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TonyBS said:
This book was written to the Uncle of the Bab that questioned how His nephew could be the Promised One.

The explanation broke the seals to all the Religions of the Past. It explains how each of the Revelations came from God by starting with the first and working up through the Revelations, until it proves the mission of the Bab. It also foretells of His own Revelation that was to come after the writing of this Book.

This book cements for all time what is the Oneness of God.

Regards Tony
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Are other religions somewhat in error?
 
JimmyDFG said:
Catechism of the Catholic Church
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The Lord addresses an invitation to us, urging us to receive him in the sacrament of the Eucharist: "Truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you

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To respond to this invitation we must prepare ourselves for so great and so holy a moment. St. Paul urges us to examine our conscience: "Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself."Anyone conscious of a grave sin must receive the sacrament of Reconciliation before coming to communion.

This is not of the baha’i faith
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We do not partake of this the same way as a Catholic Would as we see it as a Spiritual Instruction, but we Still partake of the Love and Knowledge of Christ Daily in our Lives.

The material practice of this has been replaced;

This comes from Baha’u’llah’s address to Pope Pius IX.

“Arise in the name of thy Lord, the God of Mercy, amidst the peoples of the earth, and seize thou the Cup of Life with the hands of confidence. First drink thou therefrom, and proffer it then to such as turn towards it amongst the peoples of all faiths”. Baha’u’llah, Summons of the Lord of Hosts, 105, p. 56

Thus it is now Service to humanity in the Love and Knowledge of Jesus the Christ that has replaced the Material aspect of this teaching.

Regards Tony
 
TonyBS said:
This book was written to the Uncle of the Bab that questioned how His nephew could be the Promised One.

The explanation broke the seals to all the Religions of the Past. It explains how each of the Revelations came from God by starting with the first and working up through the Revelations, until it proves the mission of the Bab. It also foretells of His own Revelation that was to come after the writing of this Book.

This book cements for all time what is the Oneness of God.

Regards Tony
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So if the seal has now been broken, can we now see what was written in the previously sealed book ?
 
Techno2000 said:
So if the seal has now been broken, can we now see what was written in the previously sealed book ?
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This is not official an Baha’i view, but from my own understanding. The message was given and again rejected, thus the full potential was not reached. Many of Baha’u’llahs writings have been Lost, tampered with or thrown into the Tigress River. So much has been lost because of our waywardness.

What is now available is what is required for Mankind to reach its next level of Maturity. Thus we have the keys to understand the Bible and other Holy Books and we now have to use those keys to come to a mutual understanding of the books of the past.

Some Keys

Clouds - Anything that obscures us from seeing the full potential of the Sun.

This is a link to an explanation of this subject - bahai-library.com/poirier_iqan_unsealing_bible

This link to other methods of decoding - bahaiteachings.org/decoding-prophetic-code-one-bahai-example

Regards Tony

God Bless and Regards Tony
 
TonyBS said:
We do not partake of this the same way as a Catholic Would as we see it as a Spiritual Instruction, but we Still partake of the Love and Knowledge of Christ Daily in our Lives.

The material practice of this has been replaced;

This comes from Baha’u’llah’s address to Pope Pius IX.

“Arise in the name of thy Lord, the God of Mercy, amidst the peoples of the earth, and seize thou the Cup of Life with the hands of confidence. First drink thou therefrom, and proffer it then to such as turn towards it amongst the peoples of all faiths”. Baha’u’llah, Summons of the Lord of Hosts, 105, p. 56

Thus it is now Service to humanity in the Love and Knowledge of Jesus the Christ that has replaced the Material aspect of this teaching.

Regards Tony
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Are Catholics or Christians in error?
 
TonyBS said:
This is not official an Baha’i view, but from my own understanding. The message was given and again rejected, thus the full potential was not reached. Many of Baha’u’llahs writings have been Lost, tampered with or thrown into the Tigress River. So much has been lost because of our waywardness.

What is now available is what is required for Mankind to reach its next level of Maturity. Thus we have the keys to understand the Bible and other Holy Books and we now have to use those keys to come to a mutual understanding of the books of the past.

Some Keys

Clouds - Anything that obscures us from seeing the full potential of the Sun.

This is a link to an explanation of this subject - bahai-library.com/poirier_iqan_unsealing_bible

This link to other methods of decoding - bahaiteachings.org/decoding-prophetic-code-one-bahai-example

Regards Tony

God Bless and Regards Tony
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Ok, so the information about Baha’u’llahs miracles and the information that was in the sealed books was thrown in a river.
 
JimmyDFG said:
Are other religions somewhat in error?
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The error is not the Word, it is how we have interpreted it.

The fault has been places upon the Shoulders of the Divines and those in power. This is noted in the Book of Certitude.

So it is a Yes.

Regards Tony
 
JimmyDFG said:
I apologize for interrupting and off topic …

worldcitizen, Can you explain on the above statement please.
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The Books Sealed until the time of the End

DAN12.4 **But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: **many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

DAN12.8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? DAN12.9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Neither the Learned nor the unlearned can read/understand the Book

ISA29.11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed: ISA29.12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.

The Lamb that was SLAIN and the Lion of Judah can unseal the Books

And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. REV5.5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

REV5.6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, **and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, **having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

REV5.9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

The Ram mentioned here that was slain is not the same Lamb mentioned in the NT that was crucified. We all know Christ was specifically crucified yet nowhere does it say this Ram Arnian had been crucified. It was slain but not crucified. Major difference as only Christ the Lamb was crucified and only the Bab, the Ram was slain.

In the New Testament Jesus is referred to as the Paschal Lamb, but in the Apocalypse only we have the Arnion lamb or Ram. It is not the same Lamb as throughout the NT. In both Mounce’s and Vine’s dictionaries Arnion is distinctly only in the Apocalypse.

The Lamb of the Gospels (Paschal) and the Ram (Arnion) are two different entities or Persons. One was slain, the other crucified but the Arnion mentioned in the Apocalypse is not the crucified Paschal (Jesus) of the NT.

Lamb that was Crucified Matthew 27:35 Mark 15:24 Luke 23:33 John 19:23 - Jesus
Ram that was slain only twice in entire Bible in Revelation Rev 5:6 Rev 13:8 - The Bab

Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David.

Christ found existance through the Holy Spirit and called Himself the Son of God. So this did not refer to Him

Baha’u’llah however, was a descendant of Jesse, the Father of David and so these verses apply word for word to Him alone. Both the Bab and Baha’u’llah were also descendants of Abraham.

"Think not that We have revealed unto you a mere code of laws. Nay, rather, We have unsealed the choice Wine with the fingers of might and power. To this beareth witness that which the Pen of Revelation hath revealed. Meditate upon this, O men of insight!…

The ‘seven spirits’ indicate 7 previous Manifestations of God - Krishna, Abraham, Moses, Buddha, Zoroaster, Christ and Muhammad

The Book of Certitude is the Book that ‘broke the seals of Daniel’ and Revelation and both the Bab and Baha’u’llah are worthy to unseal the meanings of all scriptures. You should read it.
 
worldcitizen said:
JimmyDFG;13742030:
I apologize for interrupting and off topic …

worldcitizen, Can you explain on the above statement please.
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The Books Sealed until the time of the End
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DAN12.4 **But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: **many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

DAN12.8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? DAN12.9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Neither the Learned nor the unlearned can read/understand the Book

ISA29.11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed: ISA29.12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.

The Lamb that was SLAIN and the Lion of Judah can unseal the Books

And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. REV5.5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

REV5.6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, **and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, **having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

REV5.9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

The Ram mentioned here that was slain is not the same Lamb mentioned in the NT that was crucified. We all know Christ was specifically crucified yet nowhere does it say this Ram Arnian had been crucified. It was slain but not crucified. Major difference as only Christ the Lamb was crucified and only the Bab, the Ram was slain.

In the New Testament Jesus is referred to as the Paschal Lamb, but in the Apocalypse only we have the Arnion lamb or Ram. It is not the same Lamb as throughout the NT. In both Mounce’s and Vine’s dictionaries Arnion is distinctly only in the Apocalypse.

The Lamb of the Gospels (Paschal) and the Ram (Arnion) are two different entities or Persons. One was slain, the other crucified but the Arnion mentioned in the Apocalypse is not the crucified Paschal (Jesus) of the NT.

Lamb that was Crucified Matthew 27:35 Mark 15:24 Luke 23:33 John 19:23 - Jesus
Ram that was slain only twice in entire Bible in Revelation Rev 5:6 Rev 13:8 - The Bab

Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David.

Christ found existance through the Holy Spirit and called Himself the Son of God. So this did not refer to Him

Baha’u’llah however, was a descendant of Jesse, the Father of David and so these verses apply word for word to Him alone. Both the Bab and Baha’u’llah were also descendants of Abraham.

"Think not that We have revealed unto you a mere code of laws. Nay, rather, We have unsealed the choice Wine with the fingers of might and power. To this beareth witness that which the Pen of Revelation hath revealed. Meditate upon this, O men of insight!…

The ‘seven spirits’ indicate 7 previous Manifestations of God - Krishna, Abraham, Moses, Buddha, Zoroaster, Christ and Muhammad

Do you have the information that was in the sealed books…yes or no ?
 
JimmyDFG said:
Are Catholics or Christians in error?
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Not within their current Frame of Reference, but the chance to accept the new Covernant has been given. We have a lifetime to decide how what we currently believe has a wider meaning.

Regards Tony
 
Techno2000 said:
worldcitizen;13742947:
Do you have the information that was in the sealed books…yes or no ?
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The Books that were sealed were the mysteries of the Bible and Quran and all other heavenly Books.

The Book of Certitude by Baha’u’llah is the Book that ‘broke the seals of Daniel’ and Revelation and it is available for all humanity.

“Revealed on the eve of the declaration of His Mission, it proffered to mankind the “Choice Sealed Wine,” whose seal is of “musk,” and broke the “seals” of the “Book” referred to by Daniel, and disclosed the meaning of the “words” destined to remain “closed up” till the "time of the end.”

Excerpt From: Effendi, Shoghi. “God Passes By.” Bahá’í eBooks

It’s my favourite book in all my life as it makes the Bible and Quran part of my being and causes brilliant spiritual light to shine inside me.

Did someone give you a link as it can be downloaded?
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worldcitizen said:
Techno2000;13742956:
The Books that were sealed were the mysteries of the Bible and Quran and all other heavenly Books.

The Book of Certitude by Baha’u’llah is the Book that ‘broke the seals of Daniel’ and Revelation and it is available for all humanity.

“Revealed on the eve of the declaration of His Mission, it proffered to mankind the “Choice Sealed Wine,” whose seal is of “musk,” and broke the “seals” of the “Book” referred to by Daniel, and disclosed the meaning of the “words” destined to remain “closed up” till the "time of the end.”

Excerpt From: Effendi, Shoghi. “God Passes By.” Bahá’í eBooks

It’s my favourite book in all my life as it makes the Bible and Quran part of my being and causes brilliant spiritual light to shine inside me.

Did someone give you a link as it can be downloaded?
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He broke the seal and what did it say ? 🤷
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Servant19 said:
Firstly you can’t be eating popcorn for it, and secondly you go to the Source if you sincerely want it. If you want to pick holes, then you are not sincere.

If you struggle with the language and terminologies, here is a study guide.

bahai-library.com/holley_kitab_iqan_study

See you in a month?

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I figured that… a thousand pages that will end up me telling nothing,can you all just get to the point.🤷
 
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