Comparative Religion and General Faith Discussion

[worldcitizen]

I am not sure what you mean, just read this link. Just because there is some link and it describes Incarnations of the Son in the same way, does not make the Bab and Bahaullah incarnations of God. I could create a webpage and describe some Twofold station about any two persons, that will not make them incarnations of God.

But the reason I don’t believe in their Avatarhood as I said before is, for instance the Bab taught that all books should be burnt except his own. Then he taught that everyone who did not follow him should be killed. Then when he was questioned by the authorities, he recanted all his teachings. Bahaullah claimed to base his teachings on the Bab’s, but actually rejected them - now the Bab’s original followers (Bayanis? Azalis?) are making all kinds of accusations against Bahaullah and the Bahai. A lot of sordid stuff - basically these two persons are not ‘Sons of God’, you need to accept that.

Hi openmind77

The Bab’s Mission was to close the era of shariah law and open a new era. His Revelation was the ‘first trumpet blow’ foretold in the Quran. The Second being Baha’u’llah.

His Mission was to enable Muslims to break with the past so that a new future could be prepared so He new if He announced Himself to be the Qaim/Mahdi and Twelfth Imam they would execute Him immediately so He put that off until He had completed His Mission of creating another religion outside Islam because the Muslims were believing wrongly that Muhammad was the last Prophet and that belief was preventing Islam from being renewed so it had to be challenged.

I would like to have access to the material about books and killing non believers if you have links. You may be referring to fort Tabarsi which was not a teaching that all non believers should be killed.

In a provisional translation in the Tablet of Hussain, Baha’u’llah explains why the Bab denied at times being the Promised One until just before thry killed Him. He had a mission to complete and had to ensure that was done before He was killed that’s all.

fananapazir.co.nr/sixtranslations.html

 

[openmind77]

Hi openmind77

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I would like to have access to the material about books and killing non believers if you have links. You may be referring to fort Tabarsi which was not a teaching that all non believers should be killed. …

I am not sure where I downloaded this from, but it is book called “The Babi AND Bahai Religion” by Sufi A. Q. Niyaz. But there are other sites, you can search for bayani on the web.

 

[Servant19]

Hindus have a Triad of three main Gods and Christians also have a Trinity. Hindus say Vishnu incarnates into humans, Christians believe the Son incarnated as Jesus. The Son is a Christian term that does not exist in Hinduism (since it is much older than that term). The Hindu source says that Vishnu descends into the Avatars.

Just fyi, the word avatarana means ‘to descend’ in Sanskrit/Hindi.

Thanks again

Do you have a link to the Scripture that explains this please:

The Hindu source says that Vishnu descends into the Avatars.

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[worldcitizen]

I am not sure where I downloaded this from, but it is book called “The Babi AND Bahai Religion” by Sufi A. Q. Niyaz. But there are other sites, you can search for bayani on the web.

Got it! Many thanks!

Relying on these people for accurate information about the Bab and Baha’u’llah is like relying on the Jews to tell you about Christ.

 

[openmind77]

Got it! Many thanks!

Relying on these people for accurate information about the Bab and Baha’u’llah is like relying on the Jews to tell you about Christ.

I have never ever heard anybody in the whole world (including jews) say anything bad about Jesus.

 

[worldcitizen]

Wrong. Read the verse before it. Plus nothing is “clever” in the Bible. It is Holy.

MJ

It’s the beginning of a chapter about a completely different topic - Islam.

Of course the Bible is Holy.

I’m only pointing out how scholars keep,missing the point here. Scholars don’t understand the Book of Revelation is about the history of religion not just Jesus.

I can’t reject that it’s clearly referring to Islam because it’s just so obvious to me. Obvious as the noonday sun.

 

[openmind77]

Thanks again

Do you have a link to the Scripture that explains this please:

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• Go to google dot com.
• Enter “Vishnu descends” in the square for data entry.
• Move your mouse to icon that looks like a magnifying glass.
• Click mouse.
• Google will produce thousands of results!

 

[worldcitizen]

This is a beautiful glimpse of what a future world will look like…

‘My purpose in coming to this corrupt world where the tyrants and traitors, by their acts of cruelty and oppression, have closed the doors of peace and tranquillity to all mankind, is to establish, through the power of God and His might, the forces of justice, trust, security and faith. For instance [in the future] should a woman …, who is unsurpassed in her beauty and adorned with the most exquisite and priceless jewels, travel unveiled and alone, from the east of the world to the west thereof, passing through every land and journeying in all countries, there would be such a standard of justice, trustworthiness and faith on the one hand, and lack of treachery and degradation on the other, that no one would be found who would wish to rob her of her possessions or to cast a treacherous and lustful eye upon her beauteous chastity!..’ Then Bahá’u’lláh affirmed, ‘Through the power of God I shall transform the peoples of the world into this exalted state and shall open this most great door to the face of all humanity. (Revelation of Baha’u’llah Vol 2)

I sent this Tablet to the Government of India when all the rapes were making world news and said that this is the standard they must aim for.

 

[worldcitizen]

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*Say: He is not to be numbered with the people of Bahá who followeth his mundane desires, or fixeth his heart on things of the earth. He is My true follower who, if he come to a valley of pure gold, will pass straight through it aloof as a cloud, and will neither turn back, nor pause. Such a man is, assuredly, of Me. From his garment the Concourse on high can inhale the fragrance of sanctity….

Chastity

And if he met the fairest and most comely of women, he would not feel his heart seduced by the least shadow of desire for her beauty. Such an one, indeed, is the creation of spotless chastity. Thus instructeth you the Pen of the Ancient of Days, as bidden by your Lord, the Almighty, the All-Bountiful.
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(Gleanings LX)

 

[openmind77]

This is a beautiful glimpse of what a future world will look like…

‘My purpose in coming to this corrupt world where the tyrants and traitors, by their acts of cruelty and oppression, have closed the doors of peace and tranquillity to all mankind, is to establish, through the power of God and His might, the forces of justice, trust, security and faith. For instance [in the future] should a woman …, who is unsurpassed in her beauty and adorned with the most exquisite and priceless jewels, travel unveiled and alone, from the east of the world to the west thereof, passing through every land and journeying in all countries, there would be such a standard of justice, trustworthiness and faith on the one hand, and lack of treachery and degradation on the other, that no one would be found who would wish to rob her of her possessions or to cast a treacherous and lustful eye upon her beauteous chastity!..’ Then Bahá’u’lláh affirmed, ‘Through the power of God I shall transform the peoples of the world into this exalted state and shall open this most great door to the face of all humanity. (Revelation of Baha’u’llah Vol 2)

I sent this Tablet to the Government of India when all the rapes were making world news and said that this is the standard they must aim for.

The Government of India is an enormous bureaucracy. Your tablet is either still in some inbox or has been routed to the literature, poetry and drama department (if there is such a thing).

 

[worldcitizen]

The Government of India is an enormous bureaucracy. Your tablet is either still in some inbox or has been routed to the literature, poetry and drama department (if there is such a thing).

Ha! Ha! I care so I dont want these things to happen so I just try and help in small ways I can. People need to be reeducated. I love India I’ve been there twice and was there for 3 months but always get Delhi belly.

 

[Servant19]

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*Say: He is not to be numbered with the people of Bahá who followeth his mundane desires, or fixeth his heart on things of the earth. He is My true follower who, if he come to a valley of pure gold, will pass straight through it aloof as a cloud, and will neither turn back, nor pause. Such a man is, assuredly, of Me. From his garment the Concourse on high can inhale the fragrance of sanctity….

Chastity

And if he met the fairest and most comely of women, he would not feel his heart seduced by the least shadow of desire for her beauty. Such an one, indeed, is the creation of spotless chastity. Thus instructeth you the Pen of the Ancient of Days, as bidden by your Lord, the Almighty, the All-Bountiful.
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(Gleanings LX)

I don’t understand how anyone could reject such beauteous Words inspiring us to such heights of spiritual nobility…

So beautiful

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[TonyBS]

From another thread about the Hidden Words of Baha’u’llah

He speaks as if hes God

Yes I find this is as Christ also Spoke. At times they speak as the Man, at time they speak as the Messenger and at Times they Speak as God.

The best example I see of this is the Fire Tablet of Baha’u’llah where Baha’u’llah the man is asking God about Where He is, then God Answers and the Manifestation replies. (that is my view and not official)

reference.bahai.org/en/t/c/BP/bp-174.html

Regards Tony

 

[worldcitizen]

I think we have focused too much on the Station of Baha’u’llah and not enough on His Teachings.

So here goes…

“Do not be content with showing friendship in words alone, let your heart burn with loving kindness for all who may cross your path.”
― Bahá’u’lláh

The utterance of God is a lamp, whose light is these words: Ye are the fruits of one tree, and the leaves of one branch. Deal ye one with another with the utmost love and harmony, with friendliness and fellowship. … So powerful is the light of unity that it can illuminate the whole earth.”
― Bahá’u’lláh

O people! Consort with the followers of all religions in a spirit of friendliness and fellowship.
(Most Holy Book)

 

[Servant19]

I have never ever heard anybody in the whole world (including jews) say anything bad about Jesus.

Brother!!!

Have you not read the Bible??

What were the Pharisees saying to Jesus? Were they not even throwing stones at Him??
You have heard nothing bad said about Jesus ever???

Those same stones have been thrown to every Manifestation of God…ponder and reflect on this please

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[worldcitizen]

O Thou Who art the King of names, …and the Fast which Thy most exalted Pen hath enjoined unto all who are in the kingdom of Thy creation to observe is approaching.

So have all our dear friends here prepared for fasting tomorrow as it has been enjoined unto all who are in the kingdom of creation? Catholics, Hindus, Buddhists, atheists if you’re between the age of 15-70 and in good health.

I’ve set my alarm clock for 5am.

Then breakfast and dawn prayers

Then no food or drink until sunset. But plenty of prayers in between and talking about God.

I’ve got watermelon juice in the freezer, a nice Persian lamb dish also and my BELOVED wife is making fried chicken now.

Baha’u’llah says:

Thou hast endowed every hour of these days with a special virtue, inscrutable to all except Thee, Whose knowledge embraceth all created things. Thou hast, also, assigned unto every soul a portion of this virtue in accordance with the Tablet of Thy decree and the Scriptures of Thine irrevocable judgment. Every leaf of these Books and Scriptures Thou hast, moreover, allotted to each one of the peoples and kindreds of the earth. ( Fasting prayer)

 

[TonyBS]

O Thou Who art the King of names, …and the Fast which Thy most exalted Pen hath enjoined unto all who are in the kingdom of Thy creation to observe is approaching.

So have all our dear friends here prepared for fasting tomorrow as it has been enjoined unto all who are in the kingdom of creation? Catholics, Hindus, Buddhists, atheists if you’re between the age of 15-70 and in good health.

I’ve set my alarm clock for 5am.

Then breakfast and dawn prayers

Then no food or drink until sunset. But plenty of prayers in between and talking about God.

I’ve got watermelon juice in the freezer, a nice Persian lamb dish also and my BELOVED wife is making fried chicken now.

Baha’u’llah says:

Thou hast endowed every hour of these days with a special virtue, inscrutable to all except Thee, Whose knowledge embraceth all created things. Thou hast, also, assigned unto every soul a portion of this virtue in accordance with the Tablet of Thy decree and the Scriptures of Thine irrevocable judgment. Every leaf of these Books and Scriptures Thou hast, moreover, allotted to each one of the peoples and kindreds of the earth. ( Fasting prayer)

Have to get my Coconuts on the way home, love breaking fast with fresh Coconut Water

God bless all and their Fast

Regards Tony

 

[openmind77]

Brother!!!

Have you not read the Bible??

What were the Pharisees saying to Jesus? Were they not even throwing stones at Him??
You have heard nothing bad said about Jesus ever???

Those same stones have been thrown to every Manifestation of God…ponder and reflect on this please

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I am talking about anyone living today - anywhere in the world today - nobody speaks ill of Jesus.

I find lots of people speaking ill of Bahais, the Bab and Bahaullah even today (especially on the net).

 

[worldcitizen]

I am talking about anyone living today - anywhere in the world today - nobody speaks ill of Jesus.

I find lots of people speaking ill of Bahais and Bahaullah even today (especially on the net).

That’s because we’re the new kid on the block!

 

[Servant19]

I am talking about anyone living today - anywhere in the world today - nobody speaks ill of Jesus.

I find lots of people speaking ill of Bahais, the Bab and Bahaullah even today (especially on the net).

Gossip, backbiting, defamation and calumny are acts of evil against those that are of God.

Every time I hear people defaming and backbiting, I know who is the loved one of God.

I’ll give you a clue…it’s not the defamer and the backbiter

It’s sad that you allow such stains to affect your pure heart to such an extreme level dear brother …

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