Computer Sin?

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This may sound like a strange subject but I have thinking about it lately. One of my hobbies is working with Computers. In the last few months I have been using Linux instead of MS Windows. Most Linux variants are free to download and install on your Computer and to use instead of Windows. I happen to use a Linux version called Ubuntu. The problem isn’t with Linux but some of the things one should install; this is optional, though not necessary but in order to view some online media formats(MP3, WMV, etc) and listen and watch to CD’s and commercial DVD’s one must download and install certain multi-media “codecs”(software) for free. However according to U.S. law doing so is illegal for U.S. Citizens because it infringes on IP(Intellectual Property Rights and patent infringements) in certain other countries doing this is not illegal. Using MS Windows or the Mac OS is perfectly legal. If I don’t want to break U.S. Law I can still use Linux but unless I break the law (technically speaking) then I would not be able to listen to commercial CD’s or watch commercial DVD’s or access most multi-media (MP3 and video) on the Internet. My question is if I use Linux with these “illegally used Codec Software” is it a Sin or even Mortal Sin?
 
Yes, technically it is a sin. IMO only a small one though… nothing approaching mortal sin.
 
If it is illegal to download the codecs, is there a website where you can purchase the codecs?
 
“My question is if I use Linux with these “illegally used Codec Software” is it a Sin or even Mortal Sin?”

Check to see if their are any Codec translators for U Linux. If their are problem solved if not then, find the Codec S/W Co. and send them a PayPal. If you can not find S/W Co. then you did your honest best.
 
“My question is if I use Linux with these “illegally used Codec Software” is it a Sin or even Mortal Sin?”

Check to see if their are any Codec translators for U Linux. If their are problem solved if not then, find the Codec S/W Co. and send them a PayPal. If you can not find S/W Co. then you did your honest best.
There are no “software” companies to pay for these. They are in what are called Linux repositories which are uploaded to by the Linux community, for example, Ubuntu has their repositories, Debian Linux has theirs etc. Linux Devs are volunteers for the most part who do Linux as a hobby, some are pros some are not. Take MP3 and DVD playback codecs, these are usually reverse engineered or “hacked” as some would put it. The DVD Codecs for example are built and “reverse engineered” to “decrypt” encrypted commercial DVD’s. In the U.S. this is considered illegal .
 
What I wonder is whether violating newer copyright laws is necessarily sinful. I’m not talking about those who pirate copies to sell, but individuals who make a copy or two of a CD for a friend without making money from it. In the 70’s, nobody thought twice about dubbing a record onto a cassette, and dual cassette players that were designed for copying were very common in the 80’s. Now with the ability to burn CD’s, DVD’s, and download music, it is suddenly illegal and sinful. Is this just because of the better quality? Until I first heard a CD, I never thought that cassettes were that bad.
 
My understanding is… If your not doing it for profit (only for yourself) then it is not illegal. Just like making a backup of any commercial DVD you OWN outright is not illegal at this time, so it should not be a sin, at least not a mortal sin.🤷

If making a backup copy of DVD movies I bought and paid for is a sin, then I am in one heck of position with well over a 100 of them.:eek:
 
Hello,
This may sound like a strange subject but I have thinking about it lately. One of my hobbies is working with Computers. In the last few months I have been using Linux instead of MS Windows. Most Linux variants are free to download and install on your Computer and to use instead of Windows. I happen to use a Linux version called Ubuntu. The problem isn’t with Linux but some of the things one should install; this is optional, though not necessary but in order to view some online media formats(MP3, WMV, etc) and listen and watch to CD’s and commercial DVD’s one must download and install certain multi-media “codecs”(software) for free. However according to U.S. law doing so is illegal for U.S. Citizens because it infringes on IP(Intellectual Property Rights and patent infringements) in certain other countries doing this is not illegal. Using MS Windows or the Mac OS is perfectly legal. If I don’t want to break U.S. Law I can still use Linux but unless I break the law (technically speaking) then I would not be able to listen to commercial CD’s or watch commercial DVD’s or access most multi-media (MP3 and video) on the Internet. My question is if I use Linux with these “illegally used Codec Software” is it a Sin or even Mortal Sin?
Let’s understand some computers terms first. A codec (short for compressor/decompressor) is a piece of software that compresses raw data into a specific format and decompresses from a specific format to a data stream the computer can use.

It is the format itself that is patented/copyright (I’m not positive which protection it comes under). The codec is also, but other codecs can be created via reverse engineering (not illegal AFAIK).

There are proprietary formats (mp3, wav, etc.) and there are open formats (ogg, flac, etc.). It is only in the area of proprietary formats that there is issue. And the issue is not with decoding the data, but with encoding it. So if you get an mp3 from the internet (assuming you acquire the file it legally), then it is not illegal to use that file. But, if you rip a CD (more on this in a second), if you want to encode it (that is compress it and save it in a specific format) as a mp3, then you technically have to pay a royalty to the company that holds that patent (I have heard that there is more than one company).

Also, Microsoft does NOT hold the patents to the mp3 format - though they do hold them for their file formats: wav, wmv, wma, etc. (basically if it is designed for Windows Media Player, then they probably developed it and hold the patent). But, they do hold the patents for the codecs that are used for these media types on Windows. But there is more than one way to create a codec and Microsofts way doesn’t mean someone else can’t find some other way to do the same thing (you’ll find this is true in any patented product).

Now, as for audio CD’s. There are two issues. The first is the format of the data. CD’s use the CDDA format. It is an IEC standard - that means that no one owns the rights to the format in the sense of Windows owning the wav format. What’s left is the codecs which as I said above there is more than one way to create them. The other issue is the data itself. That is owned by the artist and/or the artist’s recording company. Now, according to U.S. copyright law, if you pay for the CD you are entitled to the fair use of it. Now there is a bit of a war going on right now on just what fair use entails, but most would agree that it includes your personal use to listen to and to make a backup copy for yourself. And this same (for both issues) applies for DVD.

If you have any other questions - such as specific open source formats (an interesting topic) - please feel free to ask.
 
What I wonder is whether violating newer copyright laws is necessarily sinful. I’m not talking about those who pirate copies to sell, but individuals who make a copy or two of a CD for a friend without making money from it. In the 70’s, nobody thought twice about dubbing a record onto a cassette, and dual cassette players that were designed for copying were very common in the 80’s. Now with the ability to burn CD’s, DVD’s, and download music, it is suddenly illegal and sinful…
Copyright law hasn’t changed on this at all - it’s still considered fair use to copy limited amounts of a recording for a couple of friends, and it’s perfectly legal to make a backup copy of the entire disk for your own use.

Giving a copy of the whole disk to a friend who didn’t pay for it is NOT fair use and has NEVER been, but the older technologies limited how much of it went on at the same time as they made it difficult to catch people at it.

Today the same technologies that make it possible for you to let a million people illegally copy intellectual property also make it easier to catch you at it - so there’s more profit being stolen from the rightful owners at the same time that it’s more possible to do something about it. THAT’S why you hear about legal action more today than in the past.

The only thing that’s changed is the technology - the principles of intellectual property rights haven’t changed.
 
…So if you get an mp3 from the internet (assuming you acquire the file it legally), then it is not illegal to use that file. But, if you rip a CD (more on this in a second), if you want to encode it (that is compress it and save it in a specific format) as a mp3, then you technically have to pay a royalty to the company that holds that patent…
Thanks for the info.

Let me see if I’ve got this. Suppose I get a raw data file of an entire disk (written by Artist A), maybe I’ve run an analog signal from a mic through an A-D converter, and I compress it using a codex (developed and patented by company B) into a format (developed and patented by Company C). I now owe royalties to the artist for his music, Company B for the use of the codex (depending on the details of the agreement under which I got the code), and Company C for the use of their format. Is this about right?
 
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Thanks for the info.

Let me see if I’ve got this. Suppose I get a raw data file of an entire disk (written by Artist A), maybe I’ve run an analog signal from a mic through an A-D converter, and I compress it using a codex (developed and patented by company B) into a format (developed and patented by Company C). I now owe royalties to the artist for his music, Company B for the use of the codex (depending on the details of the agreement under which I got the code), and Company C for the use of their format. Is this about right?
If all three require it, then yes. That’s the hitch - each of those three sources, depending on their licensing, could demand payment:

A) never
B) one time upon purchase
C) every time you use their product
D) both B&C
E) other

Or you could use an open source codec and format and only have to worry about the artist (or write your own music and be free and clear all together 😉 ).
 
Hello,

Some important notes:

There are several groups who claim to own ownership of mp3 patents (is this still in the courts or decided?). Among the most vocal, AFAIK, is Thomson Consumer Electronics. There are others in the mix. But Thomson claims licensing rights in, among other countries, the United States. They have decided to charge for developers to use and/or create mp3 codecs and software. I am not sure if this is in the courts or is headed there. But, some are being pro-active about this. Red Hat refuses to distribute any mp3 codecs, software, etc. This affects the software developers, and not directly the end-user (though the indirect effect is evident). For the end-user Thomson claims:

However, no license is needed for private, non-commercial activities (e.g., home-entertainment, receiving broadcasts and creating a personal music library), not generating revenue or other consideration of any kind or for entities with associated annual gross revenue less than US$ 100 000.00.

You can read about this here:
mp3licensing.com/

Of course, the answer to this is open source formats. The most competitive to mp3 is ogg by Vorbis.
 
However according to U.S. law doing so is illegal for U.S. Citizens because it infringes on IP(Intellectual Property Rights and patent infringements) ?
Patent law restricts the use of patented inventions for commercial purposes. You can not make and sell an item that is patented. If you are using this patented IP on your computer to create products for sale or in your business you are infringing. For example, if it were a software design tool and you were a programmer or software creator or consultant it would be illegal. The purpose of the law is to give inventors a chance to profit from their inventions. If you are not competing in the marketplace with the inventor or owner of the patent then you are not infringing. Copyright law s different. You may not copy a copyrighted sheet of music and pass it around to the congregation for singing on Sunday for example.
 
and this has what to do with liturgy?
if you want to review many discussions on the morality of computer downloads, search the morality forum
 
Here is a quote from a thread on the ubuntu forums:
Those codecs are not licenced for redistribution. In that respect, they are stolen. They are free of charge, in general, but there are term to their redistribution that are not compatible with free-libre software.
That’s why some distributions distribute them and others don’t. Some pay the owners of the codec the licencing fees. Ubuntu follows the Debian Free Software Guidelines - Ubuntu will never distribute those codecs unless they are licenced in a way which is compatible with the DFSG.
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=138592
 
This is an interesting topic that I feel warrants a bump, despite being around three months old now.

Audio CD’s are completely legal to play under Linux, and I’ve never heard of any distribution restricting them. MP3’s are generally not an issue for home users, and sites like Fluendo offer a free MP3 decoder. As for other file formats, I think it depends where the codec is from. w32codecs was allegedly copied directly from Microsoft DLL’s and so would be considered copyright infringement, but ffmpeg seems to be original, and only patent issues would arise. However, according to FFmpeg’s website:

Some of the technology in FFmpeg is covered by software patents. Most countries do not recognise software patents, the notable exception being the USA. Check out this video.
If you use FFmpeg for commercial purposes in a country that does recognise software patents you are exposing yourself to the risk of litigation. Here is what FFmpeg have to say on the matter.
However, if you are a private user using FFmpeg for your own personal purposes, then there is nothing to worry about.
If you are using OpenPackage Video in a commercial manner in a country that recognises software patents, we recommend you outsource the transcoding to us. This frees you from the risk of litigation and also offers the advantage of not having to worry about FFmpeg maxing out your web server. Also, it is not usually possible to have FFmpeg installed in a basic web hosting package.
(Source: openpackage.biz/ffmpeg )

Most of the codec patents are licensed by MPEG-LA, which has a variable pricing scheme, but the standard for a player seems to be $0.25 for MPEG-4 and $2.50 for MPEG-2 (DVD). On the other hand, their plans (at least for some codecs) are free under a certain number of decoders. Whatever, the case, they do not accept direct payments.

One site, Fluendo ( fluendo.com ) sells various legal codecs (the complete package is about $40). Whether or not you need to buy these in light of what is written above I do not know. Whatever the case, Fluendo’s codecs are for the gstreamer audio engine, which is not supported by all Linux applications, mainly GNOME ones it seems (Rhythmbox, etc.)

And for DVD’s - this is a different matter. The real issue in the U.S. is with something called the DMCA, which forbade circumvention of various copy protection measures, such as those found on encrypted DVD’s. libdvdcss is used to decrypt such DVD’s. There has been to date (as far as I know) no legal action against libdvdcss, though there was against an older method (libdecss). I really don’t think there’s much of a moral issue in using libdvdcss, however, even if illegal, because you’re really not violating the spirit of the law, which is to not illegally copy discs (I think…don’t take my word alone for it).
 
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