailka
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Thank You. What a great screen name you chose! I’ve become an eager student of the Church since returning to it; I’ve become to believe that it is by Knowing The Church that we come to understand the greatness, beauty, love of God.In Tradition I meant the tradition of using a paten in the Latin Rite
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The book *Mass of the Early Christians / Mike Aquilina / Our Sunday Visitor / $12.95 * is one such way! The Mass and priorities of The Church the first few centuries.
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Brendan
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The Sanctuary is where the altar boys are SUPPOSED to beThat’s all we need – even MORE bodies in the sanctuary.
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anamchara
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And girlsThe Sanctuary is where the altar boys are SUPPOSED to be
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Sailka
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That depends on the local Bishop, and local Pastor. Two Things: New ideas like Casual Clothes clergy, Altar girls, Women priests and bishops have greatly reduced those Catholic Orders, Churches and Anglican sects Attendance that tried them.And girls
It is Traditionalism that is growing, Like Mother Angelica’s Order, Other Catholic Orders in Traditional Dress. And all Christian sects in the USA have declined in their membership in 2006, Except Increase of .57 Percent in by Far the Biggest: The 68 Million Catholic Church and 2 small other sects, according to the National Council of Churches annual detailed February Membership reports.
I feel like Fr Corapi: Women are too Special, too ideal for tradionally Male jobs. Our Lord seemed to agree, selecting only Male Apostles.
In our Parish, Age 8 or older young ladies are asked to be Lectors at Mass. 10 year old girls are outstanding lectors. Boys are not, and can’t be lectors.
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anamchara
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Altar girls, pro and con has been debated, ad nauseam, in these forums more times than you can possibly imagine. Brendan the poster and I have gone rounds on the subject many times so I was poking some fun a bit, that’s all
I am pro Altar girls, my friend
our diocese allows them. The only diocese, that I know of that strickly does not allow them is Lincoln Nebraska. Hopefully they will see in the light, in my opinion.Having said that, I fully support anyone who wants to attend a parish were only boys are allowed.
You just gave me another reason I don’t like Fr. Corapi. The list just keeps longer.
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Brendan
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No, the celebrant may exclude girls from the sanctuary for no other reason than they are girls.And girls
The same is not true for boys.
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Brendan
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And the celebrant himself.
If altar girls to be used, the bishop must first allow them in his diocese. If that has not happened, no priest may use them
Secondly, the pastor must allow them in his parish. If that has not happend, a pastoral vicar or visiting priest may not use altar girls.
And finally the celebrant himself. A bishop or pastor may simply allow their use, neither can mandate it. If a pastoral vicar or visting priest does not wish them to be used the Mass he presides over, they cannot be used.
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anamchara
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It looks Arlington was one of the last holds out. Interesting: wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=25&sid=732873
“Arlington had been one of only two dioceses out of nearly 200 in the United States that limited the ability of women and girls to serve at the altar and assist priests during Mass. Lincoln, Neb., is the other”
And look…awwww, bless her heart. I hate reading stuff like this:
“Howarth said her 21-year-old daughter had wanted to be an altar girl since she was 8, and eventually decided not to be confirmed in the Church because she could not serve.”
That is dated 2006, so you have allowed girl Altar servers for very long there.
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anamchara
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We were talking about patens
and you said “boys” so I thought I’d add girls as well I trained girls to hold patens.Did I miss something, does the OP attend a Altar boy only parish?
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Sailka
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I think women are smarter, more able than men. And lot more ideal. That’s why Fr Corapi and I think only us men should be Priests. Really. I got High Five from New Benedictine Sisters right after they took perpetual vows last year locally, when I told them that.Altar girls, pro and con has been debated, ad nauseam, in these forums more times than you can possibly imagine. Brendan the poster and I have gone rounds on the subject many times so I was poking some fun a bit, that’s all
I am pro Altar girls, my friend
Having said that, I fully support anyone who wants to attend a parish were only boys are allowed.
You just gave me another reason I don’t like Fr. Corapi. The list just keeps longer.
By the way it is Documented internationally that girls win Vast, overwhelming majority of worldwide Mathematics school age competitions.
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Sailka
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A few key points: I’ve been at Arlington Parishes where Altar Girls were started. The Congregations did not like it, Left that Parish to join Ours. Altar girls also didn’t like doing boys job. Are few Altar girls in our Diocese, because Public and girls like it.
The Arlington VA Diocese is the Fastest growing in the USA, growing about 25% every decade! We are traditional, and have vastly increased Vocations: 35 Now in Seminary, One of my friends at Vatican Seminary. Nuns, Sisters also. Many Vocations.
And many Tridentine Masses: Our Big New Church has every 12:30 Sunday Mass Tridentine. And our Membership Tripled from 3000 to 10,000 This Year.
And our Best Lectors are Girls and Women. (And women ‘rule’ our Parish
Our Youth Mass at 5 PM Sunday is overflow 1300, with Mostly Girl Choir and orchestra. We have Large number of great Youth Programs, very popular.
Balance, Equality, Respect for all works!
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anamchara
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You’ve been to all of them eh? You seem to have about 67 parishes in Arlington Virgina, perhaps more now, are you willing to say you went to all the parishes when the good Bishop lifted the ban and spoke with all the congregations? And spoke with all those Altar girls? Sorry, I can’t buy right into your word there.We have 37 in our diocese and we allow altar girls, so I don’t think that really proves anything. We have three in the Vatican City.
Best Lectors are people who are called to do this and have been trained and understand the importance of what they are doing, regardless of gender.And our Best Lectors are Girls and Women. (And women ‘rule’ our Parish
Exactly, so your boys and girls should be able to have the freedom to do whatever ministry they want that is allowed in your diocese. ALL children of Both genders are fully capable of doing any ministry in the Church if it is in heart to do so. If it is not, then it will show in their face and demeanor.
Your priest has every right to make the decision to go against your Bishop’s decision to allow altar girls but that doesn’t mean the sun shine any brighter on your parish for it. Nor does it make your parish the best priest making machine in the land.
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Brendan
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But the priest is NOT going agains the decision of the bishop. The bishop ALLOWED them in his diocese. Has the priest ever said that the bishop did not make that decision?
And as for the best priest making machine, I would like to hear of a parish that currently has 7 men in the seminary, and that has had 6 ordained from the parish in the last 10 years, like ours does. And it might not be the sun shining any brighter, but is certainly is the SON shining brightly
And yes, my pastor credits that to the altar BOY program.
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Brendan
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Oh yea, and our lectors for each Mass are the two most senior altar boys ( unless our Chaldean Sub Deacon is at the Mass, as an ordained Reader, he takes precidence)
The pastor feels that having the senior altar boys do this is important as it prepares them to read at Mass, as they would have to do as a priest.
At our parish, the vast majority of boys between 5 and 19 are altar boys. And their is no schedule, if a boy is present, he serves, just as if he was a priest.
Do you see a common trend in how our pastor views and trains his altar servers
The pastor feels that having the senior altar boys do this is important as it prepares them to read at Mass, as they would have to do as a priest.
At our parish, the vast majority of boys between 5 and 19 are altar boys. And their is no schedule, if a boy is present, he serves, just as if he was a priest.
Do you see a common trend in how our pastor views and trains his altar servers
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FrDavid96
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There are mission parishes right here in the US who would very much appreciate having those vessels if the diocese considers their storage an issue.
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FrDavid96
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So is the decision on how to spend parish funds left to the discretion of the pastor.
Yet, a priest who abuses the temporal goods of the parish is held accountable (and rightly so).
A priest who abuses the spiritual goods of the Church is left to his own designs (not always, but all too often).
I have never quite understood that concept.
Just thinking aloud here…
Br Allen, I know you’re not advocating either one!
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