Comparing and contrasting Catholicism and Tibetan Buddhism.

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Comparing and contrasting catholicism and tibetan buddhism. I’m not sure where to start, so… I’ll just go with what comes to mind.

Karma -
What we do comes back to us. Simple as that. Whether a “being” (God) gives it back, or if it’s a spiritual extension of newton’s laws… It exists in some way.

Salvation -
We have to work for it. Period.

Killing -
Under any circumstance is wrong. I disagree with the old testament wars and battles. I love every living being, realizing that they have feelings and perceptions of the world just like humans. I am not vegetarian, however.

Mind -
Buddhism is about working with the mind, and the intent behind actions causes the karma to follow. Outer appearance does not matter.

I am interested in Catholicism, but these put me off. I have “tried” Catholicism in the past, but it did not work out all that well for me.
 
Just a little background. When you say you “tried” Catholicism what does that mean? Were you raised Catholic or were you a convert or did you ever really join the Church?
I’ll try to address the topics you brought up.
Comparing and contrasting catholicism and tibetan buddhism. I’m not sure where to start, so… I’ll just go with what comes to mind.

Karma -
What we do comes back to us. Simple as that. Whether a “being” (God) gives it back, or if it’s a spiritual extension of newton’s laws… It exists in some way.
We don’t believe in karma, period. I understand the concept but it really doesn’t seem to play out in reality. The bad are not always punished. The good are not always rewarded (in this world). What Christ received for all the good He did was crucifiction. We believe in the grace of God to help us in this world. Many times we receive the grace to endure extreme hardship. This is not the same as karma.
Salvation -
We have to work for it. Period.
From what do you believe you are being saved? We believe that we are saved from our sins. We cannot save ourselves, no matter how much work we do. It is Christ Who saves us and He is the Son of God. Yes, we must have works as evidence of our faith, but they alone can do nothing.
Killing -
Under any circumstance is wrong. I disagree with the old testament wars and battles. I love every living being, realizing that they have feelings and perceptions of the world just like humans. I am not vegetarian, however.
We’re pretty much on the same page here, however we believe that we are allowed to use deadly force in defending and protecting our very lives. We believe that there is such a thing as “just war”, though most wars do not fall into this category. A good test of this would be as follows: If a man broke into your home with the intent to harm or kill your family, would you feel an obligation to defend them? Would you defend them?
Mind -
Buddhism is about working with the mind, and the intent behind actions causes the karma to follow. Outer appearance does not matter.
We would equate the mind or intellect with one’s soul, which, together with flesh and spirit make up a human being. We assent to belief in God through our intellect. With the intellect, the mind contains also our will which is to control the flesh. After the fall of Adam, our intellect was darkened and our will was weakened, leaving us slaves to our flesh which leans toward sinful behavior. It is why we need a Savior.

There are some very knowledgeable people on this forum (much more so than I) and I would encourage you to ask any and all questions you can. What is it about Catholicism that gave you problems? That is where I would start.
 
Karma -
What we do comes back to us. Simple as that. Whether a “being” (God) gives it back, or if it’s a spiritual extension of newton’s laws… It exists in some way.
We have a similar belief, you reap what you sow. It’s not exactly on the same level as karma, but it’s something to work with. Are you theistic?
Salvation -
We have to work for it. Period.
Christ saves us but it is our decision to accept his “inviation” to salvation. We have free will and may reject Christ, or accept him. We are to have faith and works, because faith without works is dead.
Killing -
Under any circumstance is wrong. I disagree with the old testament wars and battles. I love every living being, realizing that they have feelings and perceptions of the world just like humans. I am not vegetarian, however.
Catholics have a very high regard for life! Catholics are against abortion, euthenasia (sp?), capital punishment, and murder. We do believe in self defense however, if someone is trying to kill you, you have the right to defend yourself even if that means fighting to the death. Some wars need to be fought.
Mind -
Buddhism is about working with the mind, and the intent behind actions causes the karma to follow. Outer appearance does not matter.
SteveVH explains it better than I can.
I am interested in Catholicism, but these put me off. I have “tried” Catholicism in the past, but it did not work out all that well for me.
Were you baptised and confirmed in the Church? Why do you say it did not work for you? 🙂
 
Comparing and contrasting catholicism and tibetan buddhism. I’m not sure where to start, so… I’ll just go with what comes to mind.

Karma -
What we do comes back to us. Simple as that. Whether a “being” (God) gives it back, or if it’s a spiritual extension of newton’s laws… It exists in some way.

Salvation -
We have to work for it. Period.

Killing -
Under any circumstance is wrong. I disagree with the old testament wars and battles. I love every living being, realizing that they have feelings and perceptions of the world just like humans. I am not vegetarian, however.

Mind -
Buddhism is about working with the mind, and the intent behind actions causes the karma to follow. Outer appearance does not matter.

I am interested in Catholicism, but these put me off. I have “tried” Catholicism in the past, but it did not work out all that well for me.
Hi, there.

That’s a lot of queries, but let’s see if I can answer or clarify what you’ve noted as it related to the Catholic faith.

Karma: Catholicism believes that all spirits are made only once. The embodiment of the spirit of a human, the soul, is permanently defined as a human and is not part of a karmic cycle of life and death. In other words, a human soul has never been and will become another human, animal or other living thing. While we do believe that transgressions in our morality (sin) do result in aftereffects that must be dealt with before entry into the Beatific Vision (God’s presence) is possible, we do not believe in the earthly notion of “what goes around, comes around”. For these reasons, Catholics believe in the principle of resurrection (where the human soul and body are later reunited near the end of time), not reincarnation.

Salvation: Catholics believe neither “faith alone” or “works alone” are sufficient for salvation and favor by God. In fact, there is nothing as humans that we can do (whether going to church every day or spending every cent on the poor, for examples) that can “buy” God’s grace, the virtue He bestows to us as a gift, not a reward. It is up to us to follow Christ’s tenets of love and compassion, and to recognize our failings, to keep this state (grace) in our hearts at all times. Occasions of mortal sin, where the grace we hold in our hearts is destroyed, is refilled by the acknowledgment of our mistakes through the Sacrament of Reconciliation–confession of sins to a priest (who stands as a representative for Christ, per our Scripture). While upholding to the tenets of our faith is important, expressions of our faith, through charitable donations, volunteerism and the like, aid as well. So Catholic believe in both faith and works as representations that demonstrate our yearning, but do not earn, our desire of salvation.

Killing: God has his reasons for ordering wars in the Old Testament, for the people who He ordered the Israelites to kill were lawless people who turned away from Him. But that was in a time where ancient peoples and civilizations and practices were barbaric in comparison to New Testament times, where God came as a man, seeing that His people were ready now to understand peace. The 5th Commandment expressly forbids murder (as opposed to killing any living thing as needed for food). The Church maintains a “Just War” doctrine.

Mind: The mind is a mechanism of the spirit. But humans are one being with two parts that are unnaturally separated due to sin through the manner of death. The soul and the body of humans were meant as one being. Through the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ, the major effect of Original Sin–permanent death–is removed for those who follow in his practices and deeds. Catholics see matter or reality as neither transitory or false–we do not subscribe to the philosophy of duelism.

I help this clears up any misconceptions.
 
Just a little background. When you say you “tried” Catholicism what does that mean? Were you raised Catholic or were you a convert or did you ever really join the Church?
I went to a mass, did not receive eucharist, expresed interest in becoming Catholic, and got told to call tomorrow… Kind of weird, and put me off.
I’ll try to address the topics you brought up.

We don’t believe in karma, period. I understand the concept but it really doesn’t seem to play out in reality. The bad are not always punished. The good are not always rewarded (in this world). What Christ received for all the good He did was crucifiction. We believe in the grace of God to help us in this world. Many times we receive the grace to endure extreme hardship. This is not the same as karma.
** You have to take in the idea of rebirth - that is, that karma can play out in future lives, and also that past-life karma effects the present.**

From what do you believe you are being saved? We believe that we are saved from our sins. We cannot save ourselves, no matter how much work we do. It is Christ Who saves us and He is the Son of God. Yes, we must have works as evidence of our faith, but they alone can do nothing.
** Save in whatever term you think it is applicable.**

We’re pretty much on the same page here, however we believe that we are allowed to use deadly force in defending and protecting our very lives. We believe that there is such a thing as “just war”, though most wars do not fall into this category. A good test of this would be as follows: If a man broke into your home with the intent to harm or kill your family, would you feel an obligation to defend them? Would you defend them?
** Believing in future lives makes this part much easier to do - in fact, unless you are spiritually advanced, and can see the karma of others, you can commit negative acts of body and speech - but your mind must stay pure. Until then, it is best to abstain.**

We would equate the mind or intellect with one’s soul, which, together with flesh and spirit make up a human being. We assent to belief in God through our intellect. With the intellect, the mind contains also our will which is to control the flesh. After the fall of Adam, our intellect was darkened and our will was weakened, leaving us slaves to our flesh which leans toward sinful behavior. It is why we need a Savior.

There are some very knowledgeable people on this forum (much more so than I) and I would encourage you to ask any and all questions you can. What is it about Catholicism that gave you problems? That is where I would start.
Replies in bold.

Again, the issues, if you can believe it, is Jesus. Jesus for me gives me ideas of passive-ness in one’s spiritual goals - to unite back to God. He might be the way towards it, but just letting Jesus handle it isn’t enough. We should do our best, with Jesus’ help, if that’s the case.
 
We have a similar belief, you reap what you sow. It’s not exactly on the same level as karma, but it’s something to work with. Are you theistic?

If I was theistic, it would be in more of a Hindu sense - one being manifesting in many ways. Buddhism has the same idea, that’s close, called “Dharmakaya”. The original nature and cause for everything, that is identical with the mind of the Buddha, and at the root, by extension, of every being. Everyone can reach Buddhahood.

Christ saves us but it is our decision to accept his “inviation” to salvation. We have free will and may reject Christ, or accept him. We are to have faith and works, because faith without works is dead.
** This, I like.**

Catholics have a very high regard for life! Catholics are against abortion, euthenasia (sp?), capital punishment, and murder. We do believe in self defense however, if someone is trying to kill you, you have the right to defend yourself even if that means fighting to the death. Some wars need to be fought.
** I suppose, there is some case for that. Even Tibet was defended in the past…**

SteveVH explains it better than I can.

Were you baptised and confirmed in the Church? Why do you say it did not work for you? 🙂
** I was part of a crazy jesus-cult my father was part of… just google “Brother R. Stair”. You can see why i’m sort of reluctant. Maybe I just don’t know better. By the way, I really do “dig” the idea of the church’s traditions being more important(er… probably not the right word) than the bible. Namely because, when I was in said group, the bible by itself seemed a bit dry. Anywho…**
Replies, in bold.

By the way, what is the church’s stance on consensual ephebo/hebepphilia? (Ie. 16 in Europe, etc).
 
Comparing and contrasting catholicism and tibetan buddhism. I’m not sure where to start, so… I’ll just go with what comes to mind.

Karma -
What we do comes back to us. Simple as that. Whether a “being” (God) gives it back, or if it’s a spiritual extension of newton’s laws… It exists in some way.

Salvation -
We have to work for it. Period.

Killing -
Under any circumstance is wrong. I disagree with the old testament wars and battles. I love every living being, realizing that they have feelings and perceptions of the world just like humans. I am not vegetarian, however.

Mind -
Buddhism is about working with the mind, and the intent behind actions causes the karma to follow. Outer appearance does not matter.

I am interested in Catholicism, but these put me off. I have “tried” Catholicism in the past, but it did not work out all that well for me.
SherabO -

I wish you all the best on your journey.

I feel the other posters have answered your questions very well, but I would like to make a suggestion. I recommend reading books about the life of St. Francis of Assisi. One that I have really enjoyed is the Reluctant Saint by Donald Spoto.
St. Francis really embodied many of the traits that you have. He was a humanitarian, environmentalist and a peace maker. Certainly, as a poor, sickly man dressed in a simple robe, he did not worry about outer appearances.
He was also “put off” by people in the Catholic Church and worked for reform.

Keep asking questions - the answers will come.🙂
 
SherabO -

I wish you all the best on your journey.

I feel the other posters have answered your questions very well, but I would like to make a suggestion. I recommend reading books about the life of St. Francis of Assisi. One that I have really enjoyed is the Reluctant Saint by Donald Spoto.
St. Francis really embodied many of the traits that you have. He was a humanitarian, environmentalist and a peace maker. Certainly, as a poor, sickly man dressed in a simple robe, he did not worry about outer appearances.
He was also “put off” by people in the Catholic Church and worked for reform.

Keep asking questions - the answers will come.🙂
Thank you for the suggestion 🙂
 
I commend you on your quest towards finding the religion that is right for you. My advice: Don’t join a religion out of fear of the afterlife or some feeling of obligation. Do it for the love of the religion.
 
With my failing math grades, i wonder what is my calling in life?
Can Christ help me find it?
 
I hope that you are able to find what is right for you. I commend you on your spiritual inquiry. My only advice is that you should not join something simply out of fear of the after life or fear of some sort of judgment. Join a religion that fits you and fills you spiritually. Find a religion that makes you happy in spirituality.
 
I hope that you are able to find what is right for you. I commend you on your spiritual inquiry. My only advice is that you should not join something simply out of fear of the after life or fear of some sort of judgment. Join a religion that fits you and fills you spiritually. Find a religion that makes you happy in spirituality.
Thank you.

I still am very much Buddhist, like you. I just feel like I need some direction.
 
Thank you.

I still am very much Buddhist, like you. I just feel like I need some direction.
Interesting. How do you feel you need direction? Do you feel like worshiping a god will help?

It is well known that even the gods have to go through saṃsāra. Only we can save ourselves. And we are lucky that we live in the time of the Buddha’s teachings to show us the way.

“You yourselves must strive; the Buddhas only point the way. Those meditative ones who tread the path are released from the bonds of Mara.” – Dhammapada 276
 
I hope that you are able to find what is right for you. I commend you on your spiritual inquiry. My only advice is that you should not join something simply out of fear of the after life or fear of some sort of judgment. Join a religion that fits you and fills you spiritually. Find a religion that makes you happy in spirituality.
With all due respect and with all the charity I can muster, I could not disagree with this more.

This seems to imply to me that one “joins” a religion based on what “fits” them. This is not at all what Catholicism is about. Truth, is what should direct our choice. Of course our choice could ultimatley be in error, however we should use our God given facilities to the very best of our abilities to attempt to decide which (if any) religion best expressed this “Truth”.

Which faith journey lends the most credance? Which faith journey lends the most evidence (historic and spiritual)? Which faith journey, when explored makes the most sense? Which faith journey, when explored speaks to us as being True?

Please do not choose your faith based on feel good emotion or what fits your fancy. Catholicism, more so then all other faith journeys, warns against this. It sets it apart from all other faith journeys. It is not about “feel good”. It is about Love. Love at all costs. Love that will be rewarded NOT because we are looking for reward but because Love MUST be rewarded, it is self-rewarding. Love, is all there is. Love is sacrificial and often exceeding painful. It is not about feel good. It is about the nails that were driven through the hands of the most perfectly loving and innocent man oto ever walk the earth. For you.
 
With all due respect and with all the charity I can muster, I could not disagree with this more.

This seems to imply to me that one “joins” a religion based on what “fits” them. This is not at all what Catholicism is about. Truth, is what should direct our choice. Of course our choice could ultimatley be in error, however we should use our God given facilities to the very best of our abilities to attempt to decide which (if any) religion best expressed this “Truth”.

Which faith journey lends the most credance? Which faith journey lends the most evidence (historic and spiritual)? Which faith journey, when explored makes the most sense? Which faith journey, when explored speaks to us as being True?

Please do not choose your faith based on feel good emotion or what fits your fancy. Catholicism, more so then all other faith journeys, warns against this. It sets it apart from all other faith journeys. It is not about “feel good”. It is about Love. Love at all costs. Love that will be rewarded NOT because we are looking for reward but because Love MUST be rewarded, it is self-rewarding. Love, is all there is. Love is sacrificial and often exceeding painful. It is not about feel good. It is about the nails that were driven through the hands of the most perfectly loving and innocent man oto ever walk the earth. For you.
What if someone walks the path to find that Islam is the religion of God? Islam does mean “submission to God’s will.”

I believe that because two people can come to two different conclusions on such a huge issue, that there is no such thing as a universal religious “truth.” There are a lot of well practicing Muslims who sought God and found him in that religion also. There’s also a lot of Protestants, Hindus, Catholics. The question is the same “Which religion is truth?” Yet there are so many answers. How could this be? I think that truth in religion is something that changes from follower to follower. If it were a clear cut case of Truth versus error…wouldn’t everybody be with the clear religion of truth?

The fact is that if there were one clear religion of truth, everyone would be a member of it. Yet everyone disagrees. How is this? If there is one universal truth, surely all of the others are just trying to rebel from it? I hardly think so. There are many religious people dedicated to finding the truth also. They just came to a different answer.
 
With all due respect and with all the charity I can muster, I could not disagree with this more.

This seems to imply to me that one “joins” a religion based on what “fits” them. This is not at all what Catholicism is about. Truth, is what should direct our choice. Of course our choice could ultimatley be in error, however we should use our God given facilities to the very best of our abilities to attempt to decide which (if any) religion best expressed this “Truth”.

Which faith journey lends the most credance? Which faith journey lends the most evidence (historic and spiritual)? Which faith journey, when explored makes the most sense? Which faith journey, when explored speaks to us as being True?

Please do not choose your faith based on feel good emotion or what fits your fancy. Catholicism, more so then all other faith journeys, warns against this. It sets it apart from all other faith journeys. It is not about “feel good”. It is about Love. Love at all costs. Love that will be rewarded NOT because we are looking for reward but because Love MUST be rewarded, it is self-rewarding. Love, is all there is. Love is sacrificial and often exceeding painful. It is not about feel good. It is about the nails that were driven through the hands of the most perfectly loving and innocent man oto ever walk the earth. For you.
Personally, I think that truth, in the religious sense, is something that is relative to each person.

I’m not trying to debate but I would like to understand how you’ve come to this conclusion.

If there were a clear-cut religion of truth, wouldn’t everyone in the world be a member of it? As soon as it came out that the one religion of truth was here, I’d likely be a member of it.

I don’t see how truth, in the religious sense of the term, can be a definite thing. Everyone disagrees. Muslims say Islam is the truth. Catholics say Catholicism. Buddhists say Buddhism.

If this religious truth is just such an obvious thing, so definite and clear cut, then how is that the majority of the world has come to such different conclusions as to definitions of truth?

The answer, I think, is that truth, in the religious sense of the word, is relative. Not only is it relative but it is also relative to certain regions. Had you been born in India, Mijoy, you would likely say that Hinduism is truth. Had I been born in Russia, I would probably say that Eastern Orthodoxy or Atheism is truth.

I’m not trying to dissuade you from your religion. I’m religious too. I simply see it as personal preference though. The dhamma is the truth to me. I believe it is factual on all accounts. However, I recognize that someone else may disagree. I am okay with this. They just came to a different answer to the same question, “What is truth?”

This is why I say that the OP should pick the religion that fits him best. To me, truth is something that is relative. He/she should pick the best religion that fits him/her. Every religion claims truth, anyways. It’s not like one religion says “By the way, none of this is correct. You’d be better off in another religion.”
 
If I was theistic, it would be in more of a Hindu sense - one being manifesting in many ways. Buddhism has the same idea, that’s close, called “Dharmakaya”. The original nature and cause for everything, that is identical with the mind of the Buddha, and at the root, by extension, of every being. Everyone can reach Buddhahood.
Catholics believe in a personal God who is the Creator of all things, has always existed, has no beginning or end, is all powerful, all knowing, always present, who is loving, merciful, and just. I don’t think you can even consider Catholicism without believing in a personal God first.
This, I like.
Excellent. 🙂
I suppose, there is some case for that. Even Tibet was defended in the past…
You might also want to look at Hitler’s Germany, can you imagine if the Germans won? He needed to be stopped, and that could only happen with war unfortunately.
I was part of a crazy jesus-cult my father was part of…
The keyword here is “cult”, the Catholic Church is the one Jesus Christ founded. It is not a denomination it is the denomination, it’s not a branch, or a sect. Catholicism does not focus on one thing (i.e Baptists focus on baptism, Penecostals on Penecost, and although I don’t consider them Christian, Jehovah’s Witnesses focus on the oneness of God and rejecting the Holy Trinity).
just google “Brother R. Stair”.
I just did…
You can see why i’m sort of reluctant.
Yes I can. I totally can. On his Wikipedia page (I know I shouldn’t rely on Wikipedia for accurate facts but it’s just so easy and tempting haha) it says…
“Stair purchased a motel in Walterboro, South Carolina in 1978, and encouraged followers to move to the community, selling all their possessions, taking a vow of poverty, and donating all they own to Overcomer Ministries.”
Is this true? I understand why you’re reluctant, but please do not think Catholicism is like this. It’s absolutely not. Cult leaders are evil manipulators who use their twisted interpretation of the Bible to suit their agenda; this is not true Christianity as Christ intended.
By the way, I really do “dig” the idea of the church’s traditions being more important(er… probably not the right word) than the bible. Namely because, when I was in said group, the bible by itself seemed a bit dry. Anywho…
Tradition is not more important than the Bible, but as important. Fundamentalists forget the fact that the Bible did not just randomly appear out of the blue, but that the Catholic Church put it together. Actually, I think a lot of Protestants in general forget that.
 
Personally, I think that truth, in the religious sense, is something that is relative to each person.

I’m not trying to debate but I would like to understand how you’ve come to this conclusion.

If there were a clear-cut religion of truth, wouldn’t everyone in the world be a member of it? As soon as it came out that the one religion of truth was here, I’d likely be a member of it.

I don’t see how truth, in the religious sense of the term, can be a definite thing. Everyone disagrees. Muslims say Islam is the truth. Catholics say Catholicism. Buddhists say Buddhism.

If this religious truth is just such an obvious thing, so definite and clear cut, then how is that the majority of the world has come to such different conclusions as to definitions of truth?

The answer, I think, is that truth, in the religious sense of the word, is relative. Not only is it relative but it is also relative to certain regions. Had you been born in India, Mijoy, you would likely say that Hinduism is truth. Had I been born in Russia, I would probably say that Eastern Orthodoxy or Atheism is truth.

I’m not trying to dissuade you from your religion. I’m religious too. I simply see it as personal preference though. The dhamma is the truth to me. I believe it is factual on all accounts. However, I recognize that someone else may disagree. I am okay with this. They just came to a different answer to the same question, “What is truth?”

This is why I say that the OP should pick the religion that fits him best. To me, truth is something that is relative. He/she should pick the best religion that fits him/her. Every religion claims truth, anyways. It’s not like one religion says “By the way, none of this is correct. You’d be better off in another religion.”
I appreciate you comments.

I would begin to respond by suggesting that “truth” cannot, by deifnition, be as you suggest.
"…I think that truth, in the religious sense, is something that is relative to each person. "

Truth, by definition cannot be relative. How can it be? For example, Jesus Christ either was or was not God incarnate. He either did or did not die on the cross for all of humanity.

I either had eggs for breakfast this morning or I did not (I did by the way). This is true, it cannot be relative. If someone were to say I had froot loops, this would not be true.

The fact that there are differing interpretations of Truth, does not in any way imply they are all correct. In fact, there are only two potential options (logically speaking). Either all are wrong, or all but one is wrong. But certainly not more then one can be correct.

Maybe I am minumizing your point. But this, to me seems quite clear. Relativism and truth are incompatible in deed.

Are they not?

You said – "The answer, I think, is that truth, in the religious sense of the word, is relative. Not only is it relative but it is also relative to certain regions. Had you been born in India, Mijoy, you would likely say that Hinduism is truth. Had I been born in Russia, I would probably say that Eastern Orthodoxy or Atheism is truth. "

My answer is yes, in deed. I may in fact hold that one of the above, based on my life expereince is true. I now say Catholicism is true. May I be incorrect, well logically speaking of course I could be. However, after much contimplation I believe I am not incorrect. Of one thing I am certain, more then one of the above cannot be true if they are opposing views. Which they are. Atheism and Christianity cannot both be true. This would the same as saying 1+1 is both 2 and 3. This is intellectually obvious I believe. It is up to us, to the best of our ability to conclude whether 1 + 1 is 2 or 3 or something else. What we cannot hold dear is that it is both; without be intellectually dishonest with ourselves.
 
With my failing math grades, i wonder what is my calling in life?
Can Christ help me find it?
Failing math grades…

You are clearly meant to be a writer and an English teacher. 😉

We mathematically challenged have brains, too…they just don’t like staying in a calculated box. Not a problem, though. Some blessed soul invented the calculator, so it’s all…very, very good. 🙂
 
Failing math grades…

You are clearly meant to be a writer and an English teacher. 😉

We mathematically challenged have brains, too…they just don’t like staying in a calculated box. Not a problem, though. Some blessed soul invented the calculator, so it’s all…very, very good. 🙂
Dianaiad - I have often wondered, with your quick wit and talent at the keyboard, if you are a writer yourself.😉

Failing math grades…sounds like sooo many people I know that are very gifted in the area of communication and in helping others (teachers, social workers…)
 
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