Comparative Religion and General Faith Discussion

[TonyBS]

Well at least you grasp that part of Catholicism, unlike our Protestant brothers and sisters who want to fight us tooth and nail over the meaning of Good works.

**So also, faith by itself if it has not works, is dead.

James 2:17**

Amen to that!

Regards Tony

 

[MartinJordan]

Dear Martin - I deal with the Words of Jesus the Christ every day of my life.

That you have another opinion is for you to sort out, as I have my own issues to sort out in my journey to Love Christ and all of Gods Prophets, Messengers, Chosen Ones and to follow the example of all the Saints that have been to date.

God bless you always - regards Tony

Actually this is your own opinion. Jesus asks “Do you love me?”

MJ

 

[TonyBS]

You’ve not even dealt with Jesus own words. You claim you love him, so what is your definition of loving him then?

MJ

As you changed your post and asked another question, I will answer it.

To Serve Him with all my Heart and Soul and obey His laws. To do this one must serve the entire human race and do unto them all as you would have them do unto yourself.

This Love can not be adequately expressed in words. It can only be expressed in total humble servitude to which we must all try to understand what this is and where it is found.

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[MartinJordan]

As you changed your post and asked another question, I will answer it.

To Serve Him with all my Heart and Soul and obey His laws. To do this one must serve the entire human race and do unto them all as you would have them do unto yourself.

This Love can not be adequately expressed in words. It can only be expressed in total humble servitude to which we must all try to understand what this is and where it is found.

God Bless and Regards Tony

He never asked you to serve him! So strange.

“I came to serve not to be served,” Remember?

MJ

 

[TonyBS]

Actually this is your own opinion. Jesus asks “Do you love me?” MJ

I know who can answer this

Regards Tony

 

[MartinJordan]

I know who can answer this

Regards Tony

See post 1018.

MJ

 

[TonyBS]

He never asked you to serve him! So strange.

“I came to serve not to be served,” Remember?

MJ

One does not required to be asked to give, one gives unasked.

John 12:26"If anyone serves Me, he must follow Me; and where I am, there My servant will be also; if anyone serves Me, the Father will honor him.

Revelation 22:3"There will no longer be any curse; and the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and His bond-servants will serve Him".

Regards Tony

 

[Servant19]

I don’t know what Robe of Revelation,stained with dust, and removed from the crystal waters of this living Fountain means.But do know that a Christian fast is just bread and water only… for a 24 hour period .

Why do you fast Joey?

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[MartinJordan]

One does not required to be asked to give, one gives unasked.

John 12:26"If anyone serves Me, he must follow Me; and where I am, there My servant will be also; if anyone serves Me, the Father will honor him.

Revelation 22:3"There will no longer be any curse; and the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and His bond-servants will serve Him".

Regards Tony

Wrong. Jesus does everything that the Father sent him to do. He came to serve (as the Son of Man) to give his life as a ransom. But when he talking in John 12 , it is about his Glorification as Son of God.

Here it is:

And Jesus answered them, “The hour has come for the **Son of man to be glorified. **24 Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit. 25 He who loves his life loses it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. 26 If any one serves me, he must follow me; and where I am, there shall my servant be also; if any one serves me, the Father will honor him.

Revelation is in Heaven so the Lamb is the Son of God who sits on the Throne.

MJ

 

[MartinJordan]

I forgot to add that while on earth Jesus came to serve and gave his life so that we also then do same one serves like he did, being merciful like him, even dying so that we can join him in Heaven with him who is the Son of God.

MJ

 

[Servant19]

In another thread, this came up which was off topic, but I will post here:

Only in the Bahai paradigm there is such thing as manifestion of God. Creating a straw man by saying Jesus does not share in the Essence is quite ignorant.

MJ

1 Timothy 3:16 And without doubt great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Not necessarily Martin.

Right, Jesus has a Divine Nature…but does not share in the essence of God… is impossible.

Techno, consider the sun and its nature. It has essential attributes which to this day we are unsure of. Yet we do know that it has heat and light which are it’s active attributes.

Jesus is the heat and light without which nothing is seen in Creation, without which all things die. The sun has attributes which are essentially unknown, yet the non-essential attributes are actively seen in its rays, in the form of light and heat.

Divinity is the whole sun. Jesus shares in it, but is not “it”

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[TonyBS]

Wrong. Jesus does everything that the Father sent him to do. He came to serve (as the Son of Man) to give his life as a ransom. But when he talking in John 12 , it is about his Glorification as Son of God.

Here it is:

And Jesus answered them, “The hour has come for the **Son of man to be glorified. **24 Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit. 25 He who loves his life loses it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. 26 If any one serves me, he must follow me; and where I am, there shall my servant be also; if any one serves me, the Father will honor him.

Revelation is in Heaven so the Lamb is the Son of God who sits on the Throne.

MJ

I am very happy for my insignificant service to be an offer for my Love of Christ

The passage quoted above says we are to give all self to Jesus the Christ in service, this is what I full of flaws, will always try to do. This is how I choose to give Him His Glory.

Regards Tony

 

[MartinJordan]

I am very happy for my insignificant service to be an offer for my Love of Christ

The passage quoted above says we are to give all self to Jesus the Christ in service, this is what I full of flaws, will always try to do. This is how I choose to give Him His Glory.

Regards Tony

No. The passage means like Jesus who is Mercy, we must be merciful, Jesus gave his life. we too must give our life like him if that is asked of us and we can be in Heaven reigning with he is who is the Son of God administering to Him.

Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they too may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus, with eternal glory.

2 Tim 2 : 10 Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they too may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus, with eternal glory.

11 Here is a trustworthy saying: If we died with him, we will also live with him;12 if we endure, we will also reign with him.

MJ

 

[TonyBS]

No. The passage means like Jesus who is Mercy, we must be merciful, Jesus gave his life. we too must give our life like him if that is asked of us and we can be in Heaven where he is who is the Son of God administering to Him.

MJ

If that is what YOU get from that passage dear Martin that is good

You are just saying what I am saying…as…

Tell me how you give you life these days if it is not giving all your self to service for the Love of Christ. This is the only Martyrdom now available.

Self is a bigger than we all give credit to! Self dominates us all. to die in self is to Live in Christ.

Regards Tony

 

[MartinJordan]

If that is what YOU get from that passage dear Martin that is good

You are just saying what I am saying…as…

Tell me how you give you life these days if it is not giving all your self to service for the Love of Christ. This is the only Martyrdom now available.

Self is a bigger than we all give credit to! Self dominates us all. to die in self is to Live in Christ.

Regards Tony

It’s not what I get from the passage. As if these are merely words compiled. It is the life of the Church that is put into words for the Church.

Look again at what I’ve added direct from Scripture that the Church put together.

We don’t have to actually die (in such horrific circumstances) but believe in Him the one who was sent from the Father, following his commandments, living in the life of the Church putting into writing for our benefit (and the flock that Jesus continues to call if only they hear him, for example myself from the Hindu heritage is in the Church ).

If you been to the Mass, you may figure this out. I can’t tell you how much you need to understand the Mass.

MJ

 

[Servant19]

No. The passage means like Jesus who is Mercy, we must be merciful, Jesus gave his life. we too must give our life like him if that is asked of us and we can be in Heaven reigning with he is who is the Son of God administering to Him.

Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they too may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus, with eternal glory.

2 Tim 2 : 10 Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they too may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus, with eternal glory.

11 Here is a trustworthy saying: If we died with him, we will also live with him;12 if we endure, we will also reign with him.

MJ

I like that Martin. We have a similar reality in a tablet called the Fire Tablet revealed by Baha’u’llah:

O Supreme Pen, We have heard Thy most sweet call in the eternal realm: Give Thou ear unto what the Tongue of Grandeur uttereth, O Wronged One of the worlds!
Were it not for the cold, how would the heat of Thy words prevail, O Expounder of the worlds?
Were it not for calamity, how would the sun of Thy patience shine, O Light of the worlds?
Lament not because of the wicked. Thou wert created to bear and endure, O Patience of the worlds.
How sweet was Thy dawning on the horizon of the Covenant among the stirrers of sedition, and Thy yearning after God, O Love of the worlds.
By Thee the banner of independence was planted on the highest peaks, and the sea of bounty surged, O Rapture of the worlds.
By Thine aloneness the Sun of Oneness shone, and by Thy banishment the land of Unity was adorned. Be patient, O Thou Exile of the worlds.
We have made abasement the garment of glory, and affliction the adornment of Thy temple, O Pride of the worlds.
Thou seest the hearts are filled with hate, and to overlook is Thine, O Thou Concealer of the sins of the worlds.
When the swords flash, go forward! When the shafts fly, press onward! O Thou Sacrifice of the worlds.
Dost Thou wail, or shall I wail?

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[MartinJordan]

I like that Martin. We have a similar reality in a tablet called the Fire Tablet revealed by Baha’u’llah:

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Servant, you will have to live the life of the Church rather than looking at outside the Church and try to convince anyone there is a similarity, unless you are in the Church you probably can’t see it. I’m glad you like it, but that’s not it’s not whether one likes something but seeing it from the Church’s experiences, putting it together.

MJ

 

[Servant19]

Servant, you will have to live the life of the Church rather than looking at outside the Church and try to convince anyone there is a similarity, unless you are in the Church you probably can’t see it. I’m glad you like it, but that’s not it’s not whether one likes something but seeing it from the Church’s experiences, putting it together.

MJ

My Church was born direct from the Father, Martin.

I like what you posted because I see you are finding Truths within the Word of God which puts you in righteousness with Him, enables you to partake of His life-giving ocean of grace.

Outside of that Church, I am found confounded and confused as to which Church to belong to. There’s too much conflict throughout history for me to feel at home anywhere else Martin.

God bless you.

Please seek to understand

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[MartinJordan]

My Church was born direct from the Father, Martin.

I like what you posted because I see you are finding Truths within the Word of God which puts you in righteousness with Him, enables you to partake of His life-giving ocean of grace.

Outside of that Church, I am found confounded and confused as to which Church to belong to. There’s too much conflict throughout history for me to feel at home anywhere else Martin.

God bless you.

Please seek to understand

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Just because there is confusion it doesn’t mean the Truth doesn’t exist. Like when Judas betrayed Jesus. The Church grew and grew. Not because one man despite Jesus choosing him after praying to the Father gave him 12 Apostles, one chose to be lost.

Jesus knew who would betray him and who would believe in him.

Plus…this is very important. It was you who said Bahaism is the fulfillment of Catholicism. So how can you say which Church?

MJ

 

[worldcitizen]

Hi everyone,

Just started a new thread. ‘Fundamentalism and the search for God’

I’m asking why people have rejected religion and now don’t see it as an important part of their daily lives anymore?

Has the age of science and reason made us question many of the traditional concepts of religion and found them irrational and of no use in our daily lives anymore?

Fundamentalists are alarmed by materialism, consumerism and capitalism and want the material order replaced with a spiritual one and intend on forcing it upon us by Jihad.

How do we bring the masses back to God? They show no interest in going back to previous concepts of God. So what are they searching for - the real God??

Is the real God what we have understood for centuries?