Comparative Religion and General Faith Discussion

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TonyBS said:
Eric - The only Gulf is the one we have not attempted to cross to see what is on the other side. If we do jot cross we will always say that our side is best when in reality there is beauty in it all.
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And that was what the Serpent said to Eve.
Also the holes one pokes is but in an ocean of water, when you remove the finger the water but again closes over and the Ocean of Truth is only momentarily parted.
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When holes are poked, all the air rushes out and the balloon collapses.
The arguments used are but the same arguments used against the Manifestations/Prophets of the past. They do not stop Gods Word from progressing to its timely potential.
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Jesus warn us of false prophets that preached a different gospel. And you preached a different gospel.
The 2300 year Prophesy of Daniel ties exactly to the 1260 Revelation Prophecy. There are no holes but what one digs themselves. But will notbrehash this, as each has free will to have a fair look at this. Of course if you have an answer before you start, you will not be looking for a new answer.
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The holes have been poked and the balloon has collapsed. I didn’t have an answer before. After checking against historical facts, I am certain the prophecy is invalid. A story is weaved to connect historical dots which (un)fortunately wasn’t done very well. A new story has to be invented to detached the historical reality and replaced with analogies instead.

Just a simple request asking a Bahai to retract an untruth about Mohammed in the Bible is met with avoidance and adding new subjects just to avoid tackling the topic. Just a simple question asking why are the 2 witnesses Mohammed and Ali and not someone elses is met with a deafening silence.

If the other side is this kind of mindset, all the alarm bells are ringing. The other side denies that Jesus is God, denies the Resurrection, denies his Gospel. So why would a Christian consider the other side? Jesus gave us ALL we need. There is nothing that other faiths can give us that Jesus haven’t. Jesus saves and promises us heaven provided we love and listen to him and obey his commandments. You can’t match his offer.

There are no interpretations or meanings in the Bible that a Bahai can credibly make for Christians. Your intent is to lead Christians away from Jesus. And that is not good on CAF and anywhere else.

Marketing the 1260 prophecy is futile. Whitewashing all the holes with glib interpretations really sway no one. Simple question, who is authorized by God to say all that? Come on, using the Bible as propaganda for the Bahai faith?
 
worldcitizen said:
All humanity is supposed to become one Faith so they are included of course. That was a specific prophecy for the Christians though as it was told to Peter.
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So if Peter would have not denied Christ 3 times… Christianity would have accepted all God’s Revelations…along with Muhammad, the Bab and Baha’u’llah ?
 
ericc said:
After checking against historical facts, I am certain the prophecy is invalid.
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Hi ericc,

Could you please share with me these historic facts that you have checked?

I am sincerely interested in what these are that has convinced you in this direction. Thankyou 🙂

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How can Baha’u’llah speak like he is God, and at the same time say God is Unknowable ?
 
Techno2000 said:
How can Baha’u’llah speak like he is God, and at the same time say God is Unknowable ?
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Hi Joey,

This might help

**"“Under no circumstances, however, can we, while repeating the prayers, insert the name Bahaullah where the word ‘God’ is used. This would be tantamount to blasphemy.”
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(From a letter written on behalf of the Guardian to an individual believer, October 14, 1937)

Just imagine God speaking through Baha’u’llah like music comes out of a speaker ok?

The speaker is not the music. It is only the ‘channel’ through which we hear the music but the music comes from another source.

So when we read “I am God” from Baha’u’llah’s Writings it is not Baha’u’llah speaking but God saying it. At other times Baha’u’llah speaks as a Manifestation.

I always loved the Sound of Music could watch it again and again. Julie Andrews was awesome wasn’t she?
 
FOURTH LATERAN COUNCIL (1215)
  1. Confession of Faith
We firmly believe and simply confess that there is only one true God, eternal and immeasurable, almighty, unchangeable, incomprehensible and ineffable, Father, Son and holy Spirit, three persons but one absolutely simple essence, substance or nature .

ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/LATERAN4.HTM
 
worldcitizen said:
Hi Joey,

This might help

**"“Under no circumstances, however, can we, while repeating the prayers, insert the name Bahaullah where the word ‘God’ is used. This would be tantamount to blasphemy.”
**
(From a letter written on behalf of the Guardian to an individual believer, October 14, 1937)

Just imagine God speaking through Baha’u’llah like music comes out of a speaker ok?

The speaker is not the music. It is only the ‘channel’ through which we hear the music but the music comes from another source.

So when we read “I am God” from Baha’u’llah’s Writings it is not Baha’u’llah speaking but God saying it. At other times Baha’u’llah speaks as a Manifestation.

I always loved the Sound of Music could watch it again and again. Julie Andrews was awesome wasn’t she?
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But you now know all about the unknowable God because you are getting knowledge about him through the speaker.🤷
 
Techno2000 said:
But you now know all about the unknowable God because you are getting knowledge about him through the speaker.🤷
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Not knowledge about God’s essence Techno.

Can you share what you think the meaning is of the de fide teaching :
God’s Essence is also incomprehensible to the blessed in Heaven. (De Fide)

Thanks.

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Techno2000 said:
But you now know all about the unknowable God because you are getting knowledge about him through the speaker.🤷
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Joey. This is directed to 'discerning illuminated hearts". Are you a discerning illuminated heart?

Yes, and the Speaker says… …

"To every discerning and illuminated heart it is evident that God, the unknowable Essence, the Divine Being, is immensely exalted beyond every human attribute, such as corporeal existence, ascent and descent, egress and regress. Far be it from His glory that human tongue should adequately recount His praise, or that human heart comprehend His fathomless mystery. He is, and hath ever been, veiled in the ancient eternity of His Essence, and will remain in His Reality everlastingly hidden from the sight of men. “No vision taketh in Him, but He taketh in all vision; He is the Subtile, the All-Perceiving.”… (GleaningsXIX)
 
Servant19 said:
Not knowledge about God’s essence Techno.

Can you share what you think the meaning is of the de fide teaching :
God’s Essence is also incomprehensible to the blessed in Heaven. (De Fide)

Thanks.

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God’s Essence is the same thing as his Substance and Nature.Jesus is of the same Essence, Substance and Nature… of the Eternal Father.The difference is… one is the Begetter, and one is the Begotten.So we can know God through Jesus who is the same Essence as the Eternal Father.🙂
 
Techno2000 said:
God’s Essence is the same thing as his Substance and Nature.Jesus is of the same Essence, Substance and Nature… of the Eternal Father.The difference is… one is the Begetter, and one is the Begotten.So we can know God through Jesus who is the same Essence as the Eternal Father.🙂
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What do you think the de fide teaching means then Techno?

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