Comparative Religion and General Faith Discussion

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Servant19 said:
Dear Martin,

It is not in the Baha’i paradigm alone. These Truths are found in early early Catholicism through St.Paul in its embryonic understanding. Baha’u’llah has fulfilled this understanding and Truth through His Revelation:

This is progressive revelation. In this sentence, even the concept of the End Times is clarified.

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It is only in Bahai paradigm which is insulated within it’s own definition. The Church defines it clearly no more Revelations. Jesus is the head. The Church the body. Jesus fulfills Salvation History. Salvation is from the Jews. Jesus own words. Jesus born a Jew and belonging to the Covenant, announced the New Covenant in His Blood. Salvation hangs on him and became Glorified. The Lamb of God that was slain. Holy Holy Holy Lord with the Father and Holy Spirit.

MJ
 
MartinJordan said:
It is only in Bahai paradigm which is insulated within it’s own definition. The Church defines it clearly no more Revelations. Jesus is the head. The Church the body. Jesus fulfills Salvation History. Salvation is from the Jews. Jesus own words. Jesus born a Jew and belonging to the Covenant, announced the New Covenant in His Blood. Salvation hangs on him and became Glorified. The Lamb of God that was slain. Holy Holy Holy Lord with the Father and Holy Spirit.

MJ
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And this is where Jesus comes in to fulfill Apostolic Succession in Judaism and Baha’u’llah comes in to fulfill Apostolic Succession in Christianity.

Repeat repeat repeat.

It’s like a tragic play where the same story is repeated again and again. The characters are exactly the same, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It’s just the actors are always different.

Not only does Jesus return, but so did His forerunner, and so did the saints and so did the martyrs…

…and so did the Pharisees…

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worldcitizen said:
So no one’s humble? Then no ones saved!! So Tony, Kam, Joey, Martin, surely you’re humble. Or at least saved!!

What meaneth Joey by this parable of red stones and blue seas?

What would happen if we dressed Joey in red and threw him into a blue sea?
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Hi David,

You hear crickets because regardless of - if anyone recognizes the virtue you inquire about within themselves or not -

Virtue is not something for us to recognize in ourselves, doing so is the seed of pride. Very dangerous.

If our focus is internal, we might find ourselves alone forever.

Does anyone think that God ever sits back and says ‘I am so loving, just full of it!’.

Of course not.

We need to keep our heads down and keep doing as has been revealed and instructed.

We don’t want to assume anything about ourselves with regard to virtue, lest we be caught ‘unknown’ by God.

Take care,

Mike
 
ffg said:
Hi David,

You hear crickets because regardless of - if anyone recognizes the virtue you inquire about within themselves or not -

Virtue is not something for us to recognize in ourselves, doing so is the seed of pride. Very dangerous.

If our focus is internal, we might find ourselves alone forever.

Does anyone think that God ever sits back and says ‘I am so loving, just full of it!’.

Of course not.

We need to keep our heads down and keep doing as has been revealed and instructed.

We don’t want to assume anything, especially about ourselves, lest we be caught ‘unknown’ by God.

Take care,

Mike
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Dearest Mike,

With all loving due respect, I think you will find David will not disagree with a word you utter here. I sense you misunderstand the humility that David is referring to 🙂

I’m sure he will explain dear brother 🙂

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Servant19 said:
And this is where Jesus comes in to fulfill Apostolic Succession in Judaism and Baha’u’llah comes in to fulfill Apostolic Succession in Christianity.

Repeat repeat repeat.

It’s like a tragic play where the same story is repeated again and again. The characters are exactly the same, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It’s just the actors are always different.

Not only does Jesus return, but so did His forerunner, and so did the saints and so did the martyrs…

…and so did the Pharisees…

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Doesn’t this point in the direction that someone will fulfill Bahai into another faith?
 
Servant19 said:
Dearest Mike,

With all loving due respect, I think you will find David will not disagree with a word you utter here. I sense you misunderstand the humility that David is referring to 🙂

I’m sure he will explain dear brother 🙂

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Certainly, I have no doubt there will be an explanation.

And I suspect you are right, there will be a different definition applied.

Oh the suspense!

Take care,

Mike
 
ffg said:
Doesn’t this point in the direction that someone will fulfill Bahai into another faith?
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Absolutely.

Why would God stop talking to us Mike?

He has always done it throughout history to our ancestors. Why would He stop now?
He is an All-Giving, All-Loving Lord.

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ffg said:
Hi David,

You hear crickets because regardless of - if anyone recognizes the virtue you inquire about within themselves or not -

Virtue is not something for us to recognize in ourselves, doing so is the seed of pride. Very dangerous.

If our focus is internal, we might find ourselves alone forever.

Does anyone think that God ever sits back and says ‘I am so loving, just full of it!’.

Of course not.

We need to keep our heads down and keep doing as has been revealed and instructed.

We don’t want to assume anything about ourselves with regard to virtue, lest we be caught ‘unknown’ by God.

Take care,

Mike
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Dear Mike,

Was just having some fun. As it turns out I’m the one now that has to eat humble pie!!
 
Servant19 said:
Absolutely.

Why would God stop talking to us Mike?

He has always done it throughout history to our ancestors. Why would He stop now?
He is an All-Giving, All-Loving Lord.

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Interesting.

How do you know the next faith was Bahai, and the next one after is not already here and you just missed it? (an earlier question which seems to work here as well)

It’s hopefully obvious by now that I think Jesus was being truthful when stating that He is the Way, Truth, and Life.

Take care,

Mike
 
God has never stopped talking to us.

in fact, God, through Jesus Christ, the Incarnation of the Second Person of the Holy Trinity specifically ensured that the Spirit of God would indwell in His Church so that we would have God’s will made known through out these “Last Days”.

these Last Days could last many more generations and many more centuries into the future. they have obviously lasted the last two milleniums.
 
eddie_too said:
God has never stopped talking to us.

in fact, God, through Jesus Christ, the Incarnation of the Second Person of the Holy Trinity specifically ensured that the Spirit of God would indwell in His Church so that we would have God’s will made known through out these “Last Days”.

these Last Days could last many more generations and many more centuries into the future. they have obviously lasted the last two milleniums.
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Which God is speaking about the filioque eddie?

I think the filioque debate is proof that it is not God teaching in the Church, but man.

Is it “Gods Will” in two Millenia of teaching to teach opposing teachings?

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ffg said:
Interesting.

How do you know the next faith was Bahai, and the next one after is not already here and you just missed it? (an earlier question which seems to work here as well)

It’s hopefully obvious by now that I think Jesus was being truthful when stating that He is the Way, Truth, and Life.

Take care,

Mike
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Each Manifestation of God has always given some signs to distinguish the coming of the next Manifestation. In previous Dispensations these signs were given in symbolic language.

Today, as dictated by the Bible, the Father has spoken in clear language and has clearly outlined that after Baha’u’llah another Manifestation of God will not appear on earth until the expiration of a full 1000 years.

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Servant19 said:
And this is where Jesus comes in to fulfill Apostolic Succession in Judaism and Baha’u’llah comes in to fulfill Apostolic Succession in Christianity.

Repeat repeat repeat.

It’s like a tragic play where the same story is repeated again and again. The characters are exactly the same, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It’s just the actors are always different.

Not only does Jesus return, but so did His forerunner, and so did the saints and so did the martyrs…

…and so did the Pharisees…

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Remaining in Jesus’ love seems foreign according to the above it seems. No understanding of fulfillment. :sad_yes:

Thank God however The Church joy in Christ is a complete one. Fulfilled. Amen. 😃

MJ
 
As if it was necessary, but in any case might as well put this there:
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Manifestation of God
The Manifestation of God is a concept in the Bahá’í Faith that refers to what are commonly called prophets. The Manifestations of God are a series of personages who reflect the attributes of the divine into the human world for the progress and advancement of human morals and civilization.[1] In the Baha’i Faith, it is believed that the Manifestations of God are the only channel for humanity to know about God, and that they act as perfect mirrors reflecting the attributes of God into the physical world.[2] Bahá’í teachings hold that the motive force in all human development is due to the coming of the Manifestations of God.[3] The Manifestations of God are directly linked with the Bahá’í concept of progressive revelation.

From wiki.

It’s clear. This what I meant insulated within the Bahai paradigm. 19th century creation.

MJ
 
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