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Pup7
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Isn’t that the truth.
Ah, mustard gas…
Ah, mustard gas…
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goout
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I do know something about history, which is why I am bringing the historical comparison up.goout:
If you know anything about history, you’d know that all of those issues were very much present in 1918. Some to a greater extent than today.
Confused…as to what your point is. Hardships in every age yes. We are asking about the current state of life in comparison. Let’s compare.
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Augustinian
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There are advantages to living in the current era, for sure. But spiritually I don’t think it makes a difference whether it 1918, AD or BC.
Around 1918 BC , we had cities like Sodom as well as Gomorrah, even though they didn’t have the internet or modern communication.
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TheAmazingGrace
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That’s exactly what you’re doing, but in the opposite direction.
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goout
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Ok.
How do you want to measure happiness?
Is death worse than hardship?
What’s the rate of suicide?
Murder?
Addiction?
It seems you want to measure happiness by availability of health care for women. Health care is a good thing. But it doesn’t address the comparison.
How do you want to measure happiness?
Is death worse than hardship?
What’s the rate of suicide?
Murder?
Addiction?
It seems you want to measure happiness by availability of health care for women. Health care is a good thing. But it doesn’t address the comparison.
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TheAmazingGrace
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Don’t even need to look that far back: just take a gander at any the “Christian” courts of Europe within the last millennium.
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MonteRCMS
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Nowadays women consume about 90% of Valium and Librium.
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TheAmazingGrace
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Putting words in my mouth. Also, you haven’t said how you measure happiness.
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Pup7
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Yes, let’s compare.
In many places spousal abuse and spousal rape - and please, no one tell me that didn’t and doesn’t go on - wasn’t illegal. Child labor laws were nonexistent and borderline abusive. In 1918 we’re not too many years out from the Triangle Shirtwaist disaster, and still labor conditions were slow to change. Mostly because we were seen as third class citizens by a great number of - well, men.
Drug addiction? You could buy cocaine and gorgeous glass syringes from the Sears and Roebuck catalog.
I wouldn’t say it is “unequaled” today. Narcs were LEGAL back then and readily available. You didn’t need a garage meth lab. And we barreled right into Prohibition in the US, which made some things even worse.
Suicide isn’t new - we just keep records on it now. Most of the time back then, as someone else said, you had an “accidental” death, because we didn’t know what depression was (and anyone suffering from it was often just shipped off to the asylum and forgotten about - and if you think mental health care is bad now, look up the history and Dorothea Dix).
Grace’s point is that nothing is new. We talk about it now, we try to treat it now (and we usually can treat it), we’ve got laws against a lot of it now. But all of these problems existed back then. I’d rather be a woman now than then. Thinking all of our “modern” problems are strictly modern isn’t accurate. I’ll take modern medicine and the rights I have now over what my great-aunts and grandmothers didn’t have in 1918 - any day of the week.
No, Grace isn’t confining the comparison to that in the least. But it’s not wrong to do so, either.
Look at the maternal and infant death rate in 1918 as compared to now. Childbed fever and death from diseases like polio and even malaria in some parts of the USA was still very real. Read about the Spanish flu epidemic and you’ll see how rudimentary our understanding of disease was: viruses had yet to be discovered and for a long time they thought the flu was from a bacteria.
Valium is so rarely prescribed these days it’s ridiculous, so I have no idea where you’re getting that stat from. Librium has been around for decades, and I doubt women hold the rights to that stat either. I’m about to go find out.
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Pup7
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Add to that they didn’t keep suicide stats back then and it gets harder…
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goout
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We have great advances in health care and rights for women.
And we have unprecedented suicide, addiction rates, pornographic objectification, massive demand for sexual slavery, and mass murder of women in the womb.
And somehow we would like to say we are a happier society for all our progress.
ok…
The fact is: we do not even know what happiness is in this age.
And we have unprecedented suicide, addiction rates, pornographic objectification, massive demand for sexual slavery, and mass murder of women in the womb.
And somehow we would like to say we are a happier society for all our progress.
ok…
The fact is: we do not even know what happiness is in this age.
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TheAmazingGrace
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Right. Not to mention that many suicides were probably passed off as “accidents” so that the family could avoid stigma and the departed could receive a proper burial
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alice24
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Well, I think I do.
I worked with stats from the early 1900s regarding child pornography and sex traffic. Really, it was as weird back then as today.
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TheAmazingGrace
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I don’t know that you can measure happiness. I’m primarily concerned with freedom and opportunity, which at least allows for the pursuit of happiness.
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Pup7
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How do you know that? Most people I meet, know, and work with are not wallowing in misery.
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Pup7
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In some ways it was almost worse.
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as weird as…goout:
Well, I think I do.
I worked with stats from the early 1900s regarding child pornography and sex traffic. Really, it was as weird back then as today.
How do you measure that? Sure there is always objectification going on.
Are you proposing that pornography was as rampant in 1918 as today? I’m sorry , that assertion just fails badly.
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Augustinian
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Valium is still the #4 benzodiazepine out there, although the whole class of drugs is in disfavor nowadays and not used as much as back in the day.
Librium isn’t very popular at all
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Pup7
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No, it doesn’t.
It’s just easier to distribute now. Seriously - have you ever read about this stuff? I have a casual and not academic lifelong interest in history - yeah, it was rampant back then. I think you have a bit of a romanticized view of that era.