Comparison of Toltec Teaching and Other Teaching

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so Tanith, what are the points you wanted to compare between Toltec and other teachings here.
 
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Tanith:
He might not do it consciously. He is one of great fiction writers. And I am interested to read also CS Lewis’ Narnia. I heard they were friends.
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Very close friends. I have read some of C.S. Lewis -Mere Christiany, The Great Divorce, and the Screwtape Letters. The Screwtapes letters are particularly interesting. I’ve been meaning to read the Narnia series. There’s a book club discussion on this forum right now. You may be interested in checking that out.
 
That’s a good question, Cyber. Here, I have given a brief explanation of Toltec Teaching (although I still need to learn a lot). I would be grateful if you can say, from your faith point of view, which are different and which are the same. By that, we can benefit much.
 
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Very close friends. I have read some of C.S. Lewis -Mere Christiany, The Great Divorce, and the Screwtape Letters. The Screwtapes letters are particularly interesting. I’ve been meaning to read the Narnia series. There’s a book club discussion on this forum right now. You may be interested in checking that out.
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sorry to ask… what are they doing in book club forum? books discussion…?
 
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Tanith:
First of all, thank yoiu for your kind interest. Toltec Teaching is simple yet powerful. It uncovers the misconception we get all our life. From childhood, we are ‘domesticated’ by our surrounding. The domestication is so strong and for a long time, that we adopt it without realizing that. This domestication makes it impossible for us to see clearly what is real and important. Like in the case of religion. The domestication leads into fanatic belief. Into killing, into harming. This is not correct. Actually, we are God. God is everywhere and in you and me. If you see me, you cannot see yourself in me. That’s because there’s mitote (fog) that makes you unable to see the essense of me, which is the same as you. The same things happen to me. I cannot see myself in you. Only after we can get rid of the mitote, we can see what is real, and realize life is beautiful. I hope this explanation is not very confusing for you.
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This is interesting, but I don’t really see a reason to believe it. Basically, you’re saying everything is everything else. No offense, but that is nonsense to me. Why should I believe that the things I perceive to be separate are not separate? At least with Christianity, we have what we believe to be the revelation of God. This just seems to be a man-made philosophy being taught as truth without support. I’m not saying it’s stupid or anything, just that there’s nothing here to suggest to me I should believe it.
 
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Tanith:
. Here, I have given a brief explanation of Toltec Teaching (although I still need to learn a lot). I would be grateful if you can say, from your faith point of view, which are different and which are the same. By that, we can benefit much.
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Ah, I apologize if my earlier post seemed a little harsh. I see now that you’re just looking for a comparison; as it was, I wasn’t sure your reason for posting. (Should have actually read the title of the thread.) Basically, as far as I can see, there aren’t many similarities between Toltec teaching and Catholicism. Catholicism teaches that we are most definitely not God. While we are connected to other people, we are not those other people. God is omnipresent, but that is not to say that he is “in” things in the way that you would mean it.
 
I just realize one thing Rayne. You are wrong when saying that Wicca only 50 years old. It was derived from Ancient teaching (that’s why I mention Paganism), older than Christianity or Islam.

I am reflecting to that too. But Kristina, it doesn’t mean it’s IMPOSSIBLE. If you believe God is omnipresent and everywhere, then the things I say doesn’t contradict to what you believe. Actually, in every manifestation of life, God exists. About belief, may be I should ask you, what is a reason to believe and what is not? Is there any truth with support in any religion?But do you agree with the concept of ‘Domestication’?
 
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This is interesting, but I don’t really see a reason to believe it. Basically, you’re saying everything is everything else. No offense, but that is nonsense to me. Why should I believe that the things I perceive to be separate are not separate? At least with Christianity, we have what we believe to be the revelation of God. This just seems to be a man-made philosophy being taught as truth without support. I’m not saying it’s stupid or anything, just that there’s nothing here to suggest to me I should believe it.
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Quite interesting while catholic fellows here ‘respect’ the muslims, here I see something different with dhimmi wiccan.

Tanith, tell me more about wiccan thing.Would be interesting to know. I am tired with all the religious teachings
 
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I just realize one thing Rayne. You are wrong when saying that Wicca only 50 years old. It was derived from Ancient teaching (that’s why I mention Paganism), older than Christianity or Islam.

I am reflecting to that too. But Kristina, it doesn’t mean it’s IMPOSSIBLE. If you believe God is omnipresent and everywhere, then the things I say doesn’t contradict to what you believe. Actually, in every manifestation of life, God exists. About belief, may be I should ask you, what is a reason to believe and what is not? Is there any truth with support in any religion?But do you agree with the concept of ‘Domestication’?
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Again, I apologize for attacking your beliefs. It wasn’t really intentional. I’ve just spent too long recently debating some atheists who need a proof for everything, and I brought that mentality with me to this forum. For me, reasons to believe would include relevance to my life, historical support, personal experience, etc. The Toltec teachings as you describe them seem to be more of a philosophy than a religion. I am a religious person, and a non-religious philosophy of life does not appeal to me, especially if it directly contradicts the faith I have come to believe in. (Despite your claim that the Toltec teachings don’t contradict Catholicism, the phrase “I am God” is a direct contradiction of the most basic tenets of Catholicism.)

As for the concept of Domestication: As far as I understand from what you described, no, I don’t agree with it. I don’t think that there’s a fog hiding the true nature of reality from us. The Bible tells us that the heavens declare the glory of God and that this is visible to all. We are held accountable, in part, on the basis of the clarity of creation as it is revealed.
 
Basically, it will contradict your belief, Cyber, because we don’t believe in only ONE God. I myself used to be a follower of Isis.
 
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I just realize one thing Rayne. You are wrong when saying that Wicca only 50 years old. It was derived from Ancient teaching (that’s why I mention Paganism), older than Christianity or Islam.
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That’s why I posted the links. Wicca may have adapted some ideas from ancient paganism but it is not the same religion practiced in ancient times. Much of the “teachings” are a modern creation.

Jehovah’s Witnesses founder Charles Taze Russell has roots in the Seventh-Day Adventists but Seventh-Day Adventists and Jehovah’s Witnesses are not the same religion. That’s why I said it’s important to study the history of your faith practice.
 
Kristina, I don’t feel offended at all. But actually, I notice that sadly, you are domesticated too. You are born and raised as a Catholic (probably) and you live as a Catholic, live around Catholic people. And of course, you are not prepared to accept a very DIFFERENT notion than your dogma.
 
Rayne, if WE follow the practice of ancient times, like the case of many religion (including Catholic), does it mean that it’s something new? It might be more accurate if I say that Wicca is adapted from Paganism (in ancient time). But Wicca will not be here without Paganism, so the history should be link to the existense of Paganism.
 
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Kristina, I don’t feel offended at all. But actually, I notice that sadly, you are domesticated too. You are born and raised as a Catholic (probably) and you live as a Catholic, live around Catholic people. And of course, you are not prepared to accept a very DIFFERENT notion than your dogma.
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Yes us Catholics all live in a Catholic bubble and are mindless brainwashed.:rolleyes:
 
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Tanith:
Rayne, if WE follow the practice of ancient times, like the case of many religion (including Catholic), does it mean that it’s something new? It might be more accurate if I say that Wicca is adapted from Paganism (in ancient time). But Wicca will not be here without Paganism, so the history should be link to the existense of Paganism.
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And Catholicism wouldn’t be here with Judaism but I certainly can’t claim to be Jewish.
 
Rayne, that’s simple because you have something new, something beautiful named Jesus, which is not included in Judaism. So the story is different. And sorry if you are offended by my comment for Kristine
 
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Tanith:
Basically, it will contradict your belief, Cyber, because we don’t believe in only ONE God. I myself used to be a follower of Isis.
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You were a follower of Isis?.. Crikey… and what are you following right at moment? 😉
 
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rayne89:
Yes us Catholics all live in a Catholic bubble and are mindless brainwashed.:rolleyes:
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LOL… I couldnt say more about it. Yes brainwashed!! 😦
 
Not anything at the moment, but I stick to my Toltec Belief, Cyber
 
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Not anything at the moment, but I stick to my Toltec Belief, Cyber
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Then you are a follower of either Carlos Castaneda (the creator of ‘Toltec Teaching’) or of Miguel Ruiz (also known as the poor man’s Carlos Castaneda because his workshops, etc are less expensive). To say that you stick to a certain belief system, yet follow no one or nothing is an oxymoron.
 
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