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openmind77
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Hundred and seventy years is old in this day and age. Now we are ready to receive the real Mahdi and Jesus when they return. That is only when you will accept reality.
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TonyBS
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Ya Baha’ul’abha to that
Effort is required.“It behoveth us, therefore, to make the utmost endeavor, that, by God’s invisible assistance, these dark veils, these clouds of Heaven-sent trials, may not hinder us from beholding the beauty of His shining Countenance, and that we may recognize Him only by His own Self”.
Regards Tony
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openmind77
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It requires discrimination in recognizing flowery fluff and warmed-up old philosophies compared to something original and new and truly revolutionary.Ya Baha’ul’abha to that
“It behoveth us, therefore, to make the utmost endeavor, that, by God’s invisible assistance, these dark veils, these clouds of Heaven-sent trials, may not hinder us from beholding the beauty of His shining Countenance, and that we may recognize Him only by His own Self”.
Regards Tony
Even among the Bahai sect itself there seems to be much dissension - accusations of spying, harassment, ostracism, shunning - not very uplifting stuff.
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worldcitizen
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Everybody who hasn’t watched this I encourage you to do so.
The Message. The Story of Islam - Anthony Quinn
veoh.com/m/watch.php?v=v7029015heJ7KGAQ
If you haven’t seen this Servant and Tony and you have the bandwidth then this is so beautiful. I’ve watched it again and again. So moving, historically accurate as far as I know and better than a thousand arguments.
Love to everyone here,
David
The Message. The Story of Islam - Anthony Quinn
veoh.com/m/watch.php?v=v7029015heJ7KGAQ
If you haven’t seen this Servant and Tony and you have the bandwidth then this is so beautiful. I’ve watched it again and again. So moving, historically accurate as far as I know and better than a thousand arguments.
Love to everyone here,
David
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TonyBS
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By visiting sites that offer you that perspective is not uplifting, but what is uplifting is that it matters not!
As with any Faith the weeds are thrown out, The Bible gives the parable as to where a strong plant grows
and where it will wither and die.I could offer links to more reliable information if you wish!
But It appears you have made your choice?
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TonyBS
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Sorry David do not have the required internet capability. I want to watch it now as well
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openmind77
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Look Mr Tony, I don’t think the Bahai faith is bad at all. I don’t need to visit any sites to figure that out. But don’t give me your ‘we are Saviors of the world’ routine, because nobody buys it. You are a very minor sect - about 0.001 % of the world’s the population and you will be never more than that, because the world’s population is growing much faster than you can convince people to give up 19% of their assets.By visiting sites that offer you that perspective is not uplifting, but what is uplifting is that it matters not!
As with any Faith the weeds are thrown out, The Bible gives the parable as to where a strong plant grows
I could offer links to more reliable information if you wish!
But It appears you have made your choice?
Regards Tony
The Bahai don’t have any newer revelation than is well known by the rest of the world’s religions. All you have is what I said before - flowery fluff and warmed-up, copied old philosophies.
If you want beauty in poetry read Keats, if you want truth about life read the Buddha’s sermons, if you want truth and beauty both, read Jesus’s beatitudes. But nobody needs Bahaullah and his condescending exhortations.
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TonyBS
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You mean like this
From LAWH-I-AQDAS, (The Most Holy Tablet)
[Sometimes referred to as Tablet to the Christians.]
Say:
Blessed the slumberer who is awakened by My Breeze.
Blessed the lifeless one who is quickened through My reviving breaths.
Blessed the eye that is solaced by gazing at My beauty.
Blessed the wayfarer who directeth his steps towards the Tabernacle of My glory and majesty.
Blessed the distressed one who seeketh refuge beneath the shadow of My canopy.
Blessed the sore athirst who hasteneth to the soft-flowing waters of My loving-kindness.
Blessed the insatiate soul who casteth away his selfish desires for love of Me and taketh his place at the banquet table which I have sent down from the heaven of divine bounty for My chosen ones.
Blessed the abased one who layeth fast hold on the cord of My glory; and the needy one who entereth beneath the shadow of the Tabernacle of My wealth.
Blessed the ignorant one who seeketh the fountain of My knowledge; and the heedless one who cleavethto the cord of My remembrance.
Blessed the soul that hath been raised to life through My
quickening breath and hath gained admittance into My heavenly Kingdom.
Blessed the man Whom the sweet savours of reunion with Me have stirred and caused to draw nigh unto the Dayspring of My Revelation.
Blessed the ear that hath heard and the tongue that hath borne witness and the eye that hath seen and recognized the Lord Himself, in His great glory and majesty, invested with grandeur and dominion.
Blessed are they that have attained His presence.
Blessed the man who hath sought enlightenment from the Day-Star of My Word.
Blessed he who hath attired his head with the diadem of My love.
Blessed is he who hath heard of My griefand hath arisen to aid Me among My people.
Blessed is he who hath laid down his life in My path and hath borne manifold hardshipsfor the sake of My Name.
Blessed the man who assured of My Word, hath arisen from among the dead to celebrate My praise.
Blessed is he that hath been enraptured by My wondrous melodies and hath rent the veils asunder through the potency of My might.
Blessed is he who hath remained faithful to My Covenant, and whom the things of the world have not kept back from attaining My Court of holiness.
Blessed is the man who hath detached himself from all else but Me, hath soared in the atmosphere of My love, hath gained admittance into My Kingdom, gazed upon My realms of glory, quaffedthe living waters of My bounty, hath drunk his fill from the heavenly river of My loving providence,acquainted himself with My Cause, apprehended that which I concealed within the treasuryof My Words, and hath shone forth from the horizon of divine knowledge engaged in My praise and glorification.
Verily, he is of Me. Upon him rest My mercy,
My loving-kindness, My bounty and My glory.
(Baha’u’llah, Tablets of Baha’u’llah, revealed after
the Kitab-i-Aqdas, pp. 16-17)
Regards Tony
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Servant19
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You know openmind. If one wants to look for it, you will find plenty that will say horrible things about Christianity and Jesus…the web is teeming with the stuff. Yet for some reason, you want to believe the Baha’i hate websites, but don’t believe the Catholic hate websites
You have the free will to do so.
I often wonder also if it would have been better and easier for God to speak to us like this:
youtube.com/watch?v=hLwJuuG-hBY
…but then I realised that “flowery” language should be the ONLY way an Ultimate Reality, the Ultimate Perfection we call God should be communicating to us. If Shakespeare can instill and inspire me to spiritually change more than God can, then…what’s the point in God??
Personally, it is typical of human ego to say that this language is “too flowery fluff” because if it wasn’t the other side would be shouting it’s a Revelation for the “small-minded and unintelligent”
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t
Either way, the human ego is alive and well
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worldcitizen
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Beautiful Beautitudes He says to himself while watching the Messenger movie eating curry and in tears.
Love you all my dear people
Love you all my dear people
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MartinJordan
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False. It is not a beginning of the chapter. It is a continuation.
How do you know the Bible is Holy if it cannot speak on its own?
Which scholars?
Obvious to you. Subjective. Exegesis please.
MJ
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Woman Clothed with the Sun
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worldcitizen
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Dear Martin and Joey,
“Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, ye must be born again.”
Excerpt From: Bahá’u’lláh. “Gems of Divine Mysteries.”
To see the spiritual truth in Revelation and all the Holy Books of God one must be born again. A new Revelation has appeared from God and to see the truth one must be reborn otherwise one will just contend like the Jews did with Christ.
“Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, ye must be born again.”
Excerpt From: Bahá’u’lláh. “Gems of Divine Mysteries.”
To see the spiritual truth in Revelation and all the Holy Books of God one must be born again. A new Revelation has appeared from God and to see the truth one must be reborn otherwise one will just contend like the Jews did with Christ.
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MartinJordan
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Deal with Revelation 1 onwards. Otherwise it is a fool’s errand. Jesus first and it continues. Don’t disrespect our Scripture with things all over the place. Can you try to be fair and deal with Revelation from the beginning?
For example:
1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.
4 John,
To the seven churches in the province of Asia:
Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.
To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.
7 “Look, he is coming with the clouds,
and “every eye will see him,
even those who pierced him”;
and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.”[c]
So shall it be! Amen.
8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”
John’s Vision of Christ
9 I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. 10 On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet, 11 which said: “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.”
Honest attempt please.
MJ
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Servant19
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David, Tony, Art,
As we approach the eve of the month of fasting, I just wanted to say that I love you so dearly and I will be praying fervently for each of you to continue your services to our Lord, in removing misunderstandings, in shedding light upon places where there is darkness and in promoting the oneness of God, religion and humanity wherever you reside. May your services rendered bring forth greater tests as we “sacrifice our candle wax in order to allow the flame to give it’s light”
To all my Catholic, Hindu, Muslim, and non-Catholic friends, you all are dearly loved and cherished for the love that you all have in your own sacred hearts for our one God. May you forever be enkindled with His spirit. You can be assured that during this sacred Baha’i month, you will all be named individually, in remembrance, as I kneel before my Lord in prayer and supplication.
God bless you all.
Kam
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David, Tony, Art,
As we approach the eve of the month of fasting, I just wanted to say that I love you so dearly and I will be praying fervently for each of you to continue your services to our Lord, in removing misunderstandings, in shedding light upon places where there is darkness and in promoting the oneness of God, religion and humanity wherever you reside. May your services rendered bring forth greater tests as we “sacrifice our candle wax in order to allow the flame to give it’s light”
To all my Catholic, Hindu, Muslim, and non-Catholic friends, you all are dearly loved and cherished for the love that you all have in your own sacred hearts for our one God. May you forever be enkindled with His spirit. You can be assured that during this sacred Baha’i month, you will all be named individually, in remembrance, as I kneel before my Lord in prayer and supplication.
God bless you all.
Kam
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ericc
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And that is one of the biggest gulf between Christianity and Islam/Bahai faith.
The verses that I quoted stated that the disciples worshiped Jesus as God. The Greek word used was “prosekynēsan”.
One does not stop worshiping God when he took on human form. Jesus said to worship in spirit and truth.
Meaning you don’t believe the human Jesus died, and rose again on the 3rd day. Jesus himself claimed he did Luk 24:46. So are you accusing Jesus of lying?
No Christians believe God got married or had children though sexual means. That has never been taught. So why bring up such a statement? Some Muslims/Bahais jump to the conclusion that if God has a son, it must be through procreation. That is a narrow mindset most probably influenced by some heretics or gnostics. The first thing to explore is to understand how a Christian understand by the term Son of God (the “S” in caps) rather than make uneducated statements.
He accepted worship as a God from his disciples. Doesn’t that make him a false prophet if he is not God? He raised the dead to life. Several times. He forgives sins. Only God can do that. He says before Abraham, he was already there. He says he saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. He says he came down from heaven. John 3:13. John says he is God. Jn1:1 Since John wrote Revelation. Either you accept John’s writings as truth or not. If you accept John’s writings, you will need to accept Jesus is God. Otherwise, you must reject Revelation as well.
Perhaps I confused you with some one else. A Bahai claims that the Bible mention Mohammed and Ali in Revelation 11:3. I said the Bible didn’t. Rev 11:3 said there are 2 (unnamed) witnesses. One shouldn’t claim what the Bible didn’t say. If the Bahai holy books made that claim in their books, the correct statement would be that the Bahai holy books made that claim, not the Bible. A false statement like this may mislead other not-so-well-read Christians. The Ali question is this: why is Ali the second witness? Why not Abu Bakr or Umar or any other 2 candidates. Who is authorized by God to make that claim?
Unfortunately I can not comment too much on the Bahai faith simply because I am not a believer and it wouldn’t be fair. Previously in other threads I poked so many holes at the credibility of the 1260 prophecy.
My issue is non-Christian believers are really not credible Bible interpreters. I can take a Quran and ask Muslims why it is such and such. But I can not tell a Muslim how to interpret their Holy Book. Likewise, non-Christian believers should not take the Bible and assign meanings and interpretations. It is not credible for a non-Christian believer/practitioner of the Bible to assign meanings and interpretations. I think you would agree. First and foremost Christians believe Jesus is God. How we read the Bible or get taught by the Church is simply based off history. Catholics/Orthodox have 2000 years of history. Although Christians may have differing opinions, Jesus is God and the resurrection is universal. When others attempt to deny our beliefs, obviously we take exception. You need not be amazed why we ignore all future prophets. Jesus specifically warned us of false prophets. He told us in Mat 24:14 “this gospel” will be preached throughout the world till the end. Hence there is no room for us to listen to other gospels/revelations. I hope you understand that. Jesus already pre-empt that.
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Techno2000
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You know that in the Catholic faith " born again" means Baptism…right ?
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worldcitizen
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Dear Martin,
The question was about Muhammad being in the Bible and so I quoted the section dealing with Islam. Otherwise it would take an entire volume to go through the the entire Revelation of 22 chapters.
Then you need a book explaining the Book of Revelation from beginning to end.
It’s our Book too.
The question was about Muhammad being in the Bible and so I quoted the section dealing with Islam. Otherwise it would take an entire volume to go through the the entire Revelation of 22 chapters.
Then you need a book explaining the Book of Revelation from beginning to end.
It’s our Book too.
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worldcitizen
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By born again here is meant spiritual Baptism not just outward Baptism and this is required whenever a Revelation comes from God. For instance the Jews, when Christ came failed to be born again into His faith so have no spiritual life although outwardly they pray and worship.
Luke 22:34
And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me.
Althought this event seemingly occurred in the time of Jesus, there is also a wider meaning that Christianity will deny Christ 3 times once as Muhammad, another as the Bab and thirdly as Baha’u’llah and this prophecy has been fulfilled also as Muhammad, the Bab and Baha’u’llah have all been foretold in the Bible.
To be truly Baptised a Christian needs to accept all God’s Revelations and Manifestations otherwise it is only an outward Baptism, a ceremony but not a true Baptism with fire the fire of the spirit. The same applies for Jews and Muslims and Baha’is.
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jakasaki
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Great ~ Just what we need - another Bahai’ thread ~
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