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Dokimas
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Did you notice my apology in my last post? I edited it after your comment.
Your thinking was wrong, Bill. In ecumenical dialogues between Lutherans and Catholics, they make it a point to use the terms interchangeably, because the mean the same thing.
usccb.org/seia/luthrc_eucharist_1968.shtml
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Now I am totally confused. Jesus does say to eat his flesh and drink his blood. Jesus does say that this IS his body and his blood.
Besides, you do fully understand that gathering in his name means in the way he instructed. That can mean the Eucharist. Oh, and there He is in our midst
Besides, you do fully understand that gathering in his name means in the way he instructed. That can mean the Eucharist. Oh, and there He is in our midst
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Dokimas
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Is the host the Eucharist?
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rev_kevin
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He has done worse to me and I will no longer talk to T.F.
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Thank you rev you really are a nice guy
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The problem there might be, D, is what the different interpretations of what Scripture has to say about communion. Some would say when Christ says “this is my body” he means so in a literal sense, as Catholics do. Other Christians might say, no, he meant that purely in a figurative sense.
I would guess that the Anglicans are closest to Catholics on Eutharistic theology, followed very closely by the Lutherans.
Probably true of the Anglicans that believe Transubstantiation. You, and others, might be interested in this document from the USCCB website, regarding dialogue on the Eucharist.
usccb.org/seia/luthrc_eucharist_1968.shtml
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Thanks, Jon.
I recall reading that several years ago.
It always tickles me that way that such ecumenical dialoges go: “We (or they) do not deny such and such…”, but I guess we gotta start with “Well, we don’t exactly agree on XYor Z, but you say it’s true and we don’t deny it (or vice versa)” before going to say that “Yeah, I guess we agree on such and such after all”.
I recall reading that several years ago.
It always tickles me that way that such ecumenical dialoges go: “We (or they) do not deny such and such…”, but I guess we gotta start with “Well, we don’t exactly agree on XYor Z, but you say it’s true and we don’t deny it (or vice versa)” before going to say that “Yeah, I guess we agree on such and such after all”.
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Roman_Catholic_1
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There are no “parts” of Christ. He isn’t like a minotaur, half bull, half man. He was a divine being. 100% human 100% God. Not part man and part God. Both. Completely.
God bless you
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Did anyone walk away when Jesus said he was a door, a rock, or a lamb? Nope. They left when he said they must eat his bread and drink his blood. AND HE LET THEM GO THINKING THAT HE MEANT IT. Why did he let them walk away if he was being figurative? Was it because he wanted less followers? Was it because he was glad that they misunderstood? Even the 12 thought he meant exactly what he said, and he never corrected them.
No, we do other things beside communion, but that is the ultimate way Catholics praise and worship God.
The host is the Eucharist once it is consecrated
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Dokimas
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Abraham was told to sacrifice his son Isaac. God let him believe it until the last second. Why does God do things the way He does? Will just have to ask Him when we’re in Heaven. However, God expects us to exercise faith. Romans 4 (I think it was there), tells us that Abraham thought that God was going to raise Isaac from the dead after he killed him. God wants us to trust Him even when we don’t understand. The disciples didn’t understand Jesus in John 6, I’m quite sure, but they knew that what He said was LIFE.
Calling one’s self a door, a rock or a lamb is no big deal. An onlooker may thing the person a little crazy, but no big deal.
Telling others to eat human flesh and drink human blood was against the Jewish religion (which belongs to Jesus). Jesus often didn’t correct misunderstanding on the spot. He cleared it up when He instituted it, ‘do this in remembrance of Me.’
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Communion is an action and life of Christians who are sealed in Jesus Christ, robed in white wedding garments who are the only ones who can sit eat at table with the Lord. Who celebrates the wedding feast of the Lamb and his bride in the Catholic Church. For no one can enter the wedding feast without a wedding garment (baptism), lest he be bound head and feet and cast out.
Communion begins with the covenant relationship with God. (Luke 22:19
7 Then he took the bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body, which will be given for you; do this in memory of me."
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And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, **"This cup is the new covenant **]in my blood, which will be shed for you).
Communion begins with Jesus own words from scripture “WITHOUT ME YOU CAN DO NOTHING” (John15:5)
It is precisely this that makes the “parousia”, anamnesis" the True presence of Jesus Christ present in his blessed Sacrament. This is where the Apostolic faith is built upon Rock and all others leave off the rock and build their own christianity on sand.
Jesus commanded his Apostles to “forgive sins” to “baptise all nations” to call to rememberance his body and blood sacrifice in the species of bread and wine according to the order of Melchizedeck, when the divine Words make then his body, blood soul and divinity. Now we know the apostles cannot do any of the above without Jesus being present.
No community of believers can never make a priest or begin a priesthood on their own. God makes them Priest’s forever. Without Jesus, a Pope, Bishop, Priest and deacon cannot do nothing on their own. Including consecrating Holy Orders, and confecting the sacraments. For it is the “True Presence of Jesus” that the Apostles and their successors in the Catholic Church can perform their mission by God, to baptise, forgive sins, celebrate the Eucharist Jesus come in the flesh.
Without believing Jesus come in the flesh is not of God, but is antiChrist;
(1 John 4: 1 Beloved, do not trust every spirit but test the spirits to see whether they belong to God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
2 **This is how you can know the Spirit of God: every spirit that acknowledges Jesus Christ come in the flesh be longs to God, **3 **and every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus 2 does not belong to God. This is the spirit of the antichrist **that, as you heard, is to come, but in fact is already in the world.
Communion with the divine is not making God present by how we feel, or believe ourselves apart from Apostolic Written and Oral Sacred Tradtions. In the Catholic Church we give witness to Jesus Christ, and obey his commandments to the Letter, thus Jesus fulfills his promise to never leave her orphans. Catholic in liturgy remain “still” in our silence and allow God to move himself, we do not make God present, or call his presence by how we feel, no; God is present because he himself makes this happen by his Living Word which becomes flesh in time from eternity, Catholics obey God’s commandments, apart from Jesus True presence, “We can do nothing”.
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Dokimas:
You are correct that eating human flesh was completely offensive to the Jews, as well as the rest of us, I think. That is the point. The Jews understood Him, in their native language, to say and mean exactly what He said. “Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you shall have no life in you.” There was no misunderstanding of His meaning, as if He was speaking metaphorically, only lack of comprehension.
They all left Him, all except His Apostles. He asked “will you go also?” and they replied “to whom shall we go, You have the words of eternal life”. They didn’t comprehend it either, but they knew that He spoke the truth. They believed because of the One Who told them.
Jesus was speaking in the future tense “The bread that I SHALL give is my flesh for the life of the world”. And so He comes to us, not as a dead human corpse, but in the simple elements of bread and wine. We partake of His glorified, living body, not dead human flesh. He is the :LIVING BREAD". If God could make the entire universe out of nothing, why in the world should we not believe that He could choose to come to us in something already created? Especially when He told us in no uncertain terms that “this is my body, this is my blood”.
You are correct that eating human flesh was completely offensive to the Jews, as well as the rest of us, I think. That is the point. The Jews understood Him, in their native language, to say and mean exactly what He said. “Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you shall have no life in you.” There was no misunderstanding of His meaning, as if He was speaking metaphorically, only lack of comprehension.
They all left Him, all except His Apostles. He asked “will you go also?” and they replied “to whom shall we go, You have the words of eternal life”. They didn’t comprehend it either, but they knew that He spoke the truth. They believed because of the One Who told them.
Jesus was speaking in the future tense “The bread that I SHALL give is my flesh for the life of the world”. And so He comes to us, not as a dead human corpse, but in the simple elements of bread and wine. We partake of His glorified, living body, not dead human flesh. He is the :LIVING BREAD". If God could make the entire universe out of nothing, why in the world should we not believe that He could choose to come to us in something already created? Especially when He told us in no uncertain terms that “this is my body, this is my blood”.
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a-hem.
“other demoninations”
Catholicism is NOT a denomination. The trunk of the tree is not a branch
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