Comparing 2018 and 1918...Are we happier?

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Spiritually we were certainly better off 100 years ago. The so-called “progress” that was made over the past century has brought extreme levels of comfort, convenience, and access to information, but comfort, convenience, and endless information do not aid spirituality – they impede it, by making man weak and distracted.
Yeah, I’m sure that working physical labor 15 hours a day and not being able to find prayers, devotions, prayer groups, Mass schedules, Catholic Answers discussions, etc. online would have made me so much more spiritual. Not. It just would have made me more tired and less informed.

Maybe some people who use the Internet for porn would be better off without technology.
Would be a big fat negative for me.
 
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Spiritually we were certainly better off 100 years ago. The so-called “progress” that was made over the past century has brought extreme levels of comfort, convenience, and access to information, but comfort, convenience, and endless information do not aid spirituality – they impede it, by making man weak and distracted.
One thing I might point out is that access to information also means access to information about faith - and much of the progress makes it a lot easier to make those choices.

When I wanted to learn about Catholicism, I could get on the internet and do my own research. With cars and buses I could get myself to them; with a private phone I could call them on my own. I didn’t have to think about what to do if the church wasn’t nearby.

When I converted, while family issues were difficult, I had no serious fear for my livelihood. I didn’t need to fear that if I lost my father’s support I might not be able to care for myself, or being pushed into a marriage with a protestant man. Nor if I did support myself did I need to worry about what it would do to my reputation.

2018 means it’s a whole lot easier for people like me to make our own choices.
 
I’m thinking of my gran who grew up in a 3-farm village in the high mountains. They had 4 miles in a rowboat across the lake to church. Or to the next village even. They were waybound 4-5 months/year, meaning no doctors, teachers, police, firebrigade, mail/phone, and no formal church then. No electricity, no plumbing. Otoh she had 11 brothers and sisters …

I think it’s easy to dream of the spirituality of earlier times, but it’s very easy to overlook the hardship, the daily grind.
 
I’m sure that working physical labor 15 hours a day…
People worked less hours per day (on average) 100 years ago than they do now. There was no massive “consumer goods” market for which the products had to be produced, and there was no massive “service industry” for which millions had to spend 40+ hours a week in the office. Go back farther in time and people worked even less. Small-scale agriculture is hard work for about 3-4 months a year. It’s leaves you mostly free for the other 8-9 months.
not being able to find prayers, devotions, prayer groups, Mass schedules, Catholic Answers discussions, etc.
Why would it have been hard to find them 100 years ago? They were available in churches, as they still are. Sure, you couldn’t find as many prayers in your local church as you can online now, but is more (in the sense of more different options) better where it comes to prayer, or devotions, etc.?
 
access to information also means access to information about faith - and much of the progress makes it a lot easier to make those choices.
That’s true, and I won’t deny that I have made great use of this easy access to information about religion myself. But at the same time I realize that the state of confusion I was in (while feeling self-confident), was the result of having grown up in the modern environment to begin with (including overwhelming information and endless options to choose from). So as I see it, the ubiquitous availability of information is mostly bad, but the problem does offer its own solution.
 
People worked less hours per day (on average) 100 years ago than they do now. There was no massive “consumer goods” market for which the products had to be produced, and there was no massive “service industry” for which millions had to spend 40+ hours a week in the office. Go back farther in time and people worked even less. Small-scale agriculture is hard work for about 3-4 months a year. It’s leaves you mostly free for the other 8-9 months.
100 years ago, my ancestors in USA (they were all in USA at that point) were not working “small scale agriculture”. They were working construction, driving trains, working in factories. And they most certainly were not able to sit around for 8 or 9 months of the year. They were working loooooooooooong hours year round.

My grandparents were young married people 100 years ago so I know this first hand from them or second hand from their kids.
 
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I mean, the thing is without the access to information, you leave a lot of us…without information. Remember we’re well past the protestant reformation at this point - so that means those of us from protestant families don’t get to have information about Catholicism at all.

And of course there’s still my second point - as a convert in 1918 losing my father’s support would have been disastrous to me. Decent women simply did not court men their fathers disapproved of, or go out and live on their own. It would have been very likely that I would simply have been commanded to attend church with my parents until I married a man they approved of, and if I didn’t do so there would be almost no respectable options available to me.
 
2018 is definitely better, especially for women. We have gained so many rights during the past 100 years that we now have almost equal rights with men! We can vote, we can study and work, we can make decisions about our own money and we are not considered as property of our husbands (or fathers).
There’s still a lots of work to do though.
 
People worked less hours per day (on average) 100 years ago than they do now. There was no massive “consumer goods” market for which the products had to be produced, and there was no massive “service industry” for which millions had to spend 40+ hours a week in the office. Go back farther in time and people worked even less. Small-scale agriculture is hard work for about 3-4 months a year. It’s leaves you mostly free for the other 8-9 months.
This is interesting. It’s a few years off, but not by much. I doubt life changed dramatically in three years.


From that article, it says that “The predominant occupation group was that of craftsmen, laborers, and operatives, and professional and technical workers—today’s largest group—made up less than 5 percent of all workers. In terms of the industries of workers, 1 of every 3 nonfarm jobs in 1910 was in manufacturing, compared with less than 1 in 10 currently.” According to the article, only 36 percent or so of people worked in “farm occupations”.

Most people by 1918 weren’t farming.
 
100 years ago, my ancestors in USA (they were all in USA at that point) were not working “small scale agriculture”.
Most people by 1918 weren’t farming.
I said “people on average” and by that I meant people the world over. You all comment by giving examples from the USA 100 years ago. Yes, the industrial revolution happened early in the USA, and it made life tough. But the population of the USA constitutes only 4% of the world population. (Yes, really. 300 million out of 7.6 billion. Do the math.)

I live in a country where half the population are still practicing small-scale agriculture. It really is highly seasonal work, with the off-seasons leisurely and comfortable.
 
Do you truly believe that people who farm (and I grew up in a very rural, very agriculturally based area in the US when my dad retired - I don’t think of myself as a city kid in the least) take eight, nine months off a year?

I have friends who would literally laugh out loud over that.

There was and is more to farming than crops. People also raised animals.

The Amish would also likely roll their eyes at the notion that farming is 100% seasonal.

WWI in Europe changed the face of that continent as well. Please don’t lecture us about how the US is so insignificant as that’s not what this thread is about. And we’re not stupid, either. We are aware of the size of our population.
 
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My maternal grandfather was born in 1907, paternal was born in 1904, and my paternal grandmother was born in 1906. (Maternal grandma was born in 1917.) I envy the innocence they had, but not the life itself.
My grandparents were born in the same era. I agree with the innocence they had, but the life they lived was not easy. One of my grandma’s siblings died in the influenza epidemic. :cry:
 
Yeah. Not sure where that came from. One of my grandfathers grew up on a sharecropper farm in Alabama: That work was year round.
 
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> Decent women simply did not court men their fathers disapproved of, or go out and live on their own.

It’s funny how ultra-American this site is. I just wrote that I live in a country where half the population are still practicing small-scale farming. It is also a country in which women still don’t court men their fathers disapprove of, and where women still don’t go out and live on their own. And you know what? It seems that our women are kinda happy that way
just out of curiousity, where are you from?
 
It’s funny how ultra-American this site is.
It’s an American based website populated by mostly Americans. What do you expect? When we search for stats (I searched for “occupations in 1918”) guess what comes up because the search engine is - OH MY - searching servers in the US?

it doesn’t take much stretch to think that in post-WW1 first world nations, the job landscape was changing significantly. But I’m happy to go stat diving if you like.
 
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just out of curiousity, where are you from?
@alice24, it may be that you ask in earnest, but there is far too much animosity on this site for me to discuss my background, roots, and life history here. Thanks.
 
Well, when we think about going back 100 years, we naturally think about where we are and where our ancestors were 100 years ago.
If you want to go back 100 years in your country, fine.
Don’t impose your culture and your thoughts about what life was like on ours though.
 
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it may be that you ask in earnest, but there is far too much animosity on this site for me to discuss my background, roots, and life history here. Thanks
Your comment about “ultra-American” wasn’t exactly friendly.
It is also a country in which women still don’t court men their fathers disapprove of, and where women still don’t go out and live on their own. And you know what? It seems that our women are kinda happy that way
Who said anything about this? Why even say that?

And we’re the unfriendly ones?
Added: By that I mean they are happy to live with their parents and extended family until marriage, and they are happy to involve their parents in choosing a spouse.
What on earth does that have to do with 1918?
 
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> just out of curiousity, where are you from?

@alice24, it may be that you ask in earnest, but there is far too much animosity on this site for me to discuss my background, roots, and life history here. Thanks.
I´m not on to fool around here, nor was I in any way uncharitable in this thread, as far as I can remember. My ancestors came from four different nations from persia to france, and I was just curious as no one of my female ancestors from asia to europe would have made it easy 100 years ago.
 
Your comment about “ultra-American” wasn’t exactly friendly.
Yes. Unfriendliness to a culture works both ways.

No one here is being harsh to your culture just because we disagreed that our ancestors 100 years ago did not have 9 months of the year to sit around thinking about spiritual things. I’m pretty sure USA was not the only place in the world where people didn’t have that kind of time on their hands.
 
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